[quote]PGA200X wrote:
malonetd wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…
I disagree – especially in powerlifting. First, top level competitors are always, or at least should be, looking to become more techinically proficient.
Secondly, everyone’s form breaks down at near max lifts. If it doesn’t, you’re not near your max.
First, top level competitors are always, or at least should be, looking to become more techinically proficient.
There is a WORLD of difference between perfecting form and cleaning up a train wreck.[/quote]
Those were some pretty heavy weights for your size, good job on making some progress. I do think you should drop the weight on most of your lifts by about 10% or so and improve your form before trying to go much heavier. You’ve definitely got some sticking points, you may want to have those analyzed so you can alter your routine a bit.
The lifter shall face the front of the platform with the bar laid horizontally in front of the lifters feet,
gripped with an optional grip in both hands and lifted until the lifter is standing erect.
On completion of the lift the knees shall be locked in a straight position and the shoulders back.
The Chief Referee?s signal shall consist of a downward movement of the arm and the audible command ?down?. The signal will not be given until the bar is held motionless and the lifter is in the apparent finished position. If the bar is shaking when at the knee area, although not exactly pure, this is not cause for failure.
Any raising of the bar or any deliberate attempt to do so will count as an attempt. Once the attempt has begun no downward movement is allowed until the lifter reaches the erect position with the knees locked. If the bar settles as the shoulders come back this should not be reason to disqualify the lift.
Causes for Disqualification of a Dead Lift.
Any downward movement of the bar before it reaches the final position.
Failure to stand erect with the shoulders back.
Failure to lock the knees straight at the completion of the lift.
Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift. If the bar edges up the thigh but is not supported this is not reason for disqualification. The lifter should benefit in all decisions of doubt made by the referee.
Stepping backward or forward, although lateral movement of the foot or rocking feet between ball and heel is permitted.
Lowering the bar before receiving the Chief Referee?s signal.
Allowing the bar to return to the platform without maintaining control with both hands, i.e. : releasing the bar from the palms of the hand.
Failure to comply with any of the items outlined under Rules of Performance.
[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Let me put this in understandable terms:
In my fed. (IPF) it is not allowed to pull the bar like he does up his tighs. Even if it is a smooth and slow movement, without hitching, it is not allowed as long as he drags the weights on his tighs. [/quote]
I have lifted in the IPF, APF, USAPL, and if YOUR IPF judges are not reading their own rule book u need to square them away…
Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift. If the bar edges up the thigh but is not supported this is not reason for disqualification. The lifter should benefit in all decisions of doubt made by the referee.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
redsox348984 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…
i look forward to you posting your “spot on” max lifts
5 reping with a rounded back is not maximal…[/quote]
Everyone’s form breaks down a bit on a true 1rm, but his back was rounded on his first of the 5rm indicating that it is still a chronic problem. The improvement he has made has been substantial and he is a strong kid for his size. A few months of slightly lowered weights and extra attention paid form would pay off immensely though. He needs to spend a little time focusing on his weaknesses rather than his strengths. His form is still painful to watch, but now at least I can tell he is deadlifting.
Get it right and you will win a “Most Improved” award from somebody.
Why do so many people recommend I focus on my lockout strength when that’s what I’ve been doing for a while with the rack pull. It’s even in the pull progress video. The 500x1 from below my knees (second clip in the progress vid) was good in my eyes because there was no hitching or ramping.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
You guys are stupid. Really. He ramps the weight up his thighs, and takes a 45 second rest in the middle of his 405x5.
And you think he deserves props for shit like that?
Body Guard - you need help. A lot of it. [/quote]
He may not be world-class strong but by the judgements of the vast majority of people he is a strong SOB. A 3x bodyweight deadlift is pretty fucking good, even if the form was a little shaky. Yes I do think he deserves props for shit like that.
Nice work on improving your form and gaining strength. A couple things I saw that might help. Your feet on the 405x5 look like they are too far apart. It seems like your knees we coming together.
Second, for the start of the lift it looks like you are jerking it off the floor causing you legs to straighten to fast relative to your hips. Try getting very tight and squeezing the bar off the floor. This should help you get in a better anatomical position for the top portion. At this point I don’t think rack lock outs will help since your are able to get yourself into a different anatomical position that your full range pulls.
Another training option would be with chains or reverse band deadlift. Then you would have full range of motion but be able to get the benefit of the greater weight at the top.
First, congrats to DW on cleaning up your form, at least in the 5x405 lift. There is still room for improvement, but I’m glad you’ve put in the effort to correct some of the issues, I had doubts that you would do so after seeing some of your responses to earlier questions on your forms. You are a strong little fucker, and it would be great to see someone like you putting bigger guys to shame in the gym.
Second, it is obvious DW has the desire and puts in time in the gym. However, I understand why there is so much backlash due to previous threads where there was a lot of talk back and forth. I think we should all be able to move past this and recognize the lifts for what they are. If this were the first vid you had posted ever, you would probably get nothing but accolades.
Third, the reason competition form and red lights were brought up, were in response to an earlier assesment that those lifts would’ve passed in any PL federation. I don’t powerlift(or at least compete) so I wouldn’t know the first thing about judging in such a manner, but it was not Firebug or Adamsson who even brought up those assertions in the first place, so stop ripping on them for defending their position about whether those would’ve passed or not.
