[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
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I experienced #2 and #3
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
What happened was that sometimes the vas deferens leak after being cut and this in turn causes an autoimmune reaction. My urologist says he sees a pretty fair number of men who have had a vasectomy and develop issues 10 or 15 years on with T levels. The widely reported drop in Western European and N. American T levels does parallel the rise of the vasectomy, so something is going on.
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A few points:
The autoimmune reaction is towards a man’s sperm, not T production. The body sees his own sperm as a foreign intruder and attacks the sperm as it’s produced. This is one of the reasons why vasectomies may not be reversible; it’s not as easy as simply reattaching the tubes.
Second, the issues that manifest themselves 10-15 years later can very well be explained because now the man is 10-15 years older. For the sake of arguement, if the average age of someone getting a vasectomy is 38, is it unreasonable to think that if they were to have issues with T production that they would occur in a man’s early 50s?
Lastly, the reduction in T production parallels the rise in lots of things: cell phone usage, number of computers in the home, Jay Cutler interceptions, kale intake, etc. Correlation is not causation.
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Jay Cutler interceptions LOL !
2 on his list is one of the big secrets of getting a V. The party line is that sperm is 5% of ejaculate so there is a minimal difference before and after a vasectomy. The reality is that the vas deferens are the main connection to the seminal vesicles which make 75% of the ejaculate. Getting snipped shuts that down. (Easy to tell. If they are working, semen is really sticky and there is a lot more of it and if not it is mostly prostatic fluid which is watery.) In many men, they not merely don’t have enough to squirt any more, they often can’t quite finish an ejaculation. Now, a lot of men do not have a problem, but you won’t know until after the fact. I had this and once I got a reversal, it went away. Oh and orgasms are waaaay better post reversal. Harder, stronger you name it. Never quite feel like a finished one while I had the vasectomy.
I also had a major drop in T levels after the vasectomy and this has been reversed with drug therapy (fortunately I responsed well to clomid + aromatase inhibitors). Of course I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I did not have such a great experience with a vasectomy and am glad I got it reversed. I really cannot recommend this procedure to anyone.
YMMV,
– jj
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
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I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]
Thanks. Do you or anyone else see any truth to the following comment that was posted regarding the link I provided?
“One thing that Iâ??ve noticed from talking with other guys who have had the procedure. Those who had it a long time ago (10+ years) didnâ??t seem to have as many side effects. In the last 10 years or so, it has become the common practice to cauterize (seal shut by burning with lasers) the ends of the vas deferns (the tube that gets cut and tied). All the guys I know who had a vasectomy before this was common, havenâ??t had any side effects, all the guys I know who have had vasectomies in the last 5 to 10 years regret it because of having similar pains as the ones I have, and also many have had the â??castration effectâ?? (gaining weight like a eunich) due to lowered testosterone levels.”
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
2 on his list is one of the big secrets of getting a V. The party line is that sperm is 5% of ejaculate so there is a minimal difference before and after a vasectomy. The reality is that the vas deferens are the main connection to the seminal vesicles which make 75% of the ejaculate. In many men, they not merely don’t have enough to squirt any more, they often can’t quite finish an ejaculation. Now, a lot of men do not have a problem, but you won’t know until after the fact. I had this and once I got a reversal, it went away. Oh and orgasms are waaaay better post reversal. Harder, stronger you name it. Never quite feel like a finished one while I had the vasectomy.
I also had a major drop in T levels after the vasectomy and this has been reversed with drug therapy (fortunately I responsed well to clomid + aromatase inhibitors). Of course I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I did not have such a great experience with a vasectomy and am glad I got it reversed. I really cannot recommend this procedure to anyone.
YMMV,
– jj [/quote]
Thanks.
That 5% point was one of the few things he did make sure to mention. I would be interested to see if anyone else here has experienced this side effect.
My impression is that the dude writing this is a head case, even looking at his positives.
- He says he lasts much longer. Why? Is he saying this is because of the vasectomy?
- Less urinary urgency. Why would a vasectomy affect this?
Negatives:
- No blue balls - seems reasonable, not sure why it’s a negative, though.
- Dribbler, not a shooter - it’s been 10 years since his vasectomy. It could very well just be age.
- No more morning wood unless he drinks a lot of OJ - could be age, or maybe he has a citrus fetish.
- The vasectomy has indirectly caused him to fall into porn! And there it is, wait til he starts soliciting dudes in truck stop bathrooms, I bet he’ll blame the vasectomy for that as well.
