Ectomorph - Steroids, Defeat, or Real Answers?

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,

LOL!!

I was doing squats in the rack with 355 pounds on the bar, I hit the third rep, fell down and things went black momentarily, i sprained both ankles, it was scary. Both of my spotters were EFFEN worthless. I went to the hospital for observation.[/quote]

This story doesn’t make any sense. You had 2 spotters for 355 and you did 3 reps? Then you fell and sprained both ankles??? how did you sprain both your ankles by falling down?

You didn’t have an accident becuase you were pushing yourself to hard, you had an accident because you were being a jackass trying to impress people with all the weight you could move.

There is no way you can work out for all those years and not see any results, impossible. You can see results in as little as a month if you are dedicated.

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[quote]AlbertaBeef wrote:
DIET IS THE ONE THING I HAVE A GRIP ON.

Buddy.

Do you want our help or not? There are only a small handful of us in here, among a majority who want to tear you down, that want to help you and here you are screaming at us.

Beef[/quote]

People want to tear him down? How about, “people want him to wake the fuck up”? If you can’t see this guy is either trolling or simply not worth the effort after all of this and it makes you feel superior to believe that everyone else who sees this is simply “wanting to tear him down”, carry on with your superiority. Do you want us to light candles? Shit, can I hold your cape?

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:

DIET IS THE ONE THING I HAVE A GRIP ON.

[/quote]

If that was true you’d have a great, lean physique.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You’re a bitch. Congratulations.[/quote]

I couldn’t agee more

JW

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Shit, can I hold your cape?[/quote]

lol

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here is my two cents based on your diet…take it for what it’s worth…

first of all, get rid of your snacks and turn them in to actual meals…out of my six meals one i count as a “snack” and it is 3 individual size yogurts(8g protein each) along with three high protein granola/nut bars(10g protein each) and my multi vitamin…something like this should be doable by most, no cooking, convinient and perfect for work…

your breakfast, lunch and dinner look good…it’s the inbetween the i would change…your second snack is ok, the first i would change to my preworkout meal: something like more oatmeal, piece of fruit and protein shake…

your dinner seems like a good post work out meal, in this case i would add another shake there…

i’m always shaky about green tea or coffee that late in someones day but if it’s not keeping you from getting some sleep, keep it…maybe even use it to add some extra calories in…a little milk or cream…maybe even chai tea…

your pre bed shake…add some carbs, it’ll help you grow…a piece or two of fruit, whatever…

i don’t know much, but i know how to get people big…you say you know how to work out hard, keep at it…get enough sleep, eat lots…watch yourself grow…

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[quote]Sxio wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:

DIET IS THE ONE THING I HAVE A GRIP ON.

If that was true you’d have a great, lean physique.

[/quote]

My point exactly.

JW

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[quote]baretta wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
I have been hospitalized one time for a workout. I pushed way too hard,

LOL!!

I was doing squats in the rack with 355 pounds on the bar, I hit the third rep, fell down and things went black momentarily, i sprained both ankles, it was scary. Both of my spotters were EFFEN worthless. I went to the hospital for observation.

This story doesn’t make any sense. You had 2 spotters for 355 and you did 3 reps? Then you fell and sprained both ankles??? how did you sprain both your ankles by falling down?

You didn’t have an accident becuase you were pushing yourself to hard, you had an accident because you were being a jackass trying to impress people with all the weight you could move.

There is no way you can work out for all those years and not see any results, impossible. You can see results in as little as a month if you are dedicated.
[/quote]

This bullshit does not add up.

What a fucking idiot.

JW

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Let’s assume that with the best possible program of diet and exercise you will never gain a significant amount of muscle.

Why not just try to keep things in perspective? Maybe forget about trying to see significant muscularity in yourself. Maybe just do a sensible, balanced, moderate program of exercise and try to be satisfied that you will have more strength and better health at any given age than if you just sit on the couch and watch TV?

I would suggest that if your frame of mind is reflected by what you have written, you would be better off not messing around with steroids.

<< I hit the weights, start actually eating right, >>

… that’s good, keep doing that …

<< and low and behold, That F#CK3R from 20 years ago resurfaced, this time with a twist. Yeah,this F#CK3R is skinny again, 30" waist with a nice 2 inch roll around it, but i’m in at 165lbs. Same damn arms. >>

… eh, things could be worse (and they probably will get worse if you drive yourself nuts about it) …

<< I hit the gym until i would leave shaking, be dragging myself into the car. Protein shakes, before, during and after, with the right Carb balance, creatine, glutamine, fish oil, muscle milk, fried rat, pig intestines, whatever, YAH YAH YAH, BULL$h^T! >>

… just keep doing it, but not quite as hard, and try to get some satisfaction from maintaining decent health and decent body composition, even if you don’t have beautiful big muscles and the best aesthetics …

<< I have done it all in the last 20 years, i have hit the weights so hard, while watching these Bozos with sloppy form, do a few pushdowns and walk out of the gym with thier triceps 3 F#CK^N inches bigger. >>

… so what; I have watched people who don’t have half my brains make money hand-over-fist without half trying; am I going to quit working and go live in the gutter?

<< How about some Steroids? My goal is measly. I don’t aspire to be a big freaky freakshow of a freak. I’d like 15 pounds of solid muscle, and 2 or 3 inches on my arms. I like my weight now, I am going to be happy with it because i have to, im stuck!, I need 2 inches on my arms to balance out my porportions. I have heard (mostly from the book Juiced by Jose Canseco) Steroids can change the Chemical makeup of your body. IE: change your body type from ectomorph to mesomorph? IS THIS TRUE?

