[quote]Qaash wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Qaash wrote:
There is a challenge up right now for him do his 300+ preacher curl on video in two weeks or so with close to $5G’s on the table.
is that a joke at this thread or for real somewhere? lol
DG
Nope…here it is
I think it’s stupid it has gotten to the point where individual achievement can’t be accepted when it surpasses the norm…even in bodybuilding.[/quote]
Give us an update on Jan 13th
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
a lot of the ‘vids’ of ronnie you see are of him a few weeks out from the O or another competition. I know of 4 guys at my gym who can rep 405 on bench in the 8-12 range. Shoot there is vids of Branch Warren getting 6+ reps with that weight on incline press.
500lbs bench for 8+ reps coming from somebody who weighs probably 320+lbs in the off season isn’t that unbelievable. It’s a lot of weight and there are probably few people who can do it, but I don’t think its impossible.
Granted his eating habits and his story do sound strange…why would he lie?
Either way I’m sure we will see videos and stuff from this guy in the near future.
DG
Good post…but I am surprised you had to explain that. Max Charles is OBVIOUSLY talking about the weight he lifts when at his heaviest weight SINCE HE NEVER DIETED DOWN FOR A COMPETITION BEFORE. Why compare that to a contest dieted down Ronnie Coleman?
Most bodybuilders wouldn’t be doing anywhere near as much as Ronnie right before a contest. We also have no clue how much Ronnie could have lifted had he gained even more weight, trained when he wasn’t so depleted or concentrated on his one rep max.
Maybe I don’t remember it correctly, but didn’t Ronnie bench 5 plates a side for 6 or so in “cost of redemption” close to the O ? Either way, 500 for that many reps at a bodyweight of 320 is definitely no great surprise (though it’s still some feat!).
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There’s a huge difference between 4-5 and 12, as I already stated.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, this guy is impressively built and undoubtedly strong, but he’s also completely full of shit.
He changed his story about how much he eats AS HE WAS TELLING IT and claims repping 350lb preachers when he was getting 10’s with 285lbs less [I know it was the day after a show and he was weaker, but c’mon]. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. I feel the same about Lockett.
You read this thread and came to the conclusion that the rest of us thought he looks like that from one meal a day?
As far as his strength goes, until we see him in his off season when he’s 30lbs heavier, calling him a liar on that may just be jumping the gun. 300lbs LEAN is nothing to play with.
I have no idea what ya’ll are thinking, and would never claim to. I do however have an idea that he’s outright lying. Dude is big and lean for sure, but with the form I saw and the weights he used I doubt he’s really benching 495 for 12 or preacher curling 350 for reps.
I can do 450lbs for 8 and this dude is WAY bigger than me. Why would it be impossible for him to do 495? You haven’t even seen pics of this guy when he is 30lbs heavier. That’s almost as heavy as Ronnie Coleman.
…And Ronnie-who’s maybe the strongest bodybuilder of all time-benches 405 for 12.
You are judging someone’s max strength by what they work out with for several reps to build muscle? You don’t think Coleman could bench more than that? This guy has never even competed before and has simply been working on getting bigger and stronger for 10 years. His current size outdoes where Ronnie was at the same age.
We’re not talking about max strength, we’re talking about strength in the 10-12 range and this guy claims a full plate per side more than Coleman. There’s a vid of Coleman doing 495 for 4-5 then failing and I have a hard time believing a guy who claims to eat maybe once,
no wait twice, alright three times but just beans and rice no meat, oh yea and chicken but just chicken can get that weight for 7-8 more.
a lot of the ‘vids’ of ronnie you see are of him a few weeks out from the O or another competition. I know of 4 guys at my gym who can rep 405 on bench in the 8-12 range. Shoot there is vids of Branch Warren getting 6+ reps with that weight on incline press.
500lbs bench for 8+ reps coming from somebody who weighs probably 320+lbs in the off season isn’t that unbelievable. It’s a lot of weight and there are probably few people who can do it, but I don’t think its impossible.
Granted his eating habits and his story do sound strange…why would he lie?
Either way I’m sure we will see videos and stuff from this guy in the near future.
DG[/quote]
What do you mean why lie? Same reason Wilt Chamberlain claimed to sleep with over 20,000 women. To sound cool. And, to me, claiming to bench 500lb 12 times is almost as absurd a claim as Wilts.
