Ectomorph - Steroids, Defeat, or Real Answers?

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[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
HogLover wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
HogLover wrote:

I like this. Good stuff.

“how many of us were good at weightlifting right away? how many had good mentors when we first started? how many of us made mistakes when we were kids or whenever we started? but we stuck with it and we made gains.”

I think that’s what he needs to hear.

I agree with you to a certain point, but it sounds like he doesn’t want it bad enough.

JW

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Blow me, idiot. You know nothing about me or the level at which i train. There have been guys that outweighed me 100 pounds in the gym that have been very encouraging to me based on what they saw in the gym. Think you know everything? You think you have all the answers? Your just another big mouthed moron out there who believes “everyone is created equal” and “everyone can put on size”…geez must not want it hard enough. I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard, so don’t give me your pansy assed opinion. How do you know that you work out hard enough? Maybe you gain easily in which case your opinion is worth nothing. Think out your statements before you throw meatheaded ones like that out there. everyone else, thanks for advice.

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This guy’s a troll.

But hey, at least Supreme Ayatollah Holy Father Alberta Beef is here to rescue the downtrodden.

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
AverageJay wrote:
There are HRT clinics that will help you. Don’t listen to the internet trainers telling you that you are not trying hard enough all the other BS. Some of them have advanced degrees but still somehow beleive we were are all exactly the same biologically. I think it has something to do with the public school system and this myth about everyone being the same for self esteam purposes.

Anyway you probably have, and always have had issues with test levels and GH. A guy like you in his 30s can easily qualify for this treatment and it’s legal. I’d go that route first. Just google HRT therapy and research the shit out of it.

I was testerone tested and given a number of 350 and the doctor said perfectly normal.

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350 is the low end of normal. To a doctor this means you should have no ill effects and be able to lead a normal life. I’m not saying you won’t make gains. But they will not come like some of the more fortunate with above 500 in their 30s. 350 is probably enough to sustain you and let you lead a normal life, but not near optimal for growing, that’s for sure. There are entire sections on body building boards on Hormone replacement therapy. You should really read up on it. I’m not saying it’s the answer, but there are people out there that feel like their lives are starting over because of it. Of course these poeple have a great deal of extra spending money, lol. If I was in a situation where I needed it, I’d be SOL. Good luck and whatever you do, don’t stop lifting. Making muscle size gains is not the only reason to be in the gym. The other benifits are worth it also.

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[quote]der Koning wrote:
This guy’s a troll.

But hey, at least Supreme Ayatollah Holy Father Alberta Beef is here to rescue the downtrodden.[/quote]

No. Just Beef.

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[quote]der Koning wrote:
This guy’s a troll.

But hey, at least Supreme Ayatollah Holy Father Alberta Beef is here to rescue the downtrodden.[/quote]

I agree that JW is a troll. thanks!

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,
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LOL!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,

LOL!![/quote]

I was doing squats in the rack with 355 pounds on the bar, I hit the third rep, fell down and things went black momentarily, i sprained both ankles, it was scary. Both of my spotters were EFFEN worthless. I went to the hospital for observation.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
suprarob wrote:
If that is their number one focus, then yes, there is something lacking. That is the only ones who would be offended by my post. And yes, the majority of people are selfish and greedy today. That includes couch potato and bodybuilder.
Also it is a proven fact that people who call others names are immature. It is a vain attempt to rise above another when threatened. I shall not succumb. Many on this board put people down when they make valid or newbie post’s. We all have a right to our opinion, right or wrong. So if the shoe fits,wear it, if it don’t then move along.

What? You may not have called anyone a specific name but you just labeled an entire group of people as not helping others or only working out regularly because their lives are lacking. What, you get extra credit points for simply not calling all of that a specific name? You shall not succumb? Yeah, you perservere, you noble soldier you. Why do you assume anyone on this board has bodybuilding as their number one focus in life? Has ANYONE said anything like that…or is that your “non-name calling yet all too ready to stereotype” self jumping to conclusions yet again?[/quote]

I’m not afraid to say it. Bodybuilding is my #1 priotity in life and hopefully stays that way for years to come.

