[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
zraw is old as fuck im only 23 ;)[/quote]
Fml haha[/quote]
real talk tho i hope to be ur size/development by the time im ur age… which is 25 still right?
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
zraw is old as fuck im only 23 ;)[/quote]
Fml haha[/quote]
real talk tho i hope to be ur size/development by the time im ur age… which is 25 still right?[/quote]
Yep still 25!
Imo you can be bigger than that in 2yrs!
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
zraw is old as fuck im only 23 ;)[/quote]
Fml haha[/quote]
real talk tho i hope to be ur size/development by the time im ur age… which is 25 still right?[/quote]
Yep still 25!
Imo you can be bigger than that in 2yrs![/quote]
Hold on i thought you were natty?
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
zraw is old as fuck im only 23 ;)[/quote]
Fml haha[/quote]
real talk tho i hope to be ur size/development by the time im ur age… which is 25 still right?[/quote]
Yep still 25!
Imo you can be bigger than that in 2yrs![/quote]
Hold on i thought you were natty?
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Who said i wasnt?
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This is another big reason why, imo, waiting until one is a bit older is advisable. This is not a knock on anyone’s intelligence or even dedication: zraw and Walkway, e.g., are both still quite young enough that they may decide that being serious about lifting doesn’t fit into their life plan/goals a few years from now. At that point, the AAS use will probably be regarded as a mistake.
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Maybe i read it wrong, its just that this post makes it sound like your aren’t. (not that you said it)
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
zraw is old as fuck im only 23 ;)[/quote]
Consider it food for thought then.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This is another big reason why, imo, waiting until one is a bit older is advisable. This is not a knock on anyone’s intelligence or even dedication: zraw and Walkway, e.g., are both still quite young enough that they may decide that being serious about lifting doesn’t fit into their life plan/goals a few years from now. At that point, the AAS use will probably be regarded as a mistake.
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Maybe i read it wrong, its just that this post makes it sound like your aren’t. (not that you said it)[/quote]
Zraw is just messing with your head.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This is another big reason why, imo, waiting until one is a bit older is advisable. This is not a knock on anyone’s intelligence or even dedication: zraw and Walkway, e.g., are both still quite young enough that they may decide that being serious about lifting doesn’t fit into their life plan/goals a few years from now. At that point, the AAS use will probably be regarded as a mistake.
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Maybe i read it wrong, its just that this post makes it sound like your aren’t. (not that you said it)[/quote]
Zraw is just messing with your head.[/quote]
now im realy confused!
I could say im on 2g tren and be lying
I could say im natty and be lying
Letting ppl assume what they feel appropriate is fine with me
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]Myosin wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This is another big reason why, imo, waiting until one is a bit older is advisable. This is not a knock on anyone’s intelligence or even dedication: zraw and Walkway, e.g., are both still quite young enough that they may decide that being serious about lifting doesn’t fit into their life plan/goals a few years from now. At that point, the AAS use will probably be regarded as a mistake.
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Maybe i read it wrong, its just that this post makes it sound like your aren’t. (not that you said it)[/quote]
Zraw is just messing with your head.[/quote]
now im realy confused!
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No need for confusion, there is too much of that purposely placed into this industry.
Zraw’s goal is to go Pro.
'nuff said.
[quote]zraw wrote:
I could say im on 2g tren and be lying
I could say im natty and be lying
Letting ppl assume what they feel appropriate is fine with me[/quote]
Thats cool with me, ur physique is pretty much a goal for me, and i guess a lot of people around here as well.
But a lot of people won’t do what is needed to get where they wana be.
[quote]Myosin wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]Myosin wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
This is another big reason why, imo, waiting until one is a bit older is advisable. This is not a knock on anyone’s intelligence or even dedication: zraw and Walkway, e.g., are both still quite young enough that they may decide that being serious about lifting doesn’t fit into their life plan/goals a few years from now. At that point, the AAS use will probably be regarded as a mistake.
[/quote]
Maybe i read it wrong, its just that this post makes it sound like your aren’t. (not that you said it)[/quote]
Zraw is just messing with your head.[/quote]
now im realy confused!
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No need for confusion, there is too much of that purposely placed into this industry.
Zraw’s goal is to go Pro.
'nuff said.[/quote]
I understand the need for secrecey especially in places where it is illegal.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
But a lot of people won’t do what is needed to get where they wana be. [/quote]
lol oh god…
so much truth!
[quote]Myosin wrote:
The thing is with other hobbies, once you lose interest you end up with a garage full of expensive crap, here you may have risked the quality and quantity of your life and perhaps some legal trouble as well, not to mention the cash investment. One could argue you get more bang for your buck vs supplements though.
