Do This Routine Instead of That Dumb One

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
@wannabebig: Pretty much what Synergy said. I’d add that if you really have trouble feeling your lats even when yousing straps you could start with a little preactivation before starting your lat work. I’ll usually have people do 3 light sets of 15 of stiff arm rope pulldowns holding the contraction before pullups/pulldowns. When you’re doing pulldowns you should have your chest puffed out and when pulling down, consciously focus on pulling your elbows down to your sides as opposed to pulling the handles down with your hands if that makes sense. I feel the slow negatives help as well on that. [/quote]

thanks KB. im gonna try the slow negatives you suggest, and holding at peak contraction like synergy mentioned. i just find even though i dont “feel” the burn or pump in my lats they are the one bodypart that stands out. just cause im short i guess my back looks wider lol. its the lower lat tie-in i really need to work on.

[quote]Kvetch wrote:
If I were to recommend a pre-set routine then Dorian’s Blood & Guts trainers are difficult to beat. Decent 4-way split with full video demonstration of warm-up, form and importantly, intensity. Also includes some very clear justification from the always awesome DY.

As for the goal of the thread, I don’t really see the problem. People will read about a few routines and modify them to fit their circumstances, equipment, strengths and taste etc. and should be encouraged to post it for a sanity check. IMHO this is good use of a forum and no need to get sand in your vagina about it. If you don’t want to help someone with their routine and point out they might want to train legs instead of a 4th bicep day or whatever crazy thing they want to do, don’t open the thread.
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Truth: Most people asking for critique of their routines are NOT ready to be designing their own routine yet and could benefit from following an intelligently designed preset routine until they really start to figure this stuff out more. This thread is basically an attempt to help those people in the most efficient manner I could think of. Much respect to DY and if you train like he does in those videos and make great progress that’s good for you, keep it up. I think it would have been a good idea for you to take your own advice and not opened THIS thread. And lol @ “sand in your vagina.” Boy you really got me with that one, huh?

Everyone alright with me adding this to the sticky?

[quote]mr popular wrote:
Everyone alright with me adding this to the sticky?[/quote]

Everyone except Kvetch probably, lol.

Anyway, here’s a higher frequency routine that I’ve used with great success for those who want to try hitting each bodypart 2x a week and have 6 days a week to workout. People like to call this “push/pull/legs.”

*1 set to failure for each exercise except where otherwise noted
*rest 90-120 secs between ramp sets and up to 3 mins before final set to failure
*should be able to finish these workouts in an hour or less
Monday - Chest/Shoulders/Tri’s

Lo Incline Dumbbell Press- 3x4-8
Decline Barbell Press- 2x6-10
Seated overhead Barbell press- 3x6-10
Cable Lateral raises- 3x6-10
Shrugs- 3x6-10
Lying Behind the head extensions- 3x6-10
1 arm overhead extensions- 2x6-10

Tuesday - Back/Bi’s/Calves

Weighted Pull ups- 3x4-6
Seated straight bar Rows- 3x8-10
Pinwheel Curls- 3x4-8
Incline curls- 3x4-8
Standing Calf Raises- 3x4-8 (2)
Leg Press Calf Raises- 2x12-15

Wednesday - Legs/Abs

Seated Leg Curls- 3x6-10
RDL’s- 3x6-10
Leg Press- 3x6-10
Front Squats- 3x4-8
Weighted crunches- 3x12-15
Weighted planks- 3x30secs (weight on lowerback/glutes)

Thursday - Chest/Shoulders/Tri’s

Flat Dumbbell Press- 3x4-8
Incline Barbell Press- 2x6-10
Seated Overhead dumbbell Press- 3x6-10
Dumbbell lateral raises- 3x6-10
Machine Dips- 3x6-10
French Press (can you tell I love these?)- 2x6-10

Friday - Back/Bi’s/Calves

Barbell Rows- 3x6-10
Straight bar Pulldowns (shoulder with grip)- 3x6-10
Alt Dumbbell Curls- 3x6-10
Reverse Preacher curls- 2x6-10
Seated Calf Raises-5x6-12 (3)

Saturday - Legs/Abs

Lying Leg curls- 3x4-8
Single Leg curls- 2x6-10
Squats- 3x6-10
Hack Squats (close stance)- 3x6-10
Cable Rope crunches- 3x12-15
Weighted leg raises- 2x12-15

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This is a MAX-OT style routine (copied pasted from my thread), which is how I train now (actually doing this exact routine). Took a cue from Jeff Rodriguez and slightly broadened the rep range to 4-8 and progress seems a bit better. Personally, training like this I progress faster than training any other way that I’ve tried.