CAN I PUT AN END TO THIS BULL$H^T ONCE AND FOR ALL BY GETTING ON THE VITAMIN S? INTRODUCING MR NEEDLE TO MR BUTTOCKS? I’m a Ecto Pu$$y, probably never ever get enough balls to stick that thing in my ass anyway. TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK PUHLEEZE! >>

I think you should introduce Mr. Perspective to your thinking. (I hope that doesn’t come across as too sarcastic; just trying to throw some humor in here and lighten things up a little.)

It also wouldn’t hurt to pray for some perspective.

Good luck to you and try not to do anything rash.

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The way I see it, this guy is either

a) a troll

b) lying about either everything, or just some things, or just exaggerating

c) seriously screwing up in some way, like overtraining, not sleeping, bad sleeping, cheating on all reps in a bad way who knows

c) has some undiagnosed illness such as an allergy etc… that is draining the crap out of his energy needs

If this guy is for real I would like to see what finally works for him. As far as I am concerned, you are going to learn more from the guys who could not get results in the past, and try something else that works, than you learn from those who are doing well already (because they are using knowledge base that is already proven to work, that we already know .: not learning anything new)

And didn’t he say his legs grow fine? OR was that someone else.

Good input from Mr Beef and an interesting story on his asian E.T transformation.

Nobody here likes to hear that someone is giving up.

Lots of people here consider weights an important part of their life, there are worse things to spend your time on.

Developments in health and fitness ARE a great contribution to society. Especially if we find out this guy does have something unusual about him and we find out what.

Don’t quit dude, just stop doing what you are doing, because it isn’t working, and do something else.

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First off, why do you keep calling me a troll? Aren’t trolls little midgets with funny hats? I am almost 6 foot, tall, maybe you should call me a “whiner” or a “quitter” whats with troll?

Second, I don’t know what the problem is. It seems everyone in here automatically believes everyone is created equally and everyone should just “grow”. I am proof this is not the case. I am not stupid. I read all the ame stuff yuou read. I do all the same stuff you do.

Sorry for living.

Yes, my legs grow but my upper body doesn’t. period. I can still outrun 20 year olds.

When a guy tries his best to put on some muscle, and fails to do so, you don’t feel as motivated to do more. While some of you jump my case for giving up, sorry, sometimes, for the lack of progress, i go through a phase of not caring. I’ll bike, run or do the sports or activities that are more ecto friendly. Be content to hate me, call me names whatever. I posted on this site, cuz someone told me you guys were stand up guys and you’d give me good advice. Well, while there has been some great advice from stand up guys (through PM), the majority of you want to kick my ass. Apparently, you feel that you need to use your “muscles” to kick my skinny ass. Thanks.

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[quote]Ecto-IamFinished wrote:
First off, why do you keep calling me a troll? Aren’t trolls little midgets with funny hats? I am almost 6 foot, tall, maybe you should call me a “whiner” or a “quitter” whats with troll?

Second, I don’t know what the problem is. It seems everyone in here automatically believes everyone is created equally and everyone should just “grow”. I am proof this is not the case. I am not stupid. I read all the ame stuff yuou read. I do all the same stuff you do.

Sorry for living.

Yes, my legs grow but my upper body doesn’t. period. I can still outrun 20 year olds.

When a guy tries his best to put on some muscle, and fails to do so, you don’t feel as motivated to do more. While some of you jump my case for giving up, sorry, sometimes, for the lack of progress, i go through a phase of not caring. I’ll bike, run or do the sports or activities that are more ecto friendly.

Be content to hate me, call me names whatever. I posted on this site, cuz someone told me you guys were stand up guys and you’d give me good advice. Well, while there has been some great advice from stand up guys (through PM), the majority of you want to kick my ass. Apparently, you feel that you need to use your “muscles” to kick my skinny ass. Thanks.[/quote]

Listen.

We are stand up guys. I have more friends here than I have had my whole life.

If you ask anyone that I have helped on this site, they will tell you that I am a stand up guy.

I have never crossed the line with insults the way I did with you.

But, you crossed that line when you said to blow you, based off of my opinion, based off of you saying you quit.

Don’t think for a minute that you will get a good reponse from that. I would never tell a brother here at the Nation to blow me because they gave their opinion. I might not like their opinion, but I will damn sure respect it.

Opinions are free here, and those opinons have hints that you need to help better yourself.

Look at my first post. I didn’t flame you at all. I just gave you my opinion of what you needed to do.

This is Testosterone Nation. That in itself says everything. There is a lot of test floating around on a site full of guys. Will people be blunt? Hell yes, but don’t take it so damn bad.

Believe it or not, and others have stated this in this post, it starts with you and your attitude.

What ever you take from this post please take this:

  1. Respect others for trying to help you.

  2. What ever you do, don’t quit.

If you need help PM me and I will help you in any way.

Not flaming you at all, its just an honest opinion.

Damn I feeling nice today.

JW

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[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:

JW laying down the law to Ecto-Bitch…

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JW, those last few posts of yours were fucking great.

Ecto-Bitch,

Some people on here have given you some excellent advice. It can generally be broken into 2 parts:

  1. Training and nutrition advice - reread these posts and take note; and

  2. People telling you to stop being a pussy - reread these posts and take note.

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[quote]Massif wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:

JW laying down the law to Ecto-Bitch…

JW, those last few posts of yours were fucking great.

Ecto-Bitch,

Some people on here have given you some excellent advice. It can generally be broken into 2 parts:

  1. Training and nutrition advice - reread these posts and take note; and

  2. People telling you to stop being a pussy - reread these posts and take note.[/quote]

Thanks Massif.

I just got on a roll an couldn’t stop.

Good to hear my point got across to someone. Just trying to help. That is what this site is all about.

JW

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thanks for your help guys.

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I just found a link that has given me some hope:

http://www.newspronet.com/products/f...ooThinTemp.wmv

wow, i guess i need to reevaluate the S2B program.