Early Gear Use to Reach Goals

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Pretty cool thread, havrnt read all of it yet but here is my contribution. It is long, so here are the cliff notes. Vitamin S is only a catalyst, not a mircale solution. Anyone who has a problem with someone taking them is a hater and a hypocrit if they like fake boobies. Mind your damned business and worry about yourself.

Maybe this analogy will make sense, i am doing very well for my age financially. I work hard and smart, study and read alot in my spare time and perform my best building the business i run for the parent company. I started in entry level and worked my way up the ladder very fast and for five years. I happen to have contacts in the organization that opened all of my doors, contacts that others didnt have. Without those contacts, i wouldnt be where i am today, i would still be doing good, still over performing and doing things on my own time and rising up, but i wouldnt have had the same doors open for me. That being said, i am still jusged and paid based on my performance, not my contacts and would never be where i am if i didnt bust my ass.

To me steroids are that special contact. Without them it would take you much longer to climb that corporate ladder, and in some cases they are the only way to get to the executive level. But the contact only opens the door. You still have to perform. I also have alot of former friends and people my age and older who hate me for it. They go so far to discredit my work and acheivements. No matter how much i raise my company’s sales or how many hours i put in busting my ass, to them i am a cheater and i dont deserve my good fortune. Sound familiar to the natty/steroids situation? Funny thing is they are all jealous haters who wont acheive anything even with those same contacts. Those who are on the same path to success, whether behind me or far far above me dont judge or discredit, thry applaud me or even help me by mentoring and teaching because we all know what it takes, with or without special help. The only difference is with steroids everybody has the same access to those special friends.

The only reason i wont do them know is because i dont feel my goals need them at this time, but as i get older and my test levels drop, you better bet your site injected butt cheeks ill be on TRT or something of the sort.

Zraw, kudos to starting a very good thread.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
As a kind of an off shoot of this question…

How would you guys feel about someone who is a little older, been in the iron game for a while, knows a few things about training and nutrition and has built a good physique.

What if said individuals life becomes much busier and they aren’t able to dedicate the same time and effort that they once were.

What if that person wasn’t able to “put in the work” anymore and decided to use in order to maintain/possibly improve their current physique with less effort?

How would you guys feel about that individual? Somewhat similar to the young kid but with just different circumstances.[/quote]

there’s nothing wrong with anyone using aas/gh/peptides/slin anything

anyone who gives a fuck is a fucking joke… this is supposed to be a fucking bodybuilding forum lmao…

these clowns have annoyed the shit out of every every poster here that went on to be an IFBB pro

a lot of people here should be ashamed of themselves and keep their fucking shit to themselves[/quote]

I agree. I was just curious to what the “he’s an idiot/master the craft/put in the work” crowd thought.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
Anyone who has a problem with someone taking them is a hater and a hypocrit if they like fake boobies. [/quote]

so you are saying that a guy using synthetic preparations of testosterone and derrivatives thereof to create real genuine flesh and blood is the same as a girl taping water ballons to her chest?

fascinating. im guessing you’re natural

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[quote]tworkinhard wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
I base my level of respect toward other lifters on their work ethic and mastery of craft. There have been few occasions during my years in the gym when a junior lifter has demonstrated both. The vast majority of the youngsters I have known that chose to go the ASS route were not training/eating properly to begin with and were looking to avoid hard work, not augment it. There could be exceptions…but they are rare. [/quote]

I’m sorry I didn’t get the memo telling me BBing was really hard to learn…[/quote]

Spoken like a youngster that still has the ‘someone else buys my shitpaper’ smile on their face. [/quote]

Srs question what is Mastery of the Craft of BBing? [/quote]

Mastery - Comprehensive knowledge or skill in a subject or accomplishment.
Craft - Skill in doing or making something.

Not trying to be a dick, but this kinda raised my eyebrows. To me, mastery of the craft of bodybuilding means applying different training, diet, and recovery techniques/theories/approaches over weeks, months, years with the goal of gradually learning more and more about your body… and maybe even bodybuilding in general (tenants/principles that apply to other people too, not just you). Years of hard work, critical analysis, and experimentation lead to a large body (pun intended) of knowledge as to what works FOR YOU.
IMHO, when certain people use steroids, they have less incentive to master the craft of bodybuilding. Why take the time to figure out what works for your body when you can take some of the thinking/trial & error/hard work out of the equation with AAS? There is nothing inherently wrong with this approach; as zraw said, if a person’s goal is to “rent” a physique for a certain length of time, knowing that when they discontinue AAS they have to “return” most of what they rented, then it’s all good. To each their own. Personally however, I have more respect for and more in common with a “thinking man’s bodybuilder” - someone who desires to master their body and its potential, regardless of whether or not that person is using AAS. [/quote]

So your telling me a guy who takes AAS spends hundreds of dollars on the stuff wouldn’t want to figure out what works for him? Your kidding me? Just because you hear of people cycling and doing Fckall to make progress is hardly representative of majority of steroid users.

