From what I understand, Stan’s pissed because Jonnie ISN’T letting Stan enter the competition, despite Stan asking to be a part of it. I mean, I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t let him join other than the fact that they’re scared they’ll lose.
I’m also fairly certain that Stan is doing a raw meet on Sept 19th, so I guess we’ll see what he totals there.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
From what I understand, Stan’s pissed because Jonnie ISN’T letting Stan enter the competition, despite Stan asking to be a part of it. I mean, I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t let him join other than the fact that they’re scared they’ll lose.
I’m also fairly certain that Stan is doing a raw meet on Sept 19th, so I guess we’ll see what he totals there.[/quote]
Yeah, so in essence he’s in the competition no matter what Jackson and White say 
Edit: Your avatar is so weird lol
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
anonym wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
anonym wrote:
A partial description of the DVD reads:
“Mitsuru Okabe once again films Ronnie Coleman, this time in August 2003 during his off-season preparations for the 2003 IFBB Mr. Olympia.”
The fact that his “off season” is still going on in August when the O is in September should tell you guys something…
The '03 Olympia was held October 25th. Still in-season… They usually start their diet 3 months out and switch to pre-contest routines if applicable. (such as in Ronnie’s case).
Though it explains how he can still do heavy doubles and such without messing himself up.
http://www.ifbb.com/reports/2003olympiaprize.html
Mr. Olympia brings home a little more cash than I thought… I wonder what it’s at now. Depends on the supp industry etc, probably…
Makes me curious about this years’ O again.
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its 600,000 total prize money
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
From what I understand, Stan’s pissed because Jonnie ISN’T letting Stan enter the competition, despite Stan asking to be a part of it. I mean, I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t let him join other than the fact that they’re scared they’ll lose.
I’m also fairly certain that Stan is doing a raw meet on Sept 19th, so I guess we’ll see what he totals there.
Yeah, so in essence he’s in the competition no matter what Jackson and White say
Edit: Your avatar is so weird lol
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Ultimately, yes. LOL
Edit: Your avatar sucks. 
Why are all the bbers so butthurt?
Uhhh…August 6th to October 25th is 12 weeks out of the O that year…not 2 as was suggested earlier.
And no one who knows anything about Ronnie is really going to say that he was dieting hard at 12 weeks out. Guy was a mutant who rarely got over the low teen’s in bodyfat. Judging by the video of Stan…he could easily be about the same distance from competition now. All I’m saying is when the vids of Ronnie were filmed is irrelevant because it was not days out of competition as suggested.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Uhhh…August 6th to October 25th is 12 weeks out of the O that year…not 2 as was suggested earlier.
And no one who knows anything about Ronnie is really going to say that he was dieting hard at 12 weeks out. Guy was a mutant who rarely got over the low teen’s in bodyfat. Judging by the video of Stan…he could easily be about the same distance from competition now. All I’m saying is when the vids of Ronnie were filmed is irrelevant because it was not days out of competition as suggested.
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Gee, 12 weeks is standard prep for a contest. What the hell are you talking about? Who the fuck said he was DAYS out? He would be an idiot to try to break personal records DAYS out from a contest.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Why does he drag Ronnie into it? If Ronnie trained for and competed in powerlifting I bet he would have much better lifts than all three He may have more potential for absolute strength, yes, but in Powerlifting, weight-classes do matter. Little Chance of Ronnie beating Efferding or Jackson, but I bet he could grease White. . Actually he might have better lifts that were not videotaped. Who knows? Of course he couldn’t have won 8 Olympias doing that. If Johnnie only trained for powerlifting he would probably be one of the best in his class. I don’t think Stan gets the spirit of it. None the less, next year any IFBB pro who competes in a show in the calendar year can compete in this. He can compete in the Ironman and get that out of the way early with a DNP and then try to win.
