[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
Ethan, you troll half hte time so I can’t believe I am answering to you but here it goes.
I have squatted 405. Real, legitimate squat (not the bro-s half knee bends). I would more likely win the lottery and sing the national anthem at a Seahawks game than manage to hit 325 for 10 right now, at the start of your example “cycle”.
Where do YOU come up with your hardcore mastery of the “calculation” or “intensity” department?[/quote]
To be fair he is still on his newbie gain phase so I guess large jumps in 3 months are reasonable for him still. Hopefully he will be smart and add 1000lbs to his squat in the next 3 years by doing smolov, instead of taking 9 years and doing Coan. Maybe factor in another year to figure out if squat should go on monday or wednesday.
[quote]clutz15 wrote:
To be fair I’m not planning on running it cause I think I’m past linear gains[/quote]
You can debate weight percentages, but this style of linear progression still works for some people regardless of level. Ed Coan himself used this style of linear progression… like the whole time. So he wasn’t “past” it when he was deadlifting 900 pounds lol.[/quote]
Well squatting 82% x10 just isn’t gonna happen. If everyone could add ten pounds a week to each lift forever then periodization would be irrelevant. I dont doubt Coan followed something very similar to this but when he squatted 1000lbs I bet he didn’t do 890x10 at the start of that cycle. There comes a point when basic principles need to be modified.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
There are no set percentages. Percentages never even came into play when Eddie was designing the program. The third week I was squatting with Ed, I did 295 for sets of 8, which was 80% of my max. It can be done. Honestly, it’s all between the ears.
CS[/quote]
Hahahah all between the ears… It matters but don’t believe in BS… I can’t squat 1000 next week because I believe in it. If one is technically sound then extreme deviation should not happen in reps one is capable of. Sure I can squeeze out one or two more if I really get psyched and have a good training environment, but 10 reps at 80% as I mentioned is not possible no matter what. In fact, an advanced powerlifter who has developed excellent motor skills, would struggle to do more than 5 or at the most 6 reps at 80%. My girlfriend could do 10 reps at 80% though… Again, not questioning Ed Coan as well… no one can…
I think it varies across individuals and exercises (form and technique as well). When my 1RM squat was 385, I was able to do 9 reps of 315 after doing a few singles at 90% 1RM. It’s a completely different story if it was bench press. At 1RM of 285, squeezing out 6 reps of 225 can be a struggle at times. Best thing to do is probably listen to your body and make intelligent judgements.
What is with people tagging on percentages to make Ed Coan’s program?
Can you please demonstrate WHERE ANYBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT !&$%ing PERCENTAGES?
OH THAT’S RIGHT. NOBODY DID.
YOU INVENTED THEM.
A few reasons why some of you are wrong:
At a certain number, you no longer make 10 pound jumps. It becomes 15,20,or even 30.
How do I know ? Because I watched Ed Coan’s video and read tons of his articles.
At HIS squatting numbers, he didn’t take it down 10 pounds a week. He did something more like 20-25.
It isn’t permanently 10 pounds forever. We were talking about non-advanced lifters who are in the 200-400 barriers.
STOP PUTTING PERCENTAGES.
If you REALLY wanted to even attach percentages to Coan’s template you would realize the first 2 weeks are actually more like 60% x 10 , followed by 70% x 10.
Studies/experience/data show a 60% 1RM is usually about ~15-20 reps for most people. You can’t do 10 reps with your 60%?
Also 70% is usually about a 12 RM, you can’t do 10 reps with it after already being in the 2nd week of the program?
Oh and please get off your high horse about your 405 squat. I started in February of last year and squatted 375 to below parallel,and currently use 205-225 regularly on my repped out front squats despite not having even squatted for about 4 of those months.
I’m not some advanced or elite lifter,but with a 300+ bench and 385+ squat, I certainly don’t see how I am SO BENEATH you with your 20 extra pounds on a lift.
If you can’t do 10 pounds at that stage,which is very possible ,then try 15-20 pound jumps,as Coan himself used 20-25-30 on them when he was very advanced.
[quote]clutz15 wrote:
To be fair I’m not planning on running it cause I think I’m past linear gains[/quote]
You can debate weight percentages, but this style of linear progression still works for some people regardless of level. Ed Coan himself used this style of linear progression… like the whole time. So he wasn’t “past” it when he was deadlifting 900 pounds lol.[/quote]
Well squatting 82% x10 just isn’t gonna happen. If everyone could add ten pounds a week to each lift forever then periodization would be irrelevant. I dont doubt Coan followed something very similar to this but when he squatted 1000lbs I bet he didn’t do 890x10 at the start of that cycle. There comes a point when basic principles need to be modified. [/quote]
No, he didn’t do 890 for 10, though he probably could have lol. Once he was at that strength level, the jumps went to 20-30 lbs. each week. You have to adjust it according to your strength levels. I know that there are a few 700 lb. squatters in my gym. They still do reps all the time. They’re not going to take 10 lbs. each week, that’d be retarded and you couldn’t do it. I
[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
Oh and please get off your high horse about your 405 squat. I started in February of last year and squatted 375 to below parallel,and currently use 205-225 regularly on my repped out front squats despite not having even squatted for about 4 of those months.
I’m not some advanced or elite lifter,but with a 300+ bench and 385+ squat, I certainly don’t see how I am SO BENEATH you with your 20 extra pounds on a lift.
