[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Ok… so probably nowadays (at least in America) the main problem of trainees is that they jump from one program to another, and oftentimes, they try to emulate elite athletes/fighters/etc. ?
The point, though, is that this is exactly the type of routine you can find in Muscle and Fitness, and every other major (or not) BB mag.
I’m not going to say this is bad (since it seems some can actually get results from such a routine)… but it would’ve been simpler to just say “hey, read M&F / pick the routine of and do it”[/quote]
I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t really contribute much to anything or help anyone. For some reason, I don’t think saying “hey just go do a muscle and fitness routine” would have been as effective as doing what I’ve done, especially considering the target audience (that and I don’t even read muscle mags).
When people receive advice from a person, they value it more when it comes from that persons own experiences, rather than being a regurgitation of something that person read somewhere.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Ok… so probably nowadays (at least in America) the main problem of trainees is that they jump from one program to another, and oftentimes, they try to emulate elite athletes/fighters/etc. ?
The point, though, is that this is exactly the type of routine you can find in Muscle and Fitness, and every other major (or not) BB mag.
I’m not going to say this is bad (since it seems some can actually get results from such a routine)… but it would’ve been simpler to just say “hey, read M&F / pick the routine of and do it”[/quote]
I couldn’t care less about the program outlined first in this thread. I am also very aware that some of these guys think the program itself is “magic”.
It isn’t.
No program is.
That is why you never in this many years saw me make up a specific program to hand out…because it ignores the real problem…people not understanding why they are doing what they are to start with.
That is why I have spent time trying to explain building a workout “skeleton” with general ideas so they can start putting their own program together.
This shit is not rocket science…so why would you think ANY program would be drastically different from another if it works to build muscle mass?
I very rarely change my routine up. The biggest change I made was after going to CO and training twice a day…but the same shit that worked before is working now…progression and consistency.
There was NEVER a need to switch your damn programs every few weeks.
Most of these guys need to just turn off the damn computer and go outside and meet some people.
They would likely be less confused.
Addition: I am not saying there is anything wrong with Kingbeef’s program, but the specificity of it will no doubt also confuse some people who think minutia is the key to progress.
The last thing people like that need…is more specific rules and guidelines to follow…because they will get lost in those too.
The last few posts are a testament to that…as if Flex magazine had routines that just could not work.[/quote]
I completely agree with you about the real problem being people not understanding why they’re doing what they’re doing. However I’m not as patient as you and refuse to answer the same stupid questions over and over, particularly when it comes to critiquing routines and telling people why their routine is dumb and how to fix it. Made more sense to just have something to point people to and then answer their questions about it and help them learn that way.
It’s working pretty well, as this thread has gotten quite a few people moving in the right direction that were lost before or not progressing as well, which is exactly what the goal was.
Just my way of trying to contribute to the forum in a way that I can’t remember seeing done before.