I’m sure there are some lesser known pros who are insanely strong and will be coming out of the woodwork to try and win this, especially if there is no weight class. As it is, I think White and Jackson are pretty close in weight ? What does white usually weigh? and if they somehow hit their “goals” of a 700 raw bench and 900 raw deadlift, respectively, it would be fucking awesome for bodybuilding.
Hey, Hoornstra (bodybuilder, competes in PL at 242) benched 715 raw in the gym and I think 675 by now in competition (raw again. previously got 615 but I’m not sure if he has benched in a comp again since then) ?
If he could just get his squat and dl up to similarly impressive levels… One beast of a “small” guy though, in any event
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I was thinking about weight classes. JOJ has been seen lifting huge weights close to contest weight and White didn’t look all blown out in his lifting videos so I was thinking they would probably try to stay in a weight class around 250-260. So I wasn’t really thinking weight classes with all of these guys.
I mean they all might be in different classes in reality. Jackson competes in the mid 250’s and walks around somewhere near 275. That’s where he’s competed most recently in PL. White used to compete in bench contests close to 300 but I think he competes in BB in the high 250s, close to Jackson, and he doesn’t get really huge in the offseason, just like Jackson, so I assume they are close.
As for the weights, Jackson said he is aiming for a 900 raw deadlift(yeah right) and White said he is aiming for a 700 raw bench(yeah right). I was just saying if that shit did happen, at the Olympia, it would be electric.
I doubt Ronnie wants anything to do with PL at this point. For him there’s no use in beating up his body at his age unless it’s really his passion, and I don’t think it is.
This is a grudge match between two competetive pro bodybuilders. I think it can safely be said that as far as anyone knows Stan is the strongest pro bodybuilder, period, but could not compete in pro bb. We will see if Jackson and White can hang in PL on a big stage.
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Pretzel Logic wrote:
Why does he drag Ronnie into it? If Ronnie trained for and competed in powerlifting I bet he would have much better lifts than all three He may have more potential for absolute strength, yes, but in Powerlifting, weight-classes do matter. Little Chance of Ronnie beating Efferding or Jackson, but I bet he could grease White. . Actually he might have better lifts that were not videotaped. Who knows? Of course he couldn’t have won 8 Olympias doing that. If Johnnie only trained for powerlifting he would probably be one of the best in his class. I don’t think Stan gets the spirit of it. None the less, next year any IFBB pro who competes in a show in the calendar year can compete in this. He can compete in the Ironman and get that out of the way early with a DNP and then try to win.
I’m sure there are some lesser known pros who are insanely strong and will be coming out of the woodwork to try and win this, especially if there is no weight class. As it is, I think White and Jackson are pretty close in weight ? What does white usually weigh? and if they somehow hit their “goals” of a 700 raw bench and 900 raw deadlift, respectively, it would be fucking awesome for bodybuilding.
Hey, Hoornstra (bodybuilder, competes in PL at 242) benched 715 raw in the gym and I think 675 by now in competition (raw again. previously got 615 but I’m not sure if he has benched in a comp again since then) ?
If he could just get his squat and dl up to similarly impressive levels… One beast of a “small” guy though, in any event
I was thinking about weight classes. JOJ has been seen lifting huge weights close to contest weight and White didn’t look all blown out in his lifting videos so I was thinking they would probably try to stay in a weight class around 250-260. So I wasn’t really thinking weight classes with all of these guys. I mean they all might be in different classes in reality. Jackson competes in the mid 250’s[/quote] Sure? He’s fairly short… And he did his best DL’s at 220 and 242, right? Then again, maybe he got bigger… But I somehow doubt that he’s 250+ in contest shape. [quote] and walks around somewhere near 275[/quote] I think that’s the biggest he ever got off-season or so, but maybe my info is outdated. [quote]. That’s where he’s competed most recently in PL[/quote] Seriously? 275? [quote]. White used to compete in bench contests close to 300 but I think he competes in BB in the high 250s, close to Jackson, and he doesn’t get really huge in the offseason, just like Jackson, so I assume they are close.
