do you weigh less than 200lbs?
Im curious… . it seems we cant call these types hardgainers any more… . but I cant think of another name that best describes it. …
I added 1000cals a day into my diet and only gained 2kgs out of it… . if I have to eat 4000cals to maintain an 82kg bodyweight what will I have to eat to get to 90+ kgs?
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
do you weigh less than 200lbs?
Im curious… . it seems we cant call these types hardgainers any more… . but I cant think of another name that best describes it. …
I added 1000cals a day into my diet and only gained 2kgs out of it… . if I have to eat 4000cals to maintain an 82kg bodyweight what will I have to eat to get to 90+ kgs? [/quote]
I don’t understand you pinners. I have to practice extreme discipline to eat less than 4500 calories a day. Well to start you should definately start consuming more calorie dense foods. Here are a few pointers:
[quote]tpa wrote:
I don’t understand you pinners. I have to practice extreme discipline to eat less than 4500 calories a day. Well to start you should definately start consuming more calorie dense foods. Here are a few pointers:
[/quote]
unfortunately I allready do those things. …
may I enquire as to how much you had to eat to get to your current weight?
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
do you weigh less than 200lbs?
Im curious… . it seems we cant call these types hardgainers any more… . but I cant think of another name that best describes it. …
I added 1000cals a day into my diet and only gained 2kgs out of it… . if I have to eat 4000cals to maintain an 82kg bodyweight what will I have to eat to get to 90+ kgs? [/quote]
What does needing more food have to do with being a “hard gainer”? That means you have a fast metabolism. It also means you don’t have to be as strict with your diet as others might have to be. Where is the problem?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What does needing more food have to do with being a “hard gainer”? That means you have a fast metabolism. It also means you don’t have to be as strict with your diet as others might have to be. Where is the problem? [/quote]
its just means that at this rate I will be eating 8000cals before Im up to 90kgs which isnt exactly big by many of your standards… . besides the fact that doubling my calorie intake will require twice the amount of food and twice the amount of money… . that and finding the time and room in my stomach are the only problems I can see. …
and yes I know they are just excuses but I dont want to have to get obese just to get some extra muscle. …
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
Professor X wrote:
What does needing more food have to do with being a “hard gainer”? That means you have a fast metabolism. It also means you don’t have to be as strict with your diet as others might have to be. Where is the problem?
its just means that at this rate I will be eating 8000cals before Im up to 90kgs which isnt exactly big by many of your standards… . besides the fact that doubling my calorie intake will require twice the amount of food and twice the amount of money… . that and finding the time and room in my stomach are the only problems I can see. …
and yes I know they are just excuses but I dont want to have to get obese just to get some extra muscle. …[/quote]
That’s retarded. You don’t know how many calories you will need when you get bigger IF you even get bigger. Worrying about you MAY have to eat 50lbs from now makes no sense.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
… but I dont want to have to get obese just to get some extra muscle…[/quote]
Okay, this makes no sense to me. You say you have to eat so damned much to maintain mass, and then at the same time you worry about getting obese?
Is fear of fat holding you back from eating enough to gain?
How about you post what you eat in a typical day. Include times as well.
If you want honest help, then don’t be a hero and lie about how much/what you eat in a weak attempt to gain sympathy from us. (i.e. we aren’t going to say: “wow you really do eat tons…you must have the world’s fastest metabolism”)
[quote]vroom wrote:
Gl;itch.e wrote:
… but I dont want to have to get obese just to get some extra muscle…
Okay, this makes no sense to me. You say you have to eat so damned much to maintain mass, and then at the same time you worry about getting obese?
Is fear of fat holding you back from eating enough to gain?[/quote]
That’s the only explanation. Why would someone with supposedly the world’s fastest metabolism be concerned about obesity? Even if he gained extra body fat, losing it shouldn’t be that much of a problem.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
do you weigh less than 200lbs?
Im curious… . it seems we cant call these types hardgainers any more… . but I cant think of another name that best describes it. …
I added 1000cals a day into my diet and only gained 2kgs out of it… . if I have to eat 4000cals to maintain an 82kg bodyweight what will I have to eat to get to 90+ kgs? [/quote]
I’m no expert but here’s what worked for me. Since you know 4000 is what works for maintenance, go ahead and add 500 calories a day. Hit the gym hard and see if maybe you’ve gained a pound by the end of a week. If not, add another 500 calories. Once you get to a point in your caloric intake were you’re seeing consistent gains, stick with it. After a while your body is going to get used to the 4500 or 5000 calories and you’ll have to add more but as long as you’re putting in hard work at the gym you don’t really have to worry about getting “fat”.