All sets layed out in this style of workout are to failure. People like to say “omg so many heavy sets to failure, that’s gonna cause burnout and overtraining!” Usually though, those people arent willing to eat 1.8-2g of protein per pound of bodyweight, which I think is pretty much a foolproof way to ensure gains if you’re training hard.

Another note is that once you warm up a muscle group and start your work set on your first exercise, you don’t ramp up again for your subsequent exercises. However, it’s a good idea to do what’s called an acclimation set sometimes before starting the next exercise for that muscle group if it’s an exercise where there’s a good amount of stabilization required and it’s a slightly different movement pattern than the first exercise. Acclimation sets, I believe, are 1-2 sets of 1-2 reps each to get used to the new movement pattern before starting your heavy sets. Don’t worry, I’ll tell you when to use these.

As far as progression. I’d say when you can get a set of an exercise for 7 or 8 reps, move up an increment in weight, then next workout you will start your first set with that new weight and when you can get that for 7 or 8 you’ll move up and so on. From my experience, when I/workout partners/clients are too aggressive with weight selection it tends to slow down progress.

On to the routine.

Monday - Chest/Tris

Incline dumbbell Press - 2x4-8
Flat Barbell Press - 2x4-8 (1xacc)
Dips - 2x4-8 (2xacc)
Pushdowns - 2x4-8
French Press - 2x4-8 (1 10 rep set just to make sure elbows are ready)

Tuesday - Back/Bis

Barbell Rows - 3x4-8
Neutral grip Pulldowns - 2x4-8
Medium Grip pulldowns - 1x4-8
Seated Rows - 2x4-8
Pinwheels - 2x4-8
Alternating Dumb curls - 2x4-8

Wednesday - Legs (slow negatives!)
Lying Leg Curls - 2x4-8
RDL’s - 2x4-8 (warmup again)
Cybex Leg Press - 2x4-8 (warmup)
Leg Press - 2x4-8 (1xacc)
Hack Squat - 2x4-8 (1xacc)

Thursday - Shoulders

Seated OH Barbell Press (ass slid forward so it’s more like a super high incline press) - 2x4-6
Seated Dumbbell Press - 2x4-8
Cable Laterals - 3x6-8
Dumbbell Laterals - 1x6-8
Rear Delt raises on inlcine bench - 3x12-15

Friday - Traps/Calves/Abs/Forearms

Shrugs - 3x4-8

Standing calf raises - 3x4-8
Seated calf raises - 3x4-8

Cable Crunches - 2x10-15
Weighted Leg Raises - 3x10-15

Reverse wrist curls - 2x8-10
Behind Back wrist curls - 2x8-10

Sample workout: Chest/tri’s

Inc Dumb- warmup(20x25’s x2, 10x40’s, 8x55’s, 6x70’s), acclimation(2x90’s), 7x110’s, 5x115’s
Flat Bar- 2x225, 8x245, 5x265
Dips- 2x45, 1x90, 8x110, 4x125
Pushdowns- 8x120, 6x130
French- 10x80, 8x100, 5x110

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Added.

I will also say that I personally have used routines extremely similar to the ones posted here (particularly the push/pull/legs, and the chest&tri/back&bi/shoulders/legs routines) to get me where I am now.

Continuously adding weight in the 4-8 repetition range on basic exercises has been the mainstay of all my muscle-building training for years, and I think many other experienced members would agree as well.

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Kingbeef,

Do you think someone should have a fairly decent strength base before trying out one of these routines?

Kingbeef after I read your other thread i tried out the french presses for the first time and i am so glad i started i feel it right in the longhead like no other tricep movement, thank you lol

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
French Press (can you tell I love these?)- 2x6-10
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Could you confirm how you do french press (googling doesn’t seems to give me a definitive answer). Is it seated with an EZ bar or is it 2 hands on one dumbbell… or is it not even seated?!

Thanks

PS. Excellent thread.

[quote]Merv77 wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
French Press (can you tell I love these?)- 2x6-10
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Could you confirm how you do french press (googling doesn’t seems to give me a definitive answer). Is it seated with an EZ bar or is it 2 hands on one dumbbell… or is it not even seated?!

Thanks

PS. Excellent thread. [/quote]

I grew up learning this exercise as french press. Also called skull crushers.