Its no different then the countless Natties who dump money into supplements and make no gains either.

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That’s why I prefaced what I said re: steroid use with “certain people”. But I totally agree with you, a lot of those who use AAS are dead serious about every other aspect of their diet and training. Nothing but respect for those people. But in my experience, I have seen just as many who use and have absolutely no idea what they’re doing: diet, training, AAS, general health, etc.

Difference between newbs dumping money into AAS and supplements is that steroids actually work… MOST supps are worthless. Said newbs using AAS might have less incentive to “figure out what works” for them because they are experiencing gains regardless. Also, AAS use carries some potential health risks that most supps do not.

Anyway, the thrust of my previous post was really just that I think that bodybuilding is a craft; something that takes years of trial and error to master (or even to get close). Kinda off topic from the OP, my bad.

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and btw, andrew bayer is the shit. Anjuna beats/deep was my jam back in the day.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Anyone who has a problem with someone taking them is a hater and a hypocrit if they like fake boobies. [/quote]

so you are saying that a guy using synthetic preparations of testosterone and derrivatives thereof to create real genuine flesh and blood is the same as a girl taping water ballons to her chest?

fascinating. im guessing you’re natural[/quote]

In the context of artificially enhancing their body by unnatural means in order to make their bodies more physically appealing? Yes.

And it was a joke so chill out mr hostile.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
Pretty cool thread, havrnt read all of it yet but here is my contribution. It is long, so here are the cliff notes. Vitamin S is only a catalyst, not a mircale solution. Anyone who has a problem with someone taking them is a hater and a hypocrit if they like fake boobies. Mind your damned business and worry about yourself.

Maybe this analogy will make sense, i am doing very well for my age financially. I work hard and smart, study and read alot in my spare time and perform my best building the business i run for the parent company. I started in entry level and worked my way up the ladder very fast and for five years. I happen to have contacts in the organization that opened all of my doors, contacts that others didnt have. Without those contacts, i wouldnt be where i am today, i would still be doing good, still over performing and doing things on my own time and rising up, but i wouldnt have had the same doors open for me. That being said, i am still jusged and paid based on my performance, not my contacts and would never be where i am if i didnt bust my ass.

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good analogy bro
but when its time for a little penis stroking guess who those contacts are gonna call lol
at the end of the day you are their slave the same way steroid users are to their drugs.
you get something you give something away just a matter of weighting pro nd cons
and no matter how you slice it there are no overwhelming benefits to it
you can still build a decent physique and get pussy without the extra expense (both wallet and health) so wtf is the point
you want to be a PRO ? get ready of a real rough path

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Pretty cool thread, havrnt read all of it yet but here is my contribution. It is long, so here are the cliff notes. Vitamin S is only a catalyst, not a mircale solution. Anyone who has a problem with someone taking them is a hater and a hypocrit if they like fake boobies. Mind your damned business and worry about yourself.

Maybe this analogy will make sense, i am doing very well for my age financially. I work hard and smart, study and read alot in my spare time and perform my best building the business i run for the parent company. I started in entry level and worked my way up the ladder very fast and for five years. I happen to have contacts in the organization that opened all of my doors, contacts that others didnt have. Without those contacts, i wouldnt be where i am today, i would still be doing good, still over performing and doing things on my own time and rising up, but i wouldnt have had the same doors open for me. That being said, i am still jusged and paid based on my performance, not my contacts and would never be where i am if i didnt bust my ass.

[/quote]

good analogy bro
but when its time for a little penis stroking guess who those contacts are gonna call lol
at the end of the day you are their slave the same way steroid users are to their drugs.
you get something you give something away just a matter of weighting pro nd cons
and no matter how you slice it there are no overwhelming benefits to it
you can still build a decent physique and get pussy without the extra expense (both wallet and health) so wtf is the point
you want to be a PRO ? get ready of a real rough path
[/quote]

lol get bent bro no one cares what u think

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[quote]tworkinhard wrote:
and btw, andrew bayer is the shit. Anjuna beats/deep was my jam back in the day.[/quote]

I like you.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
Pretty cool thread, havrnt read all of it yet but here is my contribution. It is long, so here are the cliff notes. Vitamin S is only a catalyst, not a mircale solution. Anyone who has a problem with someone taking them is a hater and a hypocrit if they like fake boobies. Mind your damned business and worry about yourself.

Maybe this analogy will make sense, i am doing very well for my age financially. I work hard and smart, study and read alot in my spare time and perform my best building the business i run for the parent company. I started in entry level and worked my way up the ladder very fast and for five years. I happen to have contacts in the organization that opened all of my doors, contacts that others didnt have. Without those contacts, i wouldnt be where i am today, i would still be doing good, still over performing and doing things on my own time and rising up, but i wouldnt have had the same doors open for me. That being said, i am still jusged and paid based on my performance, not my contacts and would never be where i am if i didnt bust my ass.