Suprarob,
So what should we focus on? World hunger, World war? What the fuck have you ever done that makes your life so signficant and gives you the right to tell us how and what to take interest in. Maybe you should preach your gospel of holy interests to the crazy asshole hijacking 767’s, blowing up abortion clinics, and killing Americans simply because we’re Americans. When you take into account life and the purpose of it then no, bodybuilding in the scheme of things is minute. But if it makes us happy and occupies our minds then what the hell is the harm in that.

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
sorrowfull tale of woe…
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putting on muscle is probably more an art than anything else…do you think master works of art are produced by ‘I can’t do it’ attitudes? if you fall, pick yourself back up and try a new angle…

only a beginner should follow cookie cutter routines…over a period of time (different for everyone) you should be able to find things from all the cookie cutter stuff that work for you as an individual and discard the rest…

don’t eat 5000 calories a day because someone told you too…eat 5000 calories a day if it works for you…if it doesn’t make adjustments that work for you…

it’s not rocket science…if you find yourself putting on fat too quickly cut down on the calories a bit…if you’re not gaining at least some weight up your calories a bit…

as another poster already pointed out…you may think you’re eating ‘clean’ but your diet actually looks like shit…for someone that gains fat around their mid-section easily you are eating way too many carbs…your carb to protein ratio is terrible…you should have been able to figure this out on your own…

as far as AAS go…people that haven’t learned how to make gains without AAS usually don’t make very good gains using them either…I have personally seen guys use 750mg of test a week and loose muscle…even if you use you still have to lift heavy, eat enough to grow, get plenty of rest, and not injure yourself in the process…the type of lifting that works for you, the amount of food that will get you to grow but not put on fat too quickly, and how much rest you will need are still going to be unique to you as an individual…AAS is not an easy out for you to take…if you decide to use it will still take a huge amount of effort on your part to achieve the physique you want…

a word of caution about AAS use…for most of the people that start and say they’re only going to do a cycle or two…almost all of them use for the rest of their life…once you’ve opened the door and stepped through, there’s generally no going back…

I know that you’ve gotten pissed at people for telling you this in other posts but I think it’s very important for you to realize…YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED AT MAKING ANY PROGRESS…

good luck.

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Hey, just to give you an idea, I’m a “FFB” “skinny-fat” type of guy. Over a break during college I was working out six days a week, and doing some light GPP work three times a week.

I needed over 4,000 “clean” calories to just maintain my weight…

…

at 140lbs.

Food for thought buddy.

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,

LOL!!

I was doing squats in the rack with 355 pounds on the bar, I hit the third rep, fell down and things went black momentarily, i sprained both ankles, it was scary. Both of my spotters were EFFEN worthless. I went to the hospital for observation.[/quote]

not to be rude, but that sorta accident kinda implies that you were training like an idiot at that particular moment in time.

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[quote]suprarob wrote:
Professor X wrote:
suprarob wrote:
If that is their number one focus, then yes, there is something lacking. That is the only ones who would be offended by my post. And yes, the majority of people are selfish and greedy today. That includes couch potato and bodybuilder.
Also it is a proven fact that people who call others names are immature. It is a vain attempt to rise above another when threatened. I shall not succumb. Many on this board put people down when they make valid or newbie post’s. We all have a right to our opinion, right or wrong. So if the shoe fits,wear it, if it don’t then move along.

What? You may not have called anyone a specific name but you just labeled an entire group of people as not helping others or only working out regularly because their lives are lacking. What, you get extra credit points for simply not calling all of that a specific name? You shall not succumb? Yeah, you perservere, you noble soldier you. Why do you assume anyone on this board has bodybuilding as their number one focus in life? Has ANYONE said anything like that…or is that your “non-name calling yet all too ready to stereotype” self jumping to conclusions yet again?

