Does Vasectomy Cause Low Test?

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

So, anyone experience what this particular person has experienced? Known anyone who has? Do I just have pre-game jitters?

See the “negatives” section a few paragraphs down.

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I experienced #2 and #3[/quote]

Doogie, can you elaborate on your answer?

Regarding #2, is it more so the less force behind it, or is it in general just not as satisfying.

Regarding #3, was the lack of morning wood experienced directly after, few years after, what? Any other physical issues that may have contributed to your lack of wood in the morning?[/quote]

#2–much less volume, much less force, not as satisfying. I’m grasping at a way to explain it. You know when you orgasm and you can feel you whatever is contracting to expel the sperm kind of meet resistance? That is gone. It just kind of goes.

#3–I can’t really attribute this to the vasectomy. Not sure when it started after the vasectomy. [/quote]
Regarding #2, this result was immediately after?[/quote]

Yes

No one else experienced the “lack of force” doogie describes?

I had mine over thirteen years ago. I haven’t had any ill effects: no pain, no decrease in ejaculate, no loss of T or any other crazy thing I can think of. I do have less “force” when I ejaculate, but I attribute that to age. Specifically, I think it has to do with “normal” prostate enlargement associated with aging. The longer it takes me to pee, the less force I bust with. There seems to be some variability in this. When I get my diet, activity, rest, etc. just right, my prostate seems to do better. A couple natural supplements seem to help as well. I use DIM and stinging nettle root. They both help to decrease bound testosterone, therefore leaving more as free. That’s good for T levels, and it spares the prostate to an extent; the prostate is the most “preferred” site for T to bind.

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

Any specific things about your experience or post-op routine you feel may or may not have kept you from some of these issues? [/quote]

I get off… a lot. Whether with the wife or not…

Not sure if that helps, gross or what, but I’m like borderline should see a shrink about it, lol.

I can’t think of anything.

[quote] Still trying to figure out why some are experiencing this while others are not.

Is it a crap shoot? I don’t like gambling.[/quote]

My dad has no issues with anything at all, lol. My stepdad… Who knows I don’t think he and my mom have fooled around in decades.

My uncle is good, co-workers…

If it is a gamble, the odds are better you’ll get hit by an asteroid likely.
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Lol. I know the odds are in my favor, I just don’t like thinking about what ifs. How long after did you resume activities, solo or otherwise?[/quote]

By the fifth or sixth day I could rub one out if I was gentle. Prob two weeks before I didn’t have to go easy.

But for a long while, if my wife grabbed them just right, they’d be tender.

The nervousness is normal. This is your best buddy we’re talking about here man.

[quote]Dr J wrote:
I had mine over thirteen years ago. I haven’t had any ill effects: no pain, no decrease in ejaculate, no loss of T or any other crazy thing I can think of. I do have less “force” when I ejaculate, but I attribute that to age. Specifically, I think it has to do with “normal” prostate enlargement associated with aging. The longer it takes me to pee, the less force I bust with. There seems to be some variability in this. When I get my diet, activity, rest, etc. just right, my prostate seems to do better. A couple natural supplements seem to help as well. I use DIM and stinging nettle root. They both help to decrease bound testosterone, therefore leaving more as free. That’s good for T levels, and it spares the prostate to an extent; the prostate is the most “preferred” site for T to bind.[/quote]

Thanks for the insight and sharing your experience.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:

Any specific things about your experience or post-op routine you feel may or may not have kept you from some of these issues? [/quote]

I get off… a lot. Whether with the wife or not…

Not sure if that helps, gross or what, but I’m like borderline should see a shrink about it, lol.

I can’t think of anything.

[quote] Still trying to figure out why some are experiencing this while others are not.

Is it a crap shoot? I don’t like gambling.[/quote]

My dad has no issues with anything at all, lol. My stepdad… Who knows I don’t think he and my mom have fooled around in decades.

My uncle is good, co-workers…

If it is a gamble, the odds are better you’ll get hit by an asteroid likely.
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Lol. I know the odds are in my favor, I just don’t like thinking about what ifs. How long after did you resume activities, solo or otherwise?[/quote]

By the fifth or sixth day I could rub one out if I was gentle. Prob two weeks before I didn’t have to go easy.

But for a long while, if my wife grabbed them just right, they’d be tender.

The nervousness is normal. This is your best buddy we’re talking about here man. [/quote]

Wondering if not waiting to bust and being too eager can cause other things to happen, like busted blood vessels or such, that are causing these things to occur?
Again, thanks for the personal info.

Also, thanks to all who have responded so far. Much appreciated!

[quote]jj-dude wrote:
Well… It can.

Lemme 'splain. I got snipped in 1998. Was done having kids. Fast forward to 2012. I decided to get it reversed because I was with a woman and we wanted kids. This costs a ton and is never covered by insurance. I had never had much of an issue with Test, but not too long afterwards my T levels tanked (under 300). Ended up going on Clomid (an artificial estrogen) to raise it (that worked and I’m still on it 2 years later and Test levels are 850 - 900. Wahoo!) So I am doing fine.

What happened was that sometimes the vas deferens leak after being cut and this in turn causes an autoimmune reaction. My urologist says he sees a pretty fair number of men who have had a vasectomy and develop issues 10 or 15 years on with T levels. The widely reported drop in Western European and N. American T levels does parallel the rise of the vasectomy, so something is going on.