[quote]tpa wrote:
How about you post what you eat in a typical day. Include times as well.
If you want honest help, then don’t be a hero and lie about how much/what you eat in a weak attempt to gain sympathy from us. (i.e. we aren’t going to say: “wow you really do eat tons…you must have the world’s fastest metabolism”)[/quote]
this’ll probably bore you but you asked so fair enough. …
monday 14 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
workout drink = 200cals
shake = 400cals
pizza = 900cals
juice = 80cals
pasta = 150cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4266
tuesday 15 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
pasta = 300cals
shake = 400cals
chilli con carne = 300cals
soda = 240cals
butter chicken = 380cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
apple = 80cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4236
wednesday 16 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
workout drink = 200cals
shake = 400cals
50g gummy bears = 172cals
burger fuel = 500cals
juice = 80cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4124
thursday 17 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
6 sizzlers = 556cals
shake = 400cals
chilli con carne = 250cals
butter chicken = 380cals
chocolate popcorn = 200cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
apple = 80cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4402
friday 18 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
juice = 80cals
workout drink = 200cals
50g gummy bears = 172cals
butter chicken = 380cals
soda = 240cals
whitakers giant peanut slab = 400cals
steak and cheese pie = 450cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
one square meal bar = 340cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4798
and yes I left out the weekend… . I know I can to better on them and I dont allway count calories on the weekend but I try my best and shouldnt be off by more than 1000cals all up. …
[quote]Professor X wrote:
vroom wrote:
Gl;itch.e wrote:
… but I dont want to have to get obese just to get some extra muscle…
Okay, this makes no sense to me. You say you have to eat so damned much to maintain mass, and then at the same time you worry about getting obese?
Is fear of fat holding you back from eating enough to gain?
That’s the only explanation. Why would someone with supposedly the world’s fastest metabolism be concerned about obesity? Even if he gained extra body fat, losing it shouldn’t be that much of a problem.[/quote]
those 2kgs I gained by adding 1000cals a day also came with an extra inch+ on my waist line… . now I realise Ill never get back to the skinny 29" waist I had when I was 65kgs… . and frankly I dont care I never had abs even then… . but I now have a 35" waist and gaining an inch on my waist for every 1/8" muscle/fat elsewhere isnt very motivating. …
my metabolism isnt stopping me from getting fatter. …
Hey glitche, it looks like your meals are tiny with most of your calories coming from shakes.
I’d suggest more real food as it will take longer to digest and be available for anabolic purposes for longer periods of time.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
my metabolism isnt stopping me from getting fatter. …
[/quote]
Maybe it’s the 1000 calorie shakes? What do you think your body will do with 1000 calories that is rapidly absorbed in shake form?
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
tpa wrote:
How about you post what you eat in a typical day. Include times as well.
If you want honest help, then don’t be a hero and lie about how much/what you eat in a weak attempt to gain sympathy from us. (i.e. we aren’t going to say: “wow you really do eat tons…you must have the world’s fastest metabolism”)
this’ll probably bore you but you asked so fair enough. …
monday 14 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
workout drink = 200cals
shake = 400cals
pizza = 900cals
juice = 80cals
pasta = 150cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4266
tuesday 15 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
pasta = 300cals
shake = 400cals
chilli con carne = 300cals
soda = 240cals
butter chicken = 380cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
apple = 80cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4236
wednesday 16 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
workout drink = 200cals
shake = 400cals
50g gummy bears = 172cals
burger fuel = 500cals
juice = 80cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4124
thursday 17 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
6 sizzlers = 556cals
shake = 400cals
chilli con carne = 250cals
butter chicken = 380cals
chocolate popcorn = 200cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
apple = 80cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4402
friday 18 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
juice = 80cals
workout drink = 200cals
50g gummy bears = 172cals
butter chicken = 380cals
soda = 240cals
whitakers giant peanut slab = 400cals
steak and cheese pie = 450cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
one square meal bar = 340cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4798
and yes I left out the weekend… . I know I can to better on them and I dont allway count calories on the weekend but I try my best and shouldnt be off by more than 1000cals all up. …[/quote]
First, I think anyone who thinks of caloric ESTIMATES as there actual true specific number for intake doesn’t quite understand how variable seervings are. Second, you are eating over 4,000cals a day and you are gaining no weight at all? How long have you eaten this amount?