[quote]Qaash wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Qaash wrote:
There is a challenge up right now for him do his 300+ preacher curl on video in two weeks or so with close to $5G’s on the table.
is that a joke at this thread or for real somewhere? lol
DG
Nope…here it is
I think it’s stupid it has gotten to the point where individual achievement can’t be accepted when it surpasses the norm…even in bodybuilding.[/quote]
its nothing new. people always try to downplay those who have achieved more. you get “eh, he’s big, but he’s not strong” or “he’s strong, but he cant walk up a flight of stairs” or “he can squat 600, but can he do a pistol squat?”…and even “yea, he’s a successful businessman, but he’s got to be workaholic with no life”.
and instead of reading it on a magazine and scoffing, people can now get online and make challenges…
lee priest benchs 495 for 8-10 reps for 3 -4 sets on incline press so its possible this guy could bench more then coleman
[quote]sid132 wrote:
lee priest benchs 495 for 8-10 reps for 3 -4 sets on incline press so its possible this guy could bench more then coleman [/quote]
Proof?
it was on a magazine photoshoot.
[quote]sid132 wrote:
it was on a magazine photoshoot. [/quote]
Sorry man, I’d bet dollars to donuts those were fake plates. Guys, these numbers are getting silly. Here’s Coleman benching 495 for 4 + 1:
I don’t no where he is in relation to contest prep/off season, but he looks like he could eat this other cat who claims to TRIPLE the number of reps at this weight.
Professor can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Ronnie is 8 weeks out the Olympia there. Give him another 25+ lbs of offseason weight and full diet at that point in his career and I think his numbers would be quite a bit different.
In regards to the bet: it’s…strange…that some guy cares enough about what a stranger says to risk wasting $3,000 to prove him wrong. Especially since, looking at the guy’s bank account, he isn’t exactly ‘loaded’ to begin with.
Win or lose, thx is a bitter, saggy old twat.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
sid132 wrote:
it was on a magazine photoshoot.
Sorry man, I’d bet dollars to donuts those were fake plates. Guys, these numbers are getting silly. Here’s Coleman benching 495 for 4 + 1:
I don’t no where he is in relation to contest prep/off season, but he looks like he could eat this other cat who claims to TRIPLE the number of reps at this weight. [/quote]
idk dood don’t take this personal but I don’t think you have very many big and strong men in your gym. I workout with guys who can do what ronnie did in this vid…in off season weights of 260-270+ also have you seen somebody in person at over 300lbs in near contest shape. I have and they are like freaking cartoons, and they lift some heavy freaking weights! lol
Ronnie is not in his off season weight and at his strongest there…also who knows what set that was, or what number exercise.
I think the reason why it is believeable to me is because I see big people lifting big weights when I’m in the gym every day (unless I’m at a ‘fitness club’ :S lol)
I deadlifted 505lbs for a solid 6 reps the other day and I’m only weighing 225ish on a good day at 6 feet tall. If I’m pushing 320lbs if I’m not banging out 650lbs for reps or more I’d be disappointed. I know this isn’t bench but you get my point. If there are people maxing out at 700+lbs to 1000lb benches then why not 495 for high reps?
500lbs is a lot of friggin weight and for 8-12 reps is insane, but it’s not like claiming to sleep with 20,000 women. I believe it is possible. Maybe not your everyday thing, but it is possible. Maybe someday he will prove he’s a liar, but until then I’m not calling BS. I’d like to see it but I wouldn’t argue with the man.
DG
Im jealous !
Here i am force feeding myself every day that man ONE meal !
Fuck sake man, what an animal.
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
sid132 wrote:
it was on a magazine photoshoot.
Sorry man, I’d bet dollars to donuts those were fake plates. Guys, these numbers are getting silly. Here’s Coleman benching 495 for 4 + 1:
I don’t no where he is in relation to contest prep/off season, but he looks like he could eat this other cat who claims to TRIPLE the number of reps at this weight.
idk dood don’t take this personal but I don’t think you have very many big and strong men in your gym. I workout with guys who can do what ronnie did in this vid…in off season weights of 260-270+ also have you seen somebody in person at over 300lbs in near contest shape.
I have and they are like freaking cartoons, and they lift some heavy freaking weights! lol
Ronnie is not in his off season weight and at his strongest there…also who knows what set that was, or what number exercise.
I think the reason why it is believeable to me is because I see big people lifting big weights when I’m in the gym every day (unless I’m at a ‘fitness club’ :S lol)
I deadlifted 505lbs for a solid 6 reps the other day and I’m only weighing 225ish on a good day at 6 feet tall. If I’m pushing 320lbs if I’m not banging out 650lbs for reps or more I’d be disappointed. I know this isn’t bench but you get my point. If there are people maxing out at 700+lbs to 1000lb benches then why not 495 for high reps?
500lbs is a lot of friggin weight and for 8-12 reps is insane, but it’s not like claiming to sleep with 20,000 women. I believe it is possible. Maybe not your everyday thing, but it is possible. Maybe someday he will prove he’s a liar, but until then I’m not calling BS. I’d like to see it but I wouldn’t argue with the man.
DG[/quote]
No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt. I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier.
I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason. Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt.
I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier. I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason. Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
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just curious WF… if someone claimed he bench pressed 405 lbs for 20 reps, would you think it believable?