If you can’t do 10 pounds at that stage,which is very possible ,then try 15-20 pound jumps,as Coan himself used 20-25-30 on them when he was very advanced.[/quote]
Ethan GTFO,
You are the 2 things everyone in this site is NOT looking for
1.) You are weak as fuhh
2.) You are ridiculously small, do you even lift?
please upload vids of your lifts,
please upload proof you have real life friends
please upload a response to why you have been banned by so many sites
[quote]clutz15 wrote:
To be fair I’m not planning on running it cause I think I’m past linear gains[/quote]
You can debate weight percentages, but this style of linear progression still works for some people regardless of level. Ed Coan himself used this style of linear progression… like the whole time. So he wasn’t “past” it when he was deadlifting 900 pounds lol.[/quote]
Well squatting 82% x10 just isn’t gonna happen. If everyone could add ten pounds a week to each lift forever then periodization would be irrelevant. I dont doubt Coan followed something very similar to this but when he squatted 1000lbs I bet he didn’t do 890x10 at the start of that cycle. There comes a point when basic principles need to be modified. [/quote]
No, he didn’t do 890 for 10, though he probably could have lol. Once he was at that strength level, the jumps went to 20-30 lbs. each week. You have to adjust it according to your strength levels. I know that there are a few 700 lb. squatters in my gym. They still do reps all the time. They’re not going to take 10 lbs. each week, that’d be retarded and you couldn’t do it. I
CS[/quote]
Ok thanks thats what I was wondering. At what point would you start adjusting the increments? Ps kind of irrelevant but I started the coan deadlift cycle today. I can already feel I’ve been lacking in back volume can’t wait to see how this pays off.
[quote]clutz15 wrote:
To be fair I’m not planning on running it cause I think I’m past linear gains[/quote]
You can debate weight percentages, but this style of linear progression still works for some people regardless of level. Ed Coan himself used this style of linear progression… like the whole time. So he wasn’t “past” it when he was deadlifting 900 pounds lol.[/quote]
Well squatting 82% x10 just isn’t gonna happen. If everyone could add ten pounds a week to each lift forever then periodization would be irrelevant. I dont doubt Coan followed something very similar to this but when he squatted 1000lbs I bet he didn’t do 890x10 at the start of that cycle. There comes a point when basic principles need to be modified. [/quote]
No, he didn’t do 890 for 10, though he probably could have lol. Once he was at that strength level, the jumps went to 20-30 lbs. each week. You have to adjust it according to your strength levels. I know that there are a few 700 lb. squatters in my gym. They still do reps all the time. They’re not going to take 10 lbs. each week, that’d be retarded and you couldn’t do it. I
CS[/quote]
Ok thanks thats what I was wondering. At what point would you start adjusting the increments? Ps kind of irrelevant but I started the coan deadlift cycle today. I can already feel I’ve been lacking in back volume can’t wait to see how this pays off.[/quote]
I’m sure when you get to the point of wondering if you have to change your weekly increments, you should probably have figured out how your body responds and what’s a reasonable jump for you.
Even more so if you’re lifting 500#s.
[quote]vali wrote:
CS, would this be appropriate for a beginner (I’m at 315 squat, 250 bench, 455 dl- squat technique needs help.), also do you think you get enough back volume on this program? [/quote]
Yes, it would work just fine for you. I get plenty of back volume. Check out the last post in my training log. Ed doesn’t have me follow it the same way he did back in the day, but it’s pretty similar. All of my back work is done on squat day. We don’t deadlift right now. With you, assuming you have a day dedicated to deadlifting, that would be when you hit all your back work. Pulldowns, lots of rows (all variations), and all that jazz. Pick 3-5 exercises and your back will be fried the next day.
CS[/quote]
Sounds great, I’d like to try his program. I’ve been using 531 no 4 9 months, and hile the gains have been excellent on bench and deadlit, squat has improved very little.
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I’m sure when you get to the point of wondering if you have to change your weekly increments, you should probably have figured out how your body responds and what’s a reasonable jump for you.
Even more so if you’re lifting 500#s.[/quote]
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I’m sure when you get to the point of wondering if you have to change your weekly increments, you should probably have figured out how your body responds and what’s a reasonable jump for you.
Even more so if you’re lifting 500#s.[/quote]
This.
CS[/quote]
Which is exactly why I said I will not be using this program for myself. Nothing against the program but I’ve learned what works for me. I guess learning for the sake of understanding is a lost art these days.
btw if a 300~ bench and 400~ squat is a beginner…my mind=blown, but i guess im a newb compared to you guys since you all … bench like 500 and squat800 i guess
[quote]vali wrote:
Sounds great, I’d like to try his program. I’ve been using 531 no 4 9 months, and hile the gains have been excellent on bench and deadlit, squat has improved very little.
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[quote]Ethan7X wrote:
Oh and please get off your high horse about your 405 squat. I started in February of last year and squatted 375 to below parallel,and currently use 205-225 regularly on my repped out front squats despite not having even squatted for about 4 of those months.
I’m not some advanced or elite lifter,but with a 300+ bench and 385+ squat, I certainly don’t see how I am SO BENEATH you with your 20 extra pounds on a lift.
If you can’t do 10 pounds at that stage,which is very possible ,then try 15-20 pound jumps,as Coan himself used 20-25-30 on them when he was very advanced.[/quote]
Ethan GTFO,
You are the 2 things everyone in this site is NOT looking for
1.) You are weak as fuhh
2.) You are ridiculously small, do you even lift?
please upload vids of your lifts,
please upload proof you have real life friends
please upload a response to why you have been banned by so many sites
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