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
Professor X wrote:
vroom wrote:
Gl;itch.e wrote:
… but I dont want to have to get obese just to get some extra muscle…
Okay, this makes no sense to me. You say you have to eat so damned much to maintain mass, and then at the same time you worry about getting obese?
Is fear of fat holding you back from eating enough to gain?
That’s the only explanation. Why would someone with supposedly the world’s fastest metabolism be concerned about obesity? Even if he gained extra body fat, losing it shouldn’t be that much of a problem.
those 2kgs I gained by adding 1000cals a day also came with an extra inch+ on my waist line… . now I realise Ill never get back to the skinny 29" waist I had when I was 65kgs… . and frankly I dont care I never had abs even then… . but I now have a 35" waist and gaining an inch on my waist for every 1/8" muscle/fat elsewhere isnt very motivating. …
my metabolism isnt stopping me from getting fatter. …
[/quote]
I hate discussing anything with you at all because from past experience, this is going to be a long fall into insanity and confusion. You gained 2kg in how much time? You gained how much muscle in the process?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Gl;itch.e wrote:
my metabolism isnt stopping me from getting fatter. …
Maybe it’s the 1000 calorie shakes? What do you think your body will do with 1000 calories that is rapidly absorbed in shake form?[/quote]
Good point. I consider weight gainer shakes a last resort for people with rocket fast metabolisms.
Please explain what’s in a “full ingrediant shake” and your regular shake and workout drink. Also what the hell is burger fuel, sizzlers, whitakers giant peanut slab, and steak and cheese pie?
It would also be helpful if you included the times of each meal and showed where your workout fits in with those meals.
[quote]
Gl;itch.e wrote:
monday 14 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
workout drink = 200cals
shake = 400cals
pizza = 900cals
juice = 80cals
pasta = 150cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4266
tuesday 15 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
pasta = 300cals
shake = 400cals
chilli con carne = 300cals
soda = 240cals
butter chicken = 380cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
apple = 80cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4236
wednesday 16 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
workout drink = 200cals
shake = 400cals
50g gummy bears = 172cals
burger fuel = 500cals
juice = 80cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4124
thursday 17 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
6 sizzlers = 556cals
shake = 400cals
chilli con carne = 250cals
butter chicken = 380cals
chocolate popcorn = 200cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
apple = 80cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4402
friday 18 august
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
juice = 80cals
workout drink = 200cals
50g gummy bears = 172cals
butter chicken = 380cals
soda = 240cals
whitakers giant peanut slab = 400cals
steak and cheese pie = 450cals
full ingrediant shake = 1000cals
one square meal bar = 340cals
steak = 300cals
400ml of milk = 236cals
total = 4798
and yes I left out the weekend… . I know I can to better on them and I dont allway count calories on the weekend but I try my best and shouldnt be off by more than 1000cals all up.
…[/quote]
You hardly eat any vegetables for this entire week! You’re eating over 4000 calories a day but you’re malnurished. You are lacking the vitamins and minerals required to grow. Also, when I suggested above that you eat dried fruit, nuts and peanut butter to your daily diet you said “I already do this”…you lied. What about healthy fats? Also some of these calorie calculations look sketchy…I’m really curious about the ingredients of these 1000 calorie shakes.
Bottom line, I have no sympathy for you. You have very poor nutritional habits (e.g. gummy bears, soda, chocolate popcorn?) These are all empty calories – even though they add to your daily calorie totals, they will do absolutely nothing to help you gain muscle, hence the term “empty calories”. You need to spend more time reading through Berardi’s articles. I highly recommend you buy John Berardi’s “Precision Nutrition” and “Scrawny to Brawny” books. You asked me earlier what I eat. Personally, I follow a template very similar to the guidelines in Berardi’s “Precision Nutrition”. It was one of the best investments I ever made.
[quote]tpa wrote:
Bottom line, I have no sympathy for you. You have very poor nutritional habits (e.g. gummy bears, soda, chocolate popcorn?) These are all empty calories – even though they add to your daily calorie totals, they will do absolutely nothing to help you gain muscle, hence the term “empty calories”. You need to spend more time reading through Berardi’s articles. I highly recommend you buy John Berardi’s “Precision Nutrition” and “Scrawny to Brawny” books. You asked me earlier what I eat. Personally, I follow a template very similar to the guidelines in Berardi’s “Precision Nutrition”. It was one of the best investments I ever made.[/quote]
Good post. Serious weight lifters don’t eat Gummi Bears.
man i want a fast metabolism…
your diet looks like my junk day :d