I differentiate between the french press and skullcrushers/nosebreakers/throatslicers.

French presses are done standing with a curl bar behind the head. Similar movement, different angle.

[quote]CraigGold55 wrote:
Kingbeef,

Do you think someone should have a fairly decent strength base before trying out one of these routines?[/quote]

Not really. I start beginners with routines similar to the 4 day I posted and it works very well.

[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Kingbeef after I read your other thread i tried out the french presses for the first time and i am so glad i started i feel it right in the longhead like no other tricep movement, thank you lol[/quote]

No prob

[quote]Merv77 wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
French Press (can you tell I love these?)- 2x6-10
[/quote]

Could you confirm how you do french press (googling doesn’t seems to give me a definitive answer). Is it seated with an EZ bar or is it 2 hands on one dumbbell… or is it not even seated?!

Thanks

PS. Excellent thread. [/quote]

I do the french presses seated on one of the little shoulder press chairs. Lower an ez bar behind your head until your biceps touch your forearms and then explode back up. I like to pause for a second before coming back up personally.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I do the french presses seated on one of the little shoulder press chairs. Lower an ez bar behind your head until your biceps touch your forearms and then explode back up. I like to pause for a second before coming back up personally.[/quote]

Do you focus on keeping your elbows in? I’ve added these on my chest/tri day and find it’s a real struggle to keep from flaring my elbows on almost every rep, and I’m not even going that heavy on them (60-80lbs for 3x8 or 4x8). Or does it not really matter?

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I do the french presses seated on one of the little shoulder press chairs. Lower an ez bar behind your head until your biceps touch your forearms and then explode back up. I like to pause for a second before coming back up personally.[/quote]

Do you focus on keeping your elbows in? I’ve added these on my chest/tri day and find it’s a real struggle to keep from flaring my elbows on almost every rep, and I’m not even going that heavy on them (60-80lbs for 3x8 or 4x8). Or does it not really matter?[/quote]

Yes, I focus on keeping them in. They usually only flare out on maybe the last 1 or 2 reps. If your long head is very underdeveloped, you may want to go with a lighter weight that you can keep your elbows in on.

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I do the french presses seated on one of the little shoulder press chairs. Lower an ez bar behind your head until your biceps touch your forearms and then explode back up. I like to pause for a second before coming back up personally.[/quote]

Thanks

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
I do the french presses seated on one of the little shoulder press chairs. Lower an ez bar behind your head until your biceps touch your forearms and then explode back up. I like to pause for a second before coming back up personally.[/quote]

Do you focus on keeping your elbows in? I’ve added these on my chest/tri day and find it’s a real struggle to keep from flaring my elbows on almost every rep, and I’m not even going that heavy on them (60-80lbs for 3x8 or 4x8). Or does it not really matter?[/quote]

Yes, I focus on keeping them in. They usually only flare out on maybe the last 1 or 2 reps. If your long head is very underdeveloped, you may want to go with a lighter weight that you can keep your elbows in on.[/quote]

i dont think i saw this question as i have read this thread. great write up by the way, and thanks for the time to make it, now the question, i do something like the french press you described except i use a single dumbbell with 2 hands behind my head (if that makes sense) while in the shoulder press chair thingy, it seems to be less stressful on my shoulders for some reason. same thing, different approach, or completely different?

How often do you recommend taking a week off when following the 5 day routine?

Had been doing a CC routine where you deload every 4th cycle. Would you say continue doing that or just keep going until you feel tired on this workout?

Thanks :slight_smile:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:

[quote]Merv77 wrote:

[quote]kingbeef323 wrote:
French Press (can you tell I love these?)- 2x6-10
[/quote]

Could you confirm how you do french press (googling doesn’t seems to give me a definitive answer). Is it seated with an EZ bar or is it 2 hands on one dumbbell… or is it not even seated?!

Thanks

PS. Excellent thread. [/quote]

I grew up learning this exercise as french press. Also called skull crushers.
- YouTube [/quote]

I wanna know what exercise that dude is doing for his eyebrows cause those things are huuuuuuge

Hey King,

I started lifting weights to get better for Highschool football, and I’ve been lifting on and off for 4 years.

Stats:

  • Age: 19
  • Height: 5’8"
  • Body-weight: 177
  • Squat: 345
  • Bench Press: 265
  • Deadlift: 405
  • Press: 165

I want to get bigger and stronger, what routine would you recommend me?