Eastern USA SHW Champ Max Charles = WTF?

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[quote]hypnotoad wrote:

in the end, its how he looks on stage that will decide his placing in shows, not how much weight he moves, or his exercise form.

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This is very true. I was discussing with somebody the other day about Trey Brewer and they were wondering why he isn’t placing higher this year. I said he just didn’t bring it come competition day compared to the rest. The guy then said ‘but he’s 330 in the offseason!’

That is very real, in bodybuilding it doesn’t matter how much ya bench, or what your off season weight is. It matters what you bring to the stage come competition day and what the judges think of you.

DG

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Regardless of the amount he may be exaggerating or lying, the dude is a fucking monster. I look forward to some off season footage of him.

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Regardless of the amount he may be exaggerating or lying, the dude is a fucking monster. I look forward to some off season footage of him.[/quote]

With the uproar he’s created that’s a fore gone conclusion.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, this guy is impressively built and undoubtedly strong, but he’s also completely full of shit. He changed his story about how much he eats AS HE WAS TELLING IT and claims repping 350lb preachers when he was getting 10’s with 285lbs less [I know it was the day after a show and he was weaker, but c’mon]. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. I feel the same about Lockett.

You read this thread and came to the conclusion that the rest of us thought he looks like that from one meal a day?

As far as his strength goes, until we see him in his off season when he’s 30lbs heavier, calling him a liar on that may just be jumping the gun. 300lbs LEAN is nothing to play with.

I have no idea what ya’ll are thinking, and would never claim to. I do however have an idea that he’s outright lying. Dude is big and lean for sure, but with the form I saw and the weights he used I doubt he’s really benching 495 for 12 or preacher curling 350 for reps.

I can do 450lbs for 8 and this dude is WAY bigger than me. Why would it be impossible for him to do 495? You haven’t even seen pics of this guy when he is 30lbs heavier. That’s almost as heavy as Ronnie Coleman.[/quote]

…And Ronnie-who’s maybe the strongest bodybuilder of all time-benches 405 for 12.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, this guy is impressively built and undoubtedly strong, but he’s also completely full of shit. He changed his story about how much he eats AS HE WAS TELLING IT and claims repping 350lb preachers when he was getting 10’s with 285lbs less [I know it was the day after a show and he was weaker, but c’mon]. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. I feel the same about Lockett.

You read this thread and came to the conclusion that the rest of us thought he looks like that from one meal a day?

As far as his strength goes, until we see him in his off season when he’s 30lbs heavier, calling him a liar on that may just be jumping the gun. 300lbs LEAN is nothing to play with.

I have no idea what ya’ll are thinking, and would never claim to. I do however have an idea that he’s outright lying. Dude is big and lean for sure, but with the form I saw and the weights he used I doubt he’s really benching 495 for 12 or preacher curling 350 for reps.

To clarify, he never said he did it for reps, he said 350 was the most he’s done.[/quote]

Palumbo asked what’s the heaviest he uses for reps and he replied 350.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, this guy is impressively built and undoubtedly strong, but he’s also completely full of shit. He changed his story about how much he eats AS HE WAS TELLING IT and claims repping 350lb preachers when he was getting 10’s with 285lbs less [I know it was the day after a show and he was weaker, but c’mon]. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. I feel the same about Lockett.

You read this thread and came to the conclusion that the rest of us thought he looks like that from one meal a day?

As far as his strength goes, until we see him in his off season when he’s 30lbs heavier, calling him a liar on that may just be jumping the gun. 300lbs LEAN is nothing to play with.

I have no idea what ya’ll are thinking, and would never claim to. I do however have an idea that he’s outright lying. Dude is big and lean for sure, but with the form I saw and the weights he used I doubt he’s really benching 495 for 12 or preacher curling 350 for reps.

I can do 450lbs for 8 and this dude is WAY bigger than me. Why would it be impossible for him to do 495? You haven’t even seen pics of this guy when he is 30lbs heavier. That’s almost as heavy as Ronnie Coleman.

…And Ronnie-who’s maybe the strongest bodybuilder of all time-benches 405 for 12. [/quote]

You are judging someone’s max strength by what they work out with for several reps to build muscle? You don’t think Coleman could bench more than that? This guy has never even competed before and has simply been working on getting bigger and stronger for 10 years. His current size outdoes where Ronnie was at the same age.

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Imagine what this guy could do if he trained with Charles Glass or even at Westside for a while

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
You are judging someone’s max strength by what they work out with for several reps to build muscle? You don’t think Coleman could bench more than that? This guy has never even competed before and has simply been working on getting bigger and stronger for 10 years. His current size outdoes where Ronnie was at the same age. [/quote]

And it depends on the state he was in when filming the video and the technique he was using.