5)Test level is low, but…he has nothing pre-vasectomy to compare it to. And he can’t describe the mechanism by which snipping the vas deferens would cause test production to drop.
Even ignoring his crappy math ( I am 43 and after 3 kids at 36 … one of us needed to do something to prevent additions to it…I had the vasectomy 10 years ago), all he’s done is describe some of the affects of getting older. Truth be told, I can’t shoot loads and hit the ceiling anymore either, but I’m not blaming it on the vasectomy, nor is it the cause of some existential crisis.
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
[/quote]
I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]
Thanks. Do you or anyone else see any truth to the following comment that was posted regarding the link I provided?
“One thing that Iâ??ve noticed from talking with other guys who have had the procedure. Those who had it a long time ago (10+ years) didnâ??t seem to have as many side effects. In the last 10 years or so, it has become the common practice to cauterize (seal shut by burning with lasers) the ends of the vas deferns (the tube that gets cut and tied). All the guys I know who had a vasectomy before this was common, havenâ??t had any side effects, all the guys I know who have had vasectomies in the last 5 to 10 years regret it because of having similar pains as the ones I have, and also many have had the â??castration effectâ?? (gaining weight like a eunich) due to lowered testosterone levels.”[/quote]
OK, quick note. Cauterizing the ends causes sperm to back up (“back pressure”) which can damage the epididymis and in turn causes an auto-immune reaction. In my case, I was cauterized but since I decided to hump the old lady a few days later, the ends ruptured. This probably saved me from a lot of other suffering. It is this auto-immune reaction (in up to 90% of men) that can cause severe pain in the testes (PVPS = post-vasectomy pain syndrome). I didn’t have that like some guys and I understand it can be truly hellish.
– jj
[quote]cueball wrote:
I’m going to resurrect this thread as I’m scheduled to have this procedure done next month. The consult was lightning fast. Doc scribbled a pic of a sac with tubes and drew some sperm and the letter “T”. Gave a quick spiel about it not affecting T and whatever. Spent all of about 5-10 minutes with him. I chalked this up to efficient office stuff and getting to the next patient mores than unprofessional. He has around 30 years experience, if that means anything.
Anyway, I wanted to revisit the Low T/hypogonadism topic and see whether or not any of you have experienced anything like this person’s experience described on the web page below. I know I probably shouldn’t be rummaging around the web for this stuff as you can pretty much find the answer you WANT to find, good or bad.
I have also read a few things about vasectomies interfering with blood flow to the testicles, hampering their function.
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
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Blocked at work “sex education”…
Give me a couple to figure out how to view it and I can answer.
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
OK, quick note. Cauterizing the ends causes sperm to back up (“back pressure”) which can damage the epididymis and in turn causes an auto-immune reaction. In my case, I was cauterized but since I decided to hump the old lady a few days later, the ends ruptured. This probably saved me from a lot of other suffering. It is this auto-immune reaction (in up to 90% of men) that can cause severe pain in the testes (PVPS = post-vasectomy pain syndrome). I didn’t have that like some guys and I understand it can be truly hellish.
– jj[/quote]
Ha! I did the same thing, except I whipped up a batch 3 days later. After that, I noticed a lump in my sack the size of a die. I went back to my urologist and he said I basically just shot part of my load into my sack but that it would be reabsorbed by my body eventually.
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
[/quote]
I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]
Thanks. Do you or anyone else see any truth to the following comment that was posted regarding the link I provided?
“One thing that IÃ?¢??ve noticed from talking with other guys who have had the procedure. Those who had it a long time ago (10+ years) didnÃ?¢??t seem to have as many side effects. In the last 10 years or so, it has become the common practice to cauterize (seal shut by burning with lasers) the ends of the vas deferns (the tube that gets cut and tied). All the guys I know who had a vasectomy before this was common, havenÃ?¢??t had any side effects, all the guys I know who have had vasectomies in the last 5 to 10 years regret it because of having similar pains as the ones I have, and also many have had the Ã?¢??castration effectÃ?¢?? (gaining weight like a eunich) due to lowered testosterone levels.”[/quote]
OK, quick note. Cauterizing the ends causes sperm to back up (“back pressure”) which can damage the epididymis and in turn causes an auto-immune reaction. In my case, I was cauterized but since I decided to hump the old lady a few days later, the ends ruptured. This probably saved me from a lot of other suffering. It is this auto-immune reaction (in up to 90% of men) that can cause severe pain in the testes (PVPS = post-vasectomy pain syndrome). I didn’t have that like some guys and I understand it can be truly hellish.