Oh boy,you really got me there. You are the man. Can’t top the “man”. Boy we all aspire to be like you. You have ascended the mountaintop. Thank you for your wise words. I bet “all” your friends and family look up to you.
WOW is all we can say. You will really pass on a legacy…

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What kind of legacy are you leaving behind?

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,

LOL!!

I was doing squats in the rack with 355 pounds on the bar, I hit the third rep, fell down and things went black momentarily, i sprained both ankles, it was scary. Both of my spotters were EFFEN worthless. I went to the hospital for observation.[/quote]

LOL!!

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AlbertaBeef, nice catch.

This guy does not appear to have a good grip on his diet. It would be foolish to try steroids without even getting the basics like diet correct first.

Eat more protein! Read all the diet articles on this site pick one and commit to it. (Not the V-Diet).

Lose the self defeating attitude, hit the gym and enjoy your results.

Just face the facts that you will not look like Ronnie Coleman or Brad Pitt or whoever you want to look like.

You will merely look like a stronger, fitter version of yourself.

Good luck.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
AlbertaBeef, nice catch.

This guy does not appear to have a good grip on his diet. It would be foolish to try steroids without even getting the basics like diet correct first.

Eat more protein! Read all the diet articles on this site pick one and commit to it. (Not the V-Diet).

Lose the self defeating attitude, hit the gym and enjoy your results.

Just face the facts that you will not look like Ronnie Coleman or Brad Pitt or whoever you want to look like.

You will merely look like a stronger, fitter version of yourself.

Good luck.
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DIET IS THE ONE THING I HAVE A GRIP ON. This is a typical day lately, while i haven’t been much interesting in eating anymore than this.

Breakfast:

Protein shake (1 scoop whey. 1 scoop muscle milk, 1 cup low-fat yogurt, flaxseed, fish oil)
1 cup oatmeal, i whole grain english muffin w/nat peanut butter
I large cup of green tea

snack:
whole grain bagel, blackberries, nat pb

Lunch:
Chicken breast (no skin) brown rice, vegetables, cottage cheese + apple

snack:
orange, almonds + sunflower seeds, 1/4 pound turkey wrapped in swiss cheese + 1 whole grain fig newton

Dinner:
whole wheat pasta + marinara sauce, cooked carrots/spinach/almonds with 6 turkey meatballs–>(50g protein)

Snack (b4 bed):
protein shake (like above)

1 large cup of Green tea

If that isn’t haven’t diet down idon’t know what is. This is what i am eating to maintain my bodyweight.

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Buddy.

Do you want our help or not? There are only a small handful of us in here, among a majority who want to tear you down, that want to help you and here you are screaming at us.

Beef

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
HogLover wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
HogLover wrote:

I like this. Good stuff.

“how many of us were good at weightlifting right away? how many had good mentors when we first started? how many of us made mistakes when we were kids or whenever we started? but we stuck with it and we made gains.”

I think that’s what he needs to hear.

I agree with you to a certain point, but it sounds like he doesn’t want it bad enough.

JW

Blow me, idiot. You know nothing about me or the level at which i train. There have been guys that outweighed me 100 pounds in the gym that have been very encouraging to me based on what they saw in the gym. Think you know everything? You think you have all the answers? Your just another big mouthed moron out there who believes “everyone is created equal” and “everyone can put on size”…geez must not want it hard enough. I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard, so don’t give me your pansy assed opinion. How do you know that you work out hard enough? Maybe you gain easily in which case your opinion is worth nothing. Think out your statements before you throw meatheaded ones like that out there. everyone else, thanks for advice.

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Blow you?

I thought for sure that this bull shit thread was dead.

Lets go back to your original post. It is laden with bullshit that told me and others that you let your weight get away from you, at age 25. Thats telling me your mind was not on working out and your ass was on the couch. You even stated that you gave up in that same paragraph.

What about your fucked up diet that you failed to mention? You talked about some supplements, but you decided that wasn’t going to work either. Gave up on that too didn’t you?

Now you want some steroids. You want a easy way out. You will be one of those dumbasses that we will read about because you will fuck that up too.

Go out to the steroid forum and post this bullshit. 99% of those guys will flame your dumbass because you want the easy way out.