Also young guys tend to have an air of invincibility, believing any negatives happen to other people and never themselves. Consider side effects from drug use as under-reported like STDs.
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I think that this point is often overlooked and understated: there can be very serious consequences of AAS use if done improperly. It’s the type of thing that can be out of your control (e.g. getting a bad supply or whatnot) that can have serious consequences.
I’m 26 right now. Whether or not I would want to use at, say, 28, I have too easy a time seeing 40-year-old me slapping 20-something me in the head and asking, “Seriously, man, is it worth the numerous risks you’d be taking? Seriously?” And I don’t really have an answer to that. I guess I just don’t want it bad enough, which is fine.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]Myosin wrote:
The thing is with other hobbies, once you lose interest you end up with a garage full of expensive crap, here you may have risked the quality and quantity of your life and perhaps some legal trouble as well, not to mention the cash investment. One could argue you get more bang for your buck vs supplements though.
Also young guys tend to have an air of invincibility, believing any negatives happen to other people and never themselves. Consider side effects from drug use as under-reported like STDs.
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I think that this point is often overlooked and understated: there can be very serious consequences of AAS use if done improperly. It’s the type of thing that can be out of your control (e.g. getting a bad supply or whatnot) that can have serious consequences.
I’m 26 right now. Whether or not I would want to use at, say, 28, I have too easy a time seeing 40-year-old me slapping 20-something me in the head and asking, “Seriously, man, is it worth the numerous risks you’d be taking? Seriously?” And I don’t really have an answer to that. I guess I just don’t want it bad enough, which is fine.[/quote]
this is true, but ive also seen a lot of older guys (mid-late thirties +) try aas and basically kick themselves for “waiting so long”
I don’t see the huge deal outside the legal risks. The majority of awesome looking people use lol, and it’s not like some simple cycles carry near the legal/health/financial burdens that IFBB pro type cycles do. Regardless, it’s everyone’s individual decision and I’m sure there will be criticisms for everyone on the spectrum of natty to assisted.
edit: also for me, height is a factor. I don’t see many tall natural bodybuilders looking very massive
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
No one tells me I’m cheating myself when I take an Advil to clear up a headache, no one tells the cancer patient that they didn’t earn their remission because they used chemo.
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Wouldn’t steroid used for a beginner be more analogous to using morphine to stop a headache rather than a Tylenol?
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I don’t see the huge deal outside the legal risks. The majority of awesome looking people use lol, and it’s not like some simple cycles carry near the legal/health/financial burdens that IFBB pro type cycles do. Regardless, it’s everyone’s individual decision and I’m sure there will be criticisms for everyone on the spectrum of natty to assisted.
edit: also for me, height is a factor. I don’t see many tall natural bodybuilders looking very massive[/quote]
See Myosin’s conjecture about probable (this is speculation) underreporting of negative effects associated with people who make mistakes.
I mean, let’s not sh** ourselves: this stuff is far more complex than most even in this (relatively well-informed) thread want to admit. As someone who has had to seek TRT due to a head injury I sustained as a teenager, I can tell you that most endocrinologiests do not really appreciate the full effects of manipulating hormones just to establish normalcy, much less to do so in dosages that go far beyond what has been meticulously medically studied.
If you get a bad supply or screw up your injection protocol in certain ways, that can be something that is simply a problem you’re going to have to deal with going forward.
Which is not to say that anyone should or should not do it; instead, my point is simply that to pretend like there are no physiological risks goes beyond silly and into the realm of reckless. When I read Walkway’s posts, at least I see that he understands the choices he’s making, putting aside whether I think he’s old enough to be making those decisions. But if you go on a steroid board, there are some stupid f-ing people screwing around with these things, god forbid that they do something that has consequences for themselves and their families in the longer term.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
No one tells me I’m cheating myself when I take an Advil to clear up a headache, no one tells the cancer patient that they didn’t earn their remission because they used chemo.
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Wouldn’t steroid used for a beginner be more analogous to using morphine to stop a headache rather than a Tylenol?[/quote]
Good point.
But again, I do wish the “cheat” shit would stop. Unless you are in an organized sport with specific rules against it, people using that term for bodybuilders in the gym makes no sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
No one tells me I’m cheating myself when I take an Advil to clear up a headache, no one tells the cancer patient that they didn’t earn their remission because they used chemo.
[/quote]
Wouldn’t steroid used for a beginner be more analogous to using morphine to stop a headache rather than a Tylenol?[/quote]
Good point.
But again, I do wish the “cheat” shit would stop. Unless you are in an organized sport with specific rules against it, people using that term for bodybuilders in the gym makes no sense.[/quote]
x2 - If it was never made illegal people’s views would be different. In the UAE codeine is illegal, possession means 4 years in prison but steroids are over the counter.