As for the weights, Jackson said he is aiming for a 900 raw deadlift(yeah right)[/quote] Bit worried about Johnnie missing attempts… Maybe it’s just me, but he does seem to miss often. And 900 lbs… Must have gotten a lot stronger recently. [quote] and White said he is aiming for a 700 raw bench(yeah right)[/quote] Well… Not sure. If he comes in at 300, maybe… He sure is a good bencher. He’ll get 600+ at least unless something goes wrong. [quote]. I was just saying if that shit did happen, at the Olympia, it would be electric.
I doubt Ronnie wants anything to do with PL at this point. For him there’s no use in beating up his body at his age unless it’s really his passion, and I don’t think it is. [/quote] Fairly certain that he’ll keep lifting heavy though (of course not PL specific). As opposed to some, he really does seem to love lifting for the sake of lifting. [quote]
This is a grudge match between two competetive pro bodybuilders. I think it can safely be said that as far as anyone knows Stan is the strongest pro bodybuilder, period, but could not compete in pro bb. We will see if Jackson and White can hang in PL on a big stage. [/quote] Jackson’s bench is just too bad, no idea about his squat. But he could do some damage at the 220’s and 242’s perhaps… I can’t imagine him doing well at the 275 and up (his DL ability is great and all, but there are 3 powerlifts, not just one) unless he actually starts training specifically for powerlifting.
I remember hearing JOJ wanted to do a full PL meet, but Ben White would only do a push/pull (although Ben would probably just rather make it a bench press contest).
As for Stan needing the money, apparently he does pretty well for himself (see the watch he gave Flex in the 2nd video link), and I think he just wants to compete, but yeah he didn’t really need to bring Ronnie into this (although I doubt he is trying to “call” Ronnie out, rather make some noise in hopes of them letting him compete).
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
If the spotters have nothing to do with it, then why bring it up in the first place?
I seem to remember reading that “Cost of Redemption” was filmed during Ronnie’s off-season in 2003.
I’m also fairly certain that Ronnie never got “severely depleted” getting ready for a show, the guy ate a quart of KC Masterpiece on his chicken a day until the week before his shows. You aren’t talking about a normal human being here.
No one ever implied that Ronnie didn’t get stronger, that’s something that you guys invented. People throw around those videos of Ronnie as some sort of undeniable proof that he’s the strongest human ever. Don’t give me this shit about “best form for bodybuilding rather than maximal poundages”…he was wearing a fucking squat suit.[/quote]
Even if he’s wearing a squat suit, you have to consider the stroke of the lift, knee position, bar position…etc. He squats with the bar high on the shoulders, hips farther forward as well as knees. All of those things reduce the leverage making it harder to push the weight. Many powerlifters squat with perpendicular shins, wide stance and very low bar (like a modified good morning). I’m sure you know this is for maximum leverage rather than leg power.
Think it will be a push pull.
If the benches are done no lockout BB style and from a heave it will be a tie for last, but Johnnie has experience benching raw in a meet.
My money is on Johnnie.
Not gonna be close.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
If the spotters have nothing to do with it, then why bring it up in the first place?
I seem to remember reading that “Cost of Redemption” was filmed during Ronnie’s off-season in 2003.
I’m also fairly certain that Ronnie never got “severely depleted” getting ready for a show, the guy ate a quart of KC Masterpiece on his chicken a day until the week before his shows. You aren’t talking about a normal human being here.
No one ever implied that Ronnie didn’t get stronger, that’s something that you guys invented. People throw around those videos of Ronnie as some sort of undeniable proof that he’s the strongest human ever. Don’t give me this shit about “best form for bodybuilding rather than maximal poundages”…he was wearing a fucking squat suit.
Even if he’s wearing a squat suit, you have to consider the stroke of the lift, knee position, bar position…etc. He squats with the bar high on the shoulders, hips farther forward as well as knees. All of those things reduce the leverage making it harder to push the weight. Many powerlifters squat with perpendicular shins, wide stance and very low bar (like a modified good morning). I’m sure you know this is for maximum leverage rather than leg power.
