DW's Pull Progress

  1. I was not bragging about my DL, i was trying to make a point… do you think Mirko Filipovic’s trainer can kick anyones ass? :stuck_out_tongue: No… is he therefore unable to come with tips relating to martial arts…? ofcourse not.

  2. the rule i was thinking about is:

Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift. If the bar edges up the thigh but is
not supported this is not reason for disqualification. The lifter should benefit in all decisions of doubt
made by the referee.

One can discuss what supporting is and is not, but as said: I have seen better lifts get red lights. That is my opinion. And ofcourse you can disagree, but acting like a jackass won’t get you far. The point about me being “all negative” is still moot. I HAVE said, and i can repeat… once more… that his progress has been nice, and that he is lifting far better than before. Perfect? no way… room for much improvement? YES… And I was not the one bringing meet-lift-judging into the debate… :wink:

[quote]Adamsson wrote:

  1. I was not bragging about my DL, i was trying to make a point… do you think Mirko Filipovic’s trainer can kick anyones ass? :stuck_out_tongue: No… is he therefore unable to come with tips relating to martial arts…? ofcourse not. [quote]

Dude, in all fairness, YOU are the one that raised your DL as a basis for your “informed opinion” to put it nicely. Now live with the criticism.

[quote]
2) the rule i was thinking about is:

Supporting the bar on the thighs during the performance of the lift. If the bar edges up the thigh but is
not supported this is not reason for disqualification. The lifter should benefit in all decisions of doubt
made by the referee. [quote]

I see no evidence that the bar was supoorted on his thighs. Of course we were not there to witness the lift and viewing a video cannot put us in a position to judge a technical subtlety. But of course, our very own Miss National Ref didn’t even claim he rested the weight on his thighs.

[quote]
One can discuss what supporting is and is not, but as said: I have seen better lifts get red lights. That is my opinion. And ofcourse you can disagree, but acting like a jackass won’t get you far. The point about me being “all negative” is still moot. I HAVE said, and i can repeat… once more… that his progress has been nice, and that he is lifting far better than before. Perfect? no way… room for much improvement? YES… And I was not the one bringing meet-lift-judging into the debate… :wink: [/quote]

The thread never was intended to tout this guy’s lifting form or imply that he was perfect. But those lifts certainly didn’t deserve the criticism that it received and the criticism he received in the past. Most of the threads were unecessarily negative and coming from people that could not begin to duplicate 405x5. And judging by your one rep max DL, you’re not too much stronger than this kid.

Should he be attempting these weights? No - he has too many weaknesses in his chain - he is not fully developed. I could go on and on. But this particular video didn’t deserve any kind of scorn from the legions of arm chair lifters around here. And it certainly didn’t deserve a “national ref” coming here, from a shambles of a “sport” talking about how she would have red lighted his 5 rep gym lifts. C’mon, you’re kidding me right? Give the fucking kid a break.

Is he weird? I dunno, probably. But how many of you could put even part of your life on tape, post it on the internet and not get criticism. Should he be attempting these weights? No - I’ve said that. Could he use work on his weaknesses and hence correct his form problems? Yes.

But the fact is, at his weight, the kid is hella strong and he’s making progress and lastly, for those that forgot what TESTOSTERONE is, he’s got balls to attempt the big weights. Is he smart about it? No. But he’s got balls.

Now if he’s smart, he’ll read this thread, ignore you haters, but maybe a lightbulb will shine and he’ll realize he has many weaknesses to work on to ensure that he continues to make progress and that he stays injury free.

Did his old videos deserve this level of scorn? Absolutely yes. Does some of his lifting still deserve scorn? Absolutely yes. Is he blindly determined? Yes, as are many that that ultimately succeed. But this 405x5 DL and those front squats do not deserve this level of criticism.

Give the guy a damn break or start posting your lifts with video evidence before you give your opinion.

[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
The lifter should benefit in all decisions of doubt.

I call bullshit back.
When was this little portion added to IPF rules?

The lifter always gets the benefit of the doubt.

For as long as I’ve been lifting in the USAPL, part of the IPF, I’ve known about this rule. [/quote]

becuase it isn’t a lift to be bragging about. i do more raw and i dont brag about it because its not heavy enough in my opinion to be called impressive.

I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…

What’s that song playing in the background?

Your form went from horrible to merely bad.

Lower your weights a little bit and bring it up to good before you hurt yourself.

You are a chiropracters wet dream.