Finally, the thing that is getting me about this whole thread is how it absolutely exploded into one big pissing contest. Bodyguard, you may feel that you are only defending your position, but you are coming across as a prick. This may not matter to you, but I think a better amount of civility should be shown here, stating your position without snide remarks or namecalling would get the point across without detracting from your point.
hey, i give props to anybody who does reps with deadlifts period. sumo style and in a suit, i can pull close to 700, but 405x5 conventional and RAW, though still pretty routine for me, makes me a little sick to my stomach.
deadlifts and singles go together like peanut butter and jelly imho, or maybe i am just old fat and out of shape…?
[quote]DieselWeasel wrote:
Why do so many people recommend I focus on my lockout strength when that’s what I’ve been doing for a while with the rack pull. It’s even in the pull progress video. The 500x1 from below my knees (second clip in the progress vid) was good in my eyes because there was no hitching or ramping.[/quote]
simple, if you are still hitching at the top, despite your working on that “weakness” you still have yet more work there to be done.
do you have similar form on 135x5? how about 225x5? i doubt it. everybody has geat form with with “light” weights, it is when we hit near maximum loads our form breaks down and our weaknessess get exposed. which is a good thing! that lets us know what we need to work on to get to the next level.
if you are stalling and hitching at lockout with 475, then 500 will not be there for you unless you fix that weak link.
[quote]DieselWeasel wrote:
Why do so many people recommend I focus on my lockout strength when that’s what I’ve been doing for a while with the rack pull. It’s even in the pull progress video. The 500x1 from below my knees (second clip in the progress vid) was good in my eyes because there was no hitching or ramping.[/quote]
DW,
When you set up for you DL try “puffing” up your chest. Stick it out high and proud. This might help you get your hips down and it will help to keep you from doing a roundback lift from the start, which seems to be many people’s focus for commentary without bothering to offer suggestions on how to fix it.
Perhaps if you try practicing some olympic lifts it would help to teach you to keep your hips down and chest out. You can also work some good mornings from pins (bottom start point) to help strengthen the back and keep it straight during the movement.
Good luck sir.
Sensless
PS Teach me how to tear a phone book, my fiance is annoyed by the fact I have 25 of the buggers stashed in the house and can’t rip 25 pages of 'em.
[quote]sensless wrote:
DieselWeasel wrote:
Why do so many people recommend I focus on my lockout strength when that’s what I’ve been doing for a while with the rack pull. It’s even in the pull progress video. The 500x1 from below my knees (second clip in the progress vid) was good in my eyes because there was no hitching or ramping.
DW,
When you set up for you DL try “puffing” up your chest. Stick it out high and proud. This might help you get your hips down and it will help to keep you from doing a roundback lift from the start, which seems to be many people’s focus for commentary without bothering to offer suggestions on how to fix it.
Perhaps if you try practicing some olympic lifts it would help to teach you to keep your hips down and chest out. You can also work some good mornings from pins (bottom start point) to help strengthen the back and keep it straight during the movement.
Good luck sir.
Sensless
PS Teach me how to tear a phone book, my fiance is annoyed by the fact I have 25 of the buggers stashed in the house and can’t rip 25 pages of 'em.
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Holy shit. I’m NEVER, EVER, posting a video on this site. A lot of you are fucking dickheads. There is constructive criticism, and then being an asshole. There was both, but the assholes were in abundance here.
I admire that DW is pulling reps with that weight. I vastly outweigh him, and have yet to break that kind of weight from the floor. He has displayed a lot of patience for putting up with so much shit from a bunch of armchair referees. He also displayes a lot of heart and determination training his ass off like that. Give the guy some credit without being a dickface. People only posted several dozen times that same goddam thing about form, etc.
I really was unimpressed with bashing the referee that lent some pertinent points. Granted, it doesn’t matter whether or not he competes in PL or the IPF. The fact is that he wanted to show progress, and NOBODY FUCKING CARES HOW CLOSE TO LEGAL ALL THOSE REPS WERE!!! Get of the high horse and quit being so pedantic, all of you!
If people didn’t eat big plates of retard daily, more of us would feel safe about asking innocent and relevant training questions to become better at our pursuits.
[quote]djoh615893 wrote:
Holy shit. I’m NEVER, EVER, posting a video on this site. A lot of you are fucking dickheads. There is constructive criticism, and then being an asshole. There was both, but the assholes were in abundance here.
I admire that DW is pulling reps with that weight. I vastly outweigh him, and have yet to break that kind of weight from the floor. He has displayed a lot of patience for putting up with so much shit from a bunch of armchair referees. He also displayes a lot of heart and determination training his ass off like that. Give the guy some credit without being a dickface. People only posted several dozen times that same goddam thing about form, etc.
I really was unimpressed with bashing the referee that lent some pertinent points. Granted, it doesn’t matter whether or not he competes in PL or the IPF. The fact is that he wanted to show progress, and NOBODY FUCKING CARES HOW CLOSE TO LEGAL ALL THOSE REPS WERE!!! Get of the high horse and quit being so pedantic, all of you!
If people didn’t eat big plates of retard daily, more of us would feel safe about asking innocent and relevant training questions to become better at our pursuits.