While I can preacher curl close to 200lbs I often use around 60lbs and simply by modifiying the lifting focus and rep method I can actually fail and look like I have parkinson disease after 8-10 reps.

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BTW, while the 350 preacher might seem a bit high it is not totally unbelievable. I once tested a 173lbs golfer at 205 on the STRICT preacher curl. So it is not totally unbelievable that a 270lbs guy (in contest shape, likely more than that off-season) might be able to do 300-350.

My friend hugo Girard once curled 315 in pretty strict form… he was around 315 on 6’3’’ and probably 12-14% body fat at that time.

I’m not saying that I believe the claim, simply that it is not impossible.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, this guy is impressively built and undoubtedly strong, but he’s also completely full of shit. He changed his story about how much he eats AS HE WAS TELLING IT and claims repping 350lb preachers when he was getting 10’s with 285lbs less [I know it was the day after a show and he was weaker, but c’mon]. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. I feel the same about Lockett.

You read this thread and came to the conclusion that the rest of us thought he looks like that from one meal a day?

As far as his strength goes, until we see him in his off season when he’s 30lbs heavier, calling him a liar on that may just be jumping the gun. 300lbs LEAN is nothing to play with.

I have no idea what ya’ll are thinking, and would never claim to. I do however have an idea that he’s outright lying. Dude is big and lean for sure, but with the form I saw and the weights he used I doubt he’s really benching 495 for 12 or preacher curling 350 for reps.

I can do 450lbs for 8 and this dude is WAY bigger than me. Why would it be impossible for him to do 495? You haven’t even seen pics of this guy when he is 30lbs heavier. That’s almost as heavy as Ronnie Coleman.

…And Ronnie-who’s maybe the strongest bodybuilder of all time-benches 405 for 12.

You are judging someone’s max strength by what they work out with for several reps to build muscle? You don’t think Coleman could bench more than that? This guy has never even competed before and has simply been working on getting bigger and stronger for 10 years. His current size outdoes where Ronnie was at the same age. [/quote]

We’re not talking about max strength, we’re talking about strength in the 10-12 range and this guy claims a full plate per side more than Coleman. There’s a vid of Coleman doing 495 for 4-5 then failing and I have a hard time believing a guy who claims to eat maybe once, no wait twice, alright three times but just beans and rice no meat, oh yea and chicken but just chicken can get that weight for 7-8 more.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
BTW, while the 350 preacher might seem a bit high it is not totally unbelievable. I once tested a 173lbs golfer at 205 on the STRICT preacher curl. So it is not totally unbelievable that a 270lbs guy (in contest shape, likely more than that off-season) might be able to do 300-350.

My friend hugo Girard once curled 315 in pretty strict form… he was around 315 on 6’3’’ and probably 12-14% body fat at that time.

I’m not saying that I believe the claim, simply that it is not impossible.[/quote]

Damn. Were the golfers other lifts as impressive?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
BTW, while the 350 preacher might seem a bit high it is not totally unbelievable. I once tested a 173lbs golfer at 205 on the STRICT preacher curl. So it is not totally unbelievable that a 270lbs guy (in contest shape, likely more than that off-season) might be able to do 300-350.

My friend hugo Girard once curled 315 in pretty strict form… he was around 315 on 6’3’’ and probably 12-14% body fat at that time.

I’m not saying that I believe the claim, simply that it is not impossible.

Damn. Were the golfers other lifts as impressive? [/quote]

Really not!!! He was one of the oddest case I’ve ever tested. Using Coach Poliquin’s structual balance tests (which requires a 4010 tempo) his preacher curl strength was almost up to par with his close-grip press while a proper ratio would have been 45%.

To be balanced with his 205 preacher he would have had to close-grip press 456lbs and he did 230 (I kid you not).

And the funny thing is that we didn’t even train arms directly.

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Were his arms freakishly disproportionate in size? How would you explain that kind of “isolated” strength? Tendon and/or muscle attachment? And for the record, if a 173lb golfer could close grip bench 400+ lbs I’d probably give up on lifting.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
I’m sorry, this guy is impressively built and undoubtedly strong, but he’s also completely full of shit.

He changed his story about how much he eats AS HE WAS TELLING IT and claims repping 350lb preachers when he was getting 10’s with 285lbs less [I know it was the day after a show and he was weaker, but c’mon]. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. I feel the same about Lockett.

You read this thread and came to the conclusion that the rest of us thought he looks like that from one meal a day?

As far as his strength goes, until we see him in his off season when he’s 30lbs heavier, calling him a liar on that may just be jumping the gun. 300lbs LEAN is nothing to play with.

I have no idea what ya’ll are thinking, and would never claim to. I do however have an idea that he’s outright lying. Dude is big and lean for sure, but with the form I saw and the weights he used I doubt he’s really benching 495 for 12 or preacher curling 350 for reps.