Bodyguard… I was not putting my DL up as “evidence”… :slight_smile: But I understand now, you take verything I write in the worst possible interpretation, try to flame and generally act like a troll! I thought you were after a mature discussion, you aren’t. Now I’ll know who NOT to answer in the further debates on this forum…

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
The last powerlifting contest i was at was the norwegian nationals in January… :wink: And well, those lifts would never have been approved, period. One can say that DW has improved, but stating that this is good form is doing him a short-term service, like pissing in the pants to keep warm… it sucks when the pants freeze… :wink: No use telling the guy that he lifts good, when he obviously doesen’t. [/quote]

Not to fight my superiors, but the first couple were clean and may have been approved. That being said, his form was not perfect and he should not be using so much back.

Side note to DW, you look almost like you’re doing stiff legged unless my memory fails me. I would try getting a little deeper down initially until the weight is up to lock out with your back.

BTW you are strong for your size. Don’t hurt yourself because you want to prove it to the world.

Well, let us do a little short version:

  1. DW doesen’t compete, so wether or not his lifts are IPF approved isn’t very relevant, my fault.

  2. DW is strong for his size/weight, that is clear.

  3. DW has bad form, and should drop the weights to decrease the chance for injury and get better in the long run.

it isn’t harder than that… :wink:

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Bodyguard… I was not putting my DL up as “evidence”… :slight_smile: But I understand now, you take verything I write in the worst possible interpretation, try to flame and generally act like a troll! I thought you were after a mature discussion, you aren’t. Now I’ll know who NOT to answer in the further debates on this forum…
[/quote]

LOL Troll huh? Well, again reading comprehension is challenged here. I never went after you personally until you started debating me. I meant the general tone of the responses to the poor bastard - not just yours. Get over it. You don’t ever have to respond again - I’ll sleep. But if want to have an intelligent discussion I’m game. Heck, I’ll be the first to extend the olive branch - I apologize for offending you.

[quote]BlakedaMan wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
The last powerlifting contest i was at was the norwegian nationals in January… :wink: And well, those lifts would never have been approved, period. One can say that DW has improved, but stating that this is good form is doing him a short-term service, like pissing in the pants to keep warm… it sucks when the pants freeze… :wink: No use telling the guy that he lifts good, when he obviously doesen’t.

Not to fight my superiors, but the first couple were clean and may have been approved. That being said, his form was not perfect and he should not be using so much back.

Side note to DW, you look almost like you’re doing stiff legged unless my memory fails me. I would try getting a little deeper down initially until the weight is up to lock out with your back.

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C’mon bro, how dare you debate her…don’t you know she’s a “national ref”??? Are you even ranked? (her words to me in a PM not mine). I’m a PL just so you know but PL is a fucking joke - I figured that out years ago.

[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Well, let us do a little short version:

  1. DW doesen’t compete, so wether or not his lifts are IPF approved isn’t very relevant, my fault.

  2. DW is strong for his size/weight, that is clear.

  3. DW has bad form, and should drop the weights to decrease the chance for injury and get better in the long run.

it isn’t harder than that… :wink: [/quote]

Good post.

I’ve got to admit, it’s a lot better than it used to be. But, man, I’m 37 years old and watching his low back curvature makes MY back hurt. I don’t know how old DW is, but when he gets into his 30s, his spine will not be as forgiving as it is now. Get that form completely taken care of before it’s too late.

DB

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…[/quote]

I disagree – especially in powerlifting. First, top level competitors are always, or at least should be, looking to become more techinically proficient.

Secondly, everyone’s form breaks down at near max lifts. If it doesn’t, you’re not near your max.

[quote]malonetd wrote:
PGA200X wrote:

Secondly, everyone’s form breaks down at near max lifts. If it doesn’t, you’re not near your max.[/quote]

so true.

[quote]TTewell342 wrote:
superscience wrote:
DieselWeasel wrote:
http://media.putfile.com/max_pull_progress

lol poor form. And your a pussy, needing a suit to deadlift 475lbs lol. I say you would be lucky to deadlift 400lbs raw.

Wow that made you sound really fucking stupid. That comment made you look like as much of an ass as DW. No one is getting 75 lbs out of a DL suit. Yes, i said NO ONE. I’m talking about DL suits here so if I got technical and got into pulling sumo and actually getting a carryover, you would surely be lost as you are now.[/quote]

yeah that comment was a tad stupid, i was on tilt lol.

[quote]PGA200X wrote:
I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…[/quote]

i look forward to you posting your “spot on” max lifts :wink:

[quote]malonetd wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…

I disagree – especially in powerlifting. First, top level competitors are always, or at least should be, looking to become more techinically proficient.

Secondly, everyone’s form breaks down at near max lifts. If it doesn’t, you’re not near your max.[/quote]

First, top level competitors are always, or at least should be, looking to become more techinically proficient.

There is a WORLD of difference between perfecting form and cleaning up a train wreck.

[quote]redsox348984 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
I dont think after a year someones form should have “improved,” it should be SPOT ON by now…

i look forward to you posting your “spot on” max lifts :wink:
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5 reping with a rounded back is not maximal…