[/quote]

good analogy bro
but when its time for a little penis stroking guess who those contacts are gonna call lol
at the end of the day you are their slave the same way steroid users are to their drugs.
you get something you give something away just a matter of weighting pro nd cons
and no matter how you slice it there are no overwhelming benefits to it
you can still build a decent physique and get pussy without the extra expense (both wallet and health) so wtf is the point
you want to be a PRO ? get ready of a real rough path
[/quote]

lol get bent bro no one cares what u think[/quote]

x2

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Don’t have time to read the whole thread, but here is my two cents.

If someone can’t gain their first 20 lbs unaided, they should reconsider taking up the lifting thing altogether. You shouldn’t have to get on gear for that. That person should probably eat more and/or lift harder/more intelligently.

If I ever chose to do AAS, it wouldn’t be to weigh 175 haha.

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[quote]trivium wrote:
Don’t have time to read the whole thread, but here is my two cents.

If someone can’t gain their first 20 lbs unaided, they should reconsider taking up the lifting thing altogether. You shouldn’t have to get on gear for that. That person should probably eat more and/or lift harder/more intelligently.

If I ever chose to do AAS, it wouldn’t be to weigh 175 haha.[/quote]

Maybe you shouldve read the thread…

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bunch of sensitive roiders in here lol
getting ego bruised over nothing
do more pct bro nd dont get mad at me for your shrinking balls

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
bunch of sensitive roiders in here lol
getting ego bruised over nothing
do more pct bro nd dont get mad at me for your shrinking balls
[/quote]

lol no one is mad, ur just like the sterotypical annoying kid in bodybuilding forums and on youtube who watches ronnie coleman videos and posts “roids”

u wouldnt happen to be “steroidsareforlosers” would u?

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hahahah steroidsareforlosers is a legend don’t you dare rag him

In regards to the OP, I feel like we’re always a noob and always learning in some way, so why not start using after you’ve reached an intermediate level? I honestly think that as soon as I start using, I’ll think that I should’ve used earlier.

In regards to the current discussion, who cares lol. If I stay natty, there will be natty/PED bros bigger and smaller than me always. If I use, the same thing will be true. I think we all just have to make our own decisions, and decide how shitty we want to be or how far we want to take it, and then have our actions follow that.

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[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
bunch of sensitive roiders in here lol
getting ego bruised over nothing
do more pct bro nd dont get mad at me for your shrinking balls
[/quote]

lol no one is mad, ur just like the sterotypical annoying kid in bodybuilding forums and on youtube who watches ronnie coleman videos and posts “roids”

u wouldnt happen to be “steroidsareforlosers” would u?[/quote]

nah bro thats not me
I admire the pros
I am a bodybuilding fan which is why I am here
I know there are some pros who came out of these forums
buts its ignorant to think that every 150 pounder has the potential to go on the same path if they use early
people need to get their priority str8 thats all
I question the point of adopting the risk and lifestyle (not what it looks like on magazines!!) of a pro without competing ? jsut so you can stare longer at your reflection in the mirror ??

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who’s to say that 20 yr old will not get sick of BB and start seeking other interest? many quit training before their 10 yr mark. you’ve all seen those ‘‘jack of all trades’’ who seem to have new favorite song every week. those personalities lack passion and wont last in BB and soon grow to regret the choices they made. for those who aren’t, fuck it go for it. if you’re gonna go pro then start early and enjoy nice run in the career(Shawn Ray, levrone comes to mind). Just be realistic and make sure you’re cut out for BB.
BTW, Zraw, is that the avatar you’ve always had? you’re looking friggin jacked now!

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[quote]ronald1919 wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
bunch of sensitive roiders in here lol
getting ego bruised over nothing
do more pct bro nd dont get mad at me for your shrinking balls
[/quote]

lol no one is mad, ur just like the sterotypical annoying kid in bodybuilding forums and on youtube who watches ronnie coleman videos and posts “roids”

u wouldnt happen to be “steroidsareforlosers” would u?[/quote]

nah bro thats not me
I admire the pros
I am a bodybuilding fan which is why I am here
I know there are some pros who came out of these forums
buts its ignorant to think that every 150 pounder has the potential to go on the same path if they use early
people need to get their priority str8 thats all
I question the point of adopting the risk and lifestyle (not what it looks like on magazines!!) of a pro without competing ? jsut so you can stare longer at your reflection in the mirror ??
[/quote]

the risk of a pro? idk if anyone here is running as much aas/gh/slin/peps/painkillers/stimulants/fat burners/diuretics as a pro…

of course i could be mistaken

u sound pretty bitter, and u are hilariously ignorant. “stare longer at your reflection in the mirror”…lol u tight huh bro?

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no you are right mirrors are lame
maybe you want to have a gay entourage
that would be the pinnacle of your manhood according to X lol