– jj[/quote]
So you weren’t clamped, the cauterized? Not sure I’m following. The above quote also talks about resultant lower T and all that entails. I was under the assumption the PVPS was due to having shit cut in you sac. Elaborate?
I’ve had none of those issues, not at all.
I wish it helped me last longer. I’m not 25 anymore… Can’t do two in a row.
Also, I’ve never popped hard without a lot of playing around first. If it was just a quick rubbing one out to pop one, or a quickie they were always on the lessor side. Edge a few times, or have prolonged foreplay and I’ll be all porn actor, but not acting about it.
I never was a power washer with it, so…
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
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I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]
Doogie, can you elaborate on your answer?
Regarding #2, is it more so the less force behind it, or is it in general just not as satisfying.
Regarding #3, was the lack of morning wood experienced directly after, few years after, what? Any other physical issues that may have contributed to your lack of wood in the morning?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’ve had none of those issues, not at all.
I wish it helped me last longer. I’m not 25 anymore… Can’t do two in a row.
Also, I’ve never popped hard without a lot of playing around first. If it was just a quick rubbing one out to pop one, or a quickie they were always on the lessor side. Edge a few times, or have prolonged foreplay and I’ll be all porn actor, but not acting about it.
I never was a power washer with it, so… [/quote]
Thanks, beans.
Any specific things about your experience or post-op routine you feel may or may not have kept you from some of these issues? Still trying to figure out why some are experiencing this while others are not.
Is it a crap shoot? I don’t like gambling.
How many here who have had this procedure are on TRT? Did you get on before or after? (I realize that these aren’t inherently related, just curious.)
Had vasectomy 10 years ago, went on TRT two years ago.
[quote]cueball wrote:
Any specific things about your experience or post-op routine you feel may or may not have kept you from some of these issues? [/quote]
I get off… a lot. Whether with the wife or not…
Not sure if that helps, gross or what, but I’m like borderline should see a shrink about it, lol.
I can’t think of anything.
[quote] Still trying to figure out why some are experiencing this while others are not.
Is it a crap shoot? I don’t like gambling.[/quote]
My dad has no issues with anything at all, lol. My stepdad… Who knows I don’t think he and my mom have fooled around in decades.
My uncle is good, co-workers…
If it is a gamble, the odds are better you’ll get hit by an asteroid likely.
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
[/quote]
I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]
Doogie, can you elaborate on your answer?
Regarding #2, is it more so the less force behind it, or is it in general just not as satisfying.
Regarding #3, was the lack of morning wood experienced directly after, few years after, what? Any other physical issues that may have contributed to your lack of wood in the morning?[/quote]
#2–much less volume, much less force, not as satisfying. I’m grasping at a way to explain it. You know when you orgasm and you can feel you whatever is contracting to expel the sperm kind of meet resistance? That is gone. It just kind of goes.
#3–I can’t really attribute this to the vasectomy. Not sure when it started after the vasectomy.
Vasectomy 15 years ago or so. TRT for three years now. I had massive weight gain after starting psychiatric medications about 7 years ago. Sleep apnea associated with the weight gain.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
Any specific things about your experience or post-op routine you feel may or may not have kept you from some of these issues? [/quote]
I get off… a lot. Whether with the wife or not…
Not sure if that helps, gross or what, but I’m like borderline should see a shrink about it, lol.
I can’t think of anything.
[quote] Still trying to figure out why some are experiencing this while others are not.
Is it a crap shoot? I don’t like gambling.[/quote]
My dad has no issues with anything at all, lol. My stepdad… Who knows I don’t think he and my mom have fooled around in decades.
My uncle is good, co-workers…
If it is a gamble, the odds are better you’ll get hit by an asteroid likely.
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Lol. I know the odds are in my favor, I just don’t like thinking about what ifs. How long after did you resume activities, solo or otherwise?
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
[quote]doogie wrote:
[quote]cueball wrote:
So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?
See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.
[/quote]
I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]
Doogie, can you elaborate on your answer?
Regarding #2, is it more so the less force behind it, or is it in general just not as satisfying.
Regarding #3, was the lack of morning wood experienced directly after, few years after, what? Any other physical issues that may have contributed to your lack of wood in the morning?[/quote]
#2–much less volume, much less force, not as satisfying. I’m grasping at a way to explain it. You know when you orgasm and you can feel you whatever is contracting to expel the sperm kind of meet resistance? That is gone. It just kind of goes.
#3–I can’t really attribute this to the vasectomy. Not sure when it started after the vasectomy. [/quote]
Regarding #2, this result was immediately after?