You stupid ass. There is no magic pill that will help you. Go ahead and try it though, go ahead. You will give up on that too, because you are expecting something that just isn’t going to work.

You will have to train to grow, even on cycle. Can’t grow while you are “letting your weight get away from you” with your fucked up diet.

20 years?

20 years? Give me and other dedicated people hear a break and quit wasting our time with this bullshit.

You were not doing something right, if you are telling the truth, but you are a liar.

20 years?

If anything it sounds as if you were over training. If you worked out for 20 years you would have realized that and changed your workouts, but you are a lying troll.

Pansy ass?

Fuck you troll, I have more desire, more heart than you ever will about anything.
Thats why over 16 years I have went from 6’2 190 to 6’2 at 275. It didn’t happen overnight. It is my main hobby in life.

2 hours a day you bitch. I don’t miss a work out unless I am injured. I keep a log and I lift very heavy. I like the way I feel when I work out. It is my therapy.

You didn’t understand that though did you troll? All you felt was the pain. Was it pain? You bitch.

You will never understand that because you are weak mentally.

You make it sound as though you have it hard. Everybody has it hard. Everybody! No pity here troll.

FUCK YOU TROLL!! Go back to your fucking lazyboy chair and give up.

This is a weightlifting site more than anything else. No quitters here. People log on this site to better themselves, not to quit. Period. We push ourselves to get better, no quitters here.

When I was in the paratroopers we had a saying - Lead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way. Go ahead and feel sorry for your self and get out of our way. Other people with better attitudes are passing by you - dumb ass.

Are you pleased with yourself when you look in the mirror? Just settle with being ordinary, fat and out of shape.

Quitter.

I am no quitter. I know what it takes.

That is the main difference between you and the dedicated people here at T-Nation.

JW

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
AlbertaBeef, nice catch.

This guy does not appear to have a good grip on his diet. It would be foolish to try steroids without even getting the basics like diet correct first.

Eat more protein! Read all the diet articles on this site pick one and commit to it. (Not the V-Diet).

Lose the self defeating attitude, hit the gym and enjoy your results.

Just face the facts that you will not look like Ronnie Coleman or Brad Pitt or whoever you want to look like.

You will merely look like a stronger, fitter version of yourself.

Good luck.

DIET IS THE ONE THING I HAVE A GRIP ON. This is a typical day lately, while i haven’t been much interesting in eating anymore than this.

Breakfast:

Protein shake (1 scoop whey. 1 scoop muscle milk, 1 cup low-fat yogurt, flaxseed, fish oil)
1 cup oatmeal, i whole grain english muffin w/nat peanut butter
I large cup of green tea

snack:
whole grain bagel, blackberries, nat pb

Lunch:
Chicken breast (no skin) brown rice, vegetables, cottage cheese + apple

snack:
orange, almonds + sunflower seeds, 1/4 pound turkey wrapped in swiss cheese + 1 whole grain fig newton

Dinner:
whole wheat pasta + marinara sauce, cooked carrots/spinach/almonds with 6 turkey meatballs–>(50g protein)

Snack (b4 bed):
protein shake (like above)

1 large cup of Green tea

If that isn’t haven’t diet down idon’t know what is. This is what i am eating to maintain my bodyweight.

[/quote]

Looking better.

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
der Koning wrote:
This guy’s a troll.

But hey, at least Supreme Ayatollah Holy Father Alberta Beef is here to rescue the downtrodden.

I agree that JW is a troll. thanks![/quote]

Why am I a troll?

You have posted here a total of nine times, all of these in this post?

Go back and read my posts you bitch. My posts are trying to help others thru my expereinces with lifting. I post in all forums.

They don’t belive you troll.

JW

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,

LOL!!

I was doing squats in the rack with 355 pounds on the bar, I hit the third rep, fell down and things went black momentarily, i sprained both ankles, it was scary. Both of my spotters were EFFEN worthless. I went to the hospital for observation.

LOL!!

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I agree X, LOL!!!