Oh and they do cut the vas deferens which includes the direct connection between your nuts and the rest of the reproductive system. Some guys are wired so they quit working, or they get PVPS (post-vasectomy pain syndrome). On one of the boards I was reading, a fair number of the guys had to have their nuts removed due to orchitis. Yikes! I was ok, but my urologist also said he treats a lot of guys who get it and then everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Officially this is a non-issue (though I read some place that the guideline was changing when telling men of this risk.) He thinks that something like 3% of men have a bad response initially and up to 15% have long term serious issues from a vasectomy.

FWIW I am really wouldn’t advise anyone to get a vasectomy.

So if you had it, yes, Test levels might be going haywire, especially if it has been several years.

YYMV

– jj[/quote]

Hey, jj. I wanted to clarify something about this post with you since you have been vocal about not doing this.

You have been talking about a vasectomy possibly killing T production, but after re-reading this post, it seems you didn’t run into this issue until AFTER you had it reversed. I this the case? Can you elaborate?

[quote]cueball wrote:

So you weren’t clamped, the cauterized? Not sure I’m following. The above quote also talks about resultant lower T and all that entails. I was under the assumption the PVPS was due to having shit cut in you sac. Elaborate?[/quote]

Yes. Clamped then cauterized: It was truly weird smelling my nether regions burning while talking to the urologist about his vacation in Prague.

PVPS comes from several sources, but one of the worst ones is orchitis = inflammation of the testes and this is because the body has a swift and strong immune reaction to sperm leaking where it shouldn’t (common post-op) that attacks the testes. On one reversal board I was on there were several cases of guys whose testes were excruciatingly destroyed over a few weeks and more than a few ended up getting a partial or full orchiectomy (surgical removal of the inflammed testes).

Another major cause occurs if the snip is really close to the testes. When sperm tries to move out is blocked so every time the guy has an orgasm he gets bad back pressure and really sore nuts as in feels like you got racked. I used to get a mild case of this – uncomfortable to be sure, but more of an annoyance. Again since the ends of my snips were leaking, I basically had safety valves on them.

[Edit to answer your question, since I ended up repeating most of the post you quoted.]

My levels were dropping pre-op and the hope was that it would reverse itself post-op. No such luck and they tanked. It was post-op that I started taking drugs. These have worked well.

– jj

Several months after I had the vasectomy I felt like crap. I check my blood levels and all my hormones were lower. My total testosterone before vasectomy was 625, my free t was 17, after the vasectomy my TT was 267 and my free was 6.5. When I asked them why my hormones changed so much after the vasectomy, they told me because I was 6 months older!!!. Anyways, the vase

My wife likes to tell me the story of how her and her younger sister were ‘accidents’.

When we first met I was shocked at how she described her and her sister’s conception; “we were accidents”, she would say. I questioned her parents’ psychology and what kind of creeps would tell their own kids that…not when they were angry…all the damn time! It was normal to them. I remember in the beginning thinking to myself, wtf is wrong with these scumbags?

As it turned out, after her parents’ third child (3rd boy), her dad elected for a vasectomy vs. his wife getting her tubes tied. I’m sure they kept pounding away for years and then one day, her mom finds out that she’s pregnant.

I still hear her tell people to this day that, “he had a vasectomy but it just wouldn’t take.” Almost sounds very manly (as in, 'not even a doctor’s scalpel can stop my balls from making sperm!) and yet very strange…‘wouldn’t take’ sounds as if he had a transplant or blood transfusion.

Granted, English is not her parent’s first language, but they speak it fluently, don’t have any accent (lived in US for over 40 years now) and I know THEY KNOW that there was/is a better way to phrase their daughter’s conception. I still have a slight disdain toward them for making their daughters comfortable walking around willy-nilly telling people, “I was an accident!” with a smile on their faces.

Not “you two were wonderful mistakes”, not “we weren’t planning on having you”, not even “the doctor must not have done a complete job with the vasectomy, and that’s why we have you two”…just, “you two were a mistake”.

Sorry for the de-railing with my anecdote.

I’d never let a doc open up my sack and snip and sew me back up. Too afraid of a jokester doc telling me he accidentally cut my dick and or balls off, or he just realized I wasn’t getting gender ‘reassignment surgery’, etc. Also a phobia of it never working again, no more orgasms, etc etc etc.

Still want 1 or 2 more kids anyways. I told my wife to get off the pill years ago as it made her into a bitch so I’ll either start TRT or convince her to get her tubes tied eventually.

As an aside, she is Mexican. For those that haven’t been with a Mexican woman, there are many a joke about the sheer ease of getting one of them pregnant. Thus, I constantly joke that when when my wife wants another kid, I’ll give her the ‘special’ look and she can buy a pregnancy test a month from then.

Growing up, Mexican girls always seemed to gravitate toward me and were always more open about being attracted to me than white girls (I’m white). My father’s best friend would always pull me aside as if he were about to give me a serious talk and say, “You know you gotta be careful around those Mexican girls, all it takes is direct eye contact with them for a couple of seconds and then BAM! They’re pregnant with twins and your life is over! Wrap it up 3 times at least if you hold hands too…”

I haven’t read this whole thread, but about 20 or so years ago I got it done, the surgeon said he burnt if off thoroughly.

If I use a testosterone booster, might it have a greater chance of growing back, that is the vas deferens?

Vasectomy screwed me really bad