I can do 450lbs for 8 and this dude is WAY bigger than me. Why would it be impossible for him to do 495? You haven’t even seen pics of this guy when he is 30lbs heavier. That’s almost as heavy as Ronnie Coleman.

…And Ronnie-who’s maybe the strongest bodybuilder of all time-benches 405 for 12.

You are judging someone’s max strength by what they work out with for several reps to build muscle? You don’t think Coleman could bench more than that? This guy has never even competed before and has simply been working on getting bigger and stronger for 10 years. His current size outdoes where Ronnie was at the same age.

We’re not talking about max strength, we’re talking about strength in the 10-12 range and this guy claims a full plate per side more than Coleman. There’s a vid of Coleman doing 495 for 4-5 then failing and I have a hard time believing a guy who claims to eat maybe once,

no wait twice, alright three times but just beans and rice no meat, oh yea and chicken but just chicken can get that weight for 7-8 more.[/quote]

a lot of the ‘vids’ of ronnie you see are of him a few weeks out from the O or another competition. I know of 4 guys at my gym who can rep 405 on bench in the 8-12 range. Shoot there is vids of Branch Warren getting 6+ reps with that weight on incline press.

500lbs bench for 8+ reps coming from somebody who weighs probably 320+lbs in the off season isn’t that unbelievable. It’s a lot of weight and there are probably few people who can do it, but I don’t think its impossible.

Granted his eating habits and his story do sound strange…why would he lie?

Either way I’m sure we will see videos and stuff from this guy in the near future.

DG

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:

a lot of the ‘vids’ of ronnie you see are of him a few weeks out from the O or another competition. I know of 4 guys at my gym who can rep 405 on bench in the 8-12 range. Shoot there is vids of Branch Warren getting 6+ reps with that weight on incline press.

500lbs bench for 8+ reps coming from somebody who weighs probably 320+lbs in the off season isn’t that unbelievable. It’s a lot of weight and there are probably few people who can do it, but I don’t think its impossible.

Granted his eating habits and his story do sound strange…why would he lie?

Either way I’m sure we will see videos and stuff from this guy in the near future.

DG[/quote]

Good post…but I am surprised you had to explain that. Max Charles is OBVIOUSLY talking about the weight he lifts when at his heaviest weight SINCE HE NEVER DIETED DOWN FOR A COMPETITION BEFORE. Why compare that to a contest dieted down Ronnie Coleman?

Most bodybuilders wouldn’t be doing anywhere near as much as Ronnie right before a contest. We also have no clue how much Ronnie could have lifted had he gained even more weight, trained when he wasn’t so depleted or concentrated on his one rep max.

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In the end, the people are going to want to see him put up or shut up (I hope). Even if it’s the latter, the dude still looks better than 99% of people that try their hand at bodybuilding so oh well!

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There is a challenge up right now for him do his 300+ preacher curl on video in two weeks or so with close to $5G’s on the table.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
There is a challenge up right now for him do his 300+ preacher curl on video in two weeks or so with close to $5G’s on the table.[/quote]

is that a joke at this thread or for real somewhere? lol

DG

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Qaash wrote:
There is a challenge up right now for him do his 300+ preacher curl on video in two weeks or so with close to $5G’s on the table.

is that a joke at this thread or for real somewhere? lol

DG[/quote]

Nope…here it is

I think it’s stupid it has gotten to the point where individual achievement can’t be accepted when it surpasses the norm…even in bodybuilding.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:

a lot of the ‘vids’ of ronnie you see are of him a few weeks out from the O or another competition. I know of 4 guys at my gym who can rep 405 on bench in the 8-12 range. Shoot there is vids of Branch Warren getting 6+ reps with that weight on incline press.

500lbs bench for 8+ reps coming from somebody who weighs probably 320+lbs in the off season isn’t that unbelievable. It’s a lot of weight and there are probably few people who can do it, but I don’t think its impossible.

Granted his eating habits and his story do sound strange…why would he lie?

Either way I’m sure we will see videos and stuff from this guy in the near future.

DG

Good post…but I am surprised you had to explain that. Max Charles is OBVIOUSLY talking about the weight he lifts when at his heaviest weight SINCE HE NEVER DIETED DOWN FOR A COMPETITION BEFORE. Why compare that to a contest dieted down Ronnie Coleman?

Most bodybuilders wouldn’t be doing anywhere near as much as Ronnie right before a contest. We also have no clue how much Ronnie could have lifted had he gained even more weight, trained when he wasn’t so depleted or concentrated on his one rep max.
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Maybe I don’t remember it correctly, but didn’t Ronnie bench 5 plates a side for 6 or so in “cost of redemption” close to the O ? Either way, 500 for that many reps at a bodyweight of 320 is definitely no great surprise (though it’s still some feat!).