[quote]1morerep wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt.
I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier. I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason.
Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
just curious WF… if someone claimed he bench pressed 405 lbs for 20 reps, would you think it believable? [/quote]
This guy has clearly only lifted around weak individuals. Ronnie Coleman is days/weeks away from a contest in nearly every video of him. That is what made people take notice of the weights he is lifting.
That means it would be foolish to assume he couldn’t lift even more than that if that is all he trained for and he was at his heaviest off season weight.
405lbs didn’t use to be so “unbelievable”.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt.
I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier. I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason.
Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
just curious WF… if someone claimed he bench pressed 405 lbs for 20 reps, would you think it believable? [/quote]
Yea, but only 'cause I’ve seen it. Kennelly I believe. With that, we’re talking about the biggest bencher of all time, not a guy no one’s ever heard.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
1morerep wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt.
I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier. I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason.
Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
just curious WF… if someone claimed he bench pressed 405 lbs for 20 reps, would you think it believable?
This guy has clearly only lifted around weak individuals. Ronnie Coleman is days/weeks away from a contest in nearly every video of him. That is what made people take notice of the weights he is lifting.
That means it would be foolish to assume he couldn’t lift even more than that if that is all he trained for and he was at his heaviest off season weight.
405lbs didn’t use to be so “unbelievable”.[/quote]
For crying out loud, we’re not talking about 405 we’re talking about 495. We’r also not talking about a max, we’re talking about repping it for 12. Also, I’m not saying you can’t prof but I’d be interested in a vid of you benching 450 for 8.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
1morerep wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt.
I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier. I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason.
Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
just curious WF… if someone claimed he bench pressed 405 lbs for 20 reps, would you think it believable?
This guy has clearly only lifted around weak individuals. Ronnie Coleman is days/weeks away from a contest in nearly every video of him. That is what made people take notice of the weights he is lifting.
That means it would be foolish to assume he couldn’t lift even more than that if that is all he trained for and he was at his heaviest off season weight.
405lbs didn’t use to be so “unbelievable”.
For crying out loud, we’re not talking about 405 we’re talking about 495. We’r also not talking about a max, we’re talking about repping it for 12. Also, I’m not saying you can’t prof but I’d be interested in a vid of you benching 450 for 8.
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The vid is in my profile and it is of me on an HS machine with no counter weight doing 10 45lb plates for 8 reps. I will pm it to you. I have no need to make shit up on a forum to impress you.
If I can do that much and if I hit 405 on the barbell bench several years ago, how is it so unbelievable that someone carrying that much more muscle than me could do 495? This isn’t powerlifting so hopefully you aren’t clueless enough to think it only counts if they lock out or touch their chest.
Your experience has been limited. I am glad mine wasn’t because the ability to think you can lift that much is essential to you ever having a fucking chance in hell of actually doing it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
1morerep wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:No offense taken at all. I’ve never personally seen anyone bench more than 405 for a few [4-6 I’d guess] and their form was horrible. Those who are benching 700+ do so with a bench shirt.
I belive there’s only been 2 men to ever do that much raw [I could be wrong]. The preacher curl claim is even wackier. I can all but gaurantee we never see the video 'cause this dude ducks out for some bullshit reason.
Once again, he changed his story multiple times as he was telling it and thus far has some very unimpressive lifts recorded. All that adds up to this guy talking out his ass.
just curious WF… if someone claimed he bench pressed 405 lbs for 20 reps, would you think it believable?
This guy has clearly only lifted around weak individuals. Ronnie Coleman is days/weeks away from a contest in nearly every video of him. That is what made people take notice of the weights he is lifting.
That means it would be foolish to assume he couldn’t lift even more than that if that is all he trained for and he was at his heaviest off season weight.
405lbs didn’t use to be so “unbelievable”.
For crying out loud, we’re not talking about 405 we’re talking about 495. We’r also not talking about a max, we’re talking about repping it for 12. Also, I’m not saying you can’t prof but I’d be interested in a vid of you benching 450 for 8.
The vid is in my profile and it is of me on an HS machine with no counter weight doing 10 45lb plates for 8 reps. I will pm it to you. I have no need to make shit up on a forum to impress you.
If I can do that much and if I hit 405 sweveral years ago, how is it so unbelievable that someone carrying that much more muscle than me could do 495? This isn’t powerlifting so hopefully you aren’t clueless enough to think it only counts if they lock out or touch their chest.[/quote]
So you machine benched 450 for 8. That’s cool, and impressive [I sure as shit can’t do it] but not a “real” bench. I didn’t think you were bullshitting, which is why I said what I did.
I fully understand constant tension, but not touching ones chest makes the lift easier, and if his bench is anything like his preachers his 12 reps at 495 is holding it a half inch from lockout for 12 seconds with his ass 6" off the bench.