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Yeah, most powerlifters in America. Go to the rest of the world and see how many of the IPF guys squat exactly the way Ronnie does. Get your facts straight first, because there are several guys who have squatted 900+ in similar gear to what Ronnie’s wearing with a similar stance. As far as Efferding’s depth, technically his 800x2 was deeper than Ronnie’s.
Professor X…so if the average bodybuilding diet is 12 weeks (let’s just assume that Ronnie is the “average bodybuilder” for the sake of simplicity), and those videos of him were from 12 weeks out, then he would have been dieting for less than 7 days…and this is somehow equivalent to him being “severely depleted” and two weeks out? You stated first that he was 2 weeks out from the Olympia and then you stated that he was “WEEKS” out from the Olympia, when in reality, he was MONTHS out from the Olympia.
I can understand you guys having admiration for Big Nasty, but stop making excuses for why some other pro happens to be stronger than he was in one of his videos. It’s kind of sad when you think about it.
You never know with these guys and bodyweight once they turn pro, but I’m kinda guessing based on what they say they weigh and what they have for sure weighed in the past and how they look compared to others. Jackson might actually compete in BB closer to high 230’s, but he can swing wildly in his conditioning and thus weight. I checked the powerlifting site against what it says on his website in his most recent comp and he has the record for DL at 125kg class. So I tend to believe the rest. On his site he has competed twice at 242 and once at 220, 259, and 275.
I don’t think either can compete with each others specialty but it seems like Johhnie has a pretty good bench and no one knows about Ben’s DL. I was reading a bunch of stuff, but can’t find all of it now. I think JOJ squatted and deadlifted over 800 in the same meet and benched over 500 at another. I also think he totalled over 2000 at 220lb and over 2100 at 242lb.
[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
I remember hearing JOJ wanted to do a full PL meet, but Ben White would only do a push/pull (although Ben would probably just rather make it a bench press contest).
As for Stan needing the money, apparently he does pretty well for himself (see the watch he gave Flex in the 2nd video link), and I think he just wants to compete, but yeah he didn’t really need to bring Ronnie into this (although I doubt he is trying to “call” Ronnie out, rather make some noise in hopes of them letting him compete).
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Money probably not a problem-a platinum rolex like that can be 50K or more!
Flex also said in another video that Stan has a rides a Phantom
I can’t believe people aren’t appreciating over how awesome the last 28 seconds are.
Funny-ass editing.
[quote]jackreape wrote:
Think it will be a push pull.
If the benches are done no lockout BB style and from a heave[/quote] Wouldn’t make much sense since both compete in pl (or at least in bench meets in white’s case). Besides, I doubt either of them is stupid enough to actually try to max out with BB form. [quote] it will be a tie for last, but Johnnie has experience benching raw in a meet.
My money is on Johnnie.
Not gonna be close.[/quote]
Let’s hope you’re right
I wonder though… Would white agree to the competition, knowing that he’s about to lose? He could have talked himself out of it by competing in a bb show instead… Maybe he has some ace up his sleeve that we’re not aware of?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Yeah, most powerlifters in America. Go to the rest of the world and see how many of the IPF guys squat exactly the way Ronnie does. Get your facts straight first, because there are several guys who have squatted 900+ in similar gear to what Ronnie’s wearing with a similar stance. As far as Efferding’s depth, technically his 800x2 was deeper than Ronnie’s.
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You have a point with the stance…
And Jesus, Cartwright looked as if he were being subjected to electric shocks for the duration the bar was on his back. Did he put it down on some unlucky nerve-ending?
That Efferding video in the first post is one excellent piece of marketing. Props to Smelly and the crew.
As far as I know, Stan isn’t sponsored…if I were Biotest, I’d be looking to get this guy on some sort of contract…I mean WR holding powerlifter and professional bodybuilder? Sounds like a nice compromise between the “bodybuilding” and “strength sports” crowds that frequent the site.