[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
Reyno109 wrote:
Well now i feel kinda crappy. I just hit 315 on the Dl yesterday. Although i’ve been training for 2 months and started off not being able to do 95 lbs(damn knee).
Maybee i will feel better when i hit 4 plates.
Don’t worry, I only started doing Deadlifting this past January, 135 for 8, and now the last time I tried a PR it was 315x5 2 weeks ago. So 4 plates will come to the both of us soon.
Come by the Berardi seminar at Excel in a few weeks and I’ll personally coach you to 400 on the spot. Just did it for a guy at the seminar I did at Oxford University a few weeks back. It’s all about tinkering with the little things.[/quote]
It’s awesome things like this that make me hate being away from the US.
I don’t think 315 is impressive as a lift on its own, but I do think its a nice benchmark to hit. Then move on.
The thing that kills me is that I trained from absolute beginner for 1.5 years before pulling 315. Every other person on this board has a little sister who weighs 100lbs for pulled 315 after 2 weeks of training.
It kills me that I’m so completely shit weak compared to the large majority who hit these lifts in record time. It burns me how many people walk off the street and do what it took me 1.5 years to accomplish eating a lot and training hard and consistently.
You want motivation? Being a weak fucker, just about to turn 30 and being outlifted by 15 year olds. Its been my drive from the first day I lifted and this thread just set it off again like a nuke on my brain.
Thanks to the OP for creating a thread to remind me how weak I am. It’ll only push me harder in the gym.
[quote]BlakeAE wrote:
I don’t think 315 is impressive as a lift on its own, but I do think its a nice benchmark to hit. Then move on.
The thing that kills me is that I trained from absolute beginner for 1.5 years before pulling 315. Every other person on this board has a little sister who weighs 100lbs for pulled 315 after 2 weeks of training.
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View many of these claims with skepticism. Some are legit, some are not.
could you lay out some pointers for us mere mortals
i’m 200lbs at 10%, reasonable build, training deadlifts for approx 3 years and i’m stuck on 170kgs, could partly be mental attitude, as it just "looks " damn heavy
Every goal should be inspirational, providing a compulsion to achieve it. Failing this, it isn’t really a goal, rather just a dream or a thought. Clearly, you have to pass 315 to get to 405 and beyond, so 315 is a good interim goal.
I think the problem people have with the OPs statement is why would 315 be your ultimate goal? To most here, that is almost like having a goal of living until your 35 years old. What then? Will your goal be to continue to DL 315? From your post, it seems like that is what you’re saying.
Cressey was making a point that what holds people back is overcomplicating things. By keeping things simple and putting in consistent hard work on the simpler (not easier) lifts that large poundages aren’t as hard to reach as people think. If you limit yourself to a preconceived final weight, you won’t get beyond it.
[quote]cormac wrote:
shizen wrote:
Hmm I thought 315 is a fairly solid goal for bench press, never for deadlift. Im currently trying to hit 315 I started training this year seriously. I should hit it in a few months hopefully. How do you build up your grip stregth though the 400 500 deadlifts seem to want to tear off my hands ><. I mean I can do pretty high weight for squats but those deads at high weight really mess up my hands.
Hey buddy, I gotta say I had a weak ass natural grip. I started doing pull ups 3-4xs a week, never to failure, doing thick bar static deadlift lockouts (“holds” for time), and farmers walks a couple sessions a month… (great, if you have em atyour disposal, i rarely do them anymore).
Also, I make a conscious effort to GRIP HARD, I really focus on squeezing that bar the whole time. I haven’t had a skin tear in months. And I used to get one every time I DL’d like 2 months ago. All you need to do is get a thick bar, build one if you have to, and do pull up variations on the fattest bar in your gym. Lately I’ve been throwing in some wrist roller work for extended time under tension, but I’ll let my arms hang down unlike most skinny kids you see doing the exercise, so I can do like 20x the amount of weight you usually see on the thing. I’m trying to work my grip not my shoulders after all. Also, perhaps most importantly, like everyone says - never use straps. Use chalk.
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Gloves are not allowed in PL competition, they may screw up your form by causing the bar to slip, they may increase tears because they make your hands sweat and get soft (when I very first started lifting I wore gloves… my calluses tore regularly), and unless you are deadlifting over 500 lbs (and maybe even then) you will look like a complete tool deadlifting with gloves.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BlakeAE wrote:
I don’t think 315 is impressive as a lift on its own, but I do think its a nice benchmark to hit. Then move on.
The thing that kills me is that I trained from absolute beginner for 1.5 years before pulling 315. Every other person on this board has a little sister who weighs 100lbs for pulled 315 after 2 weeks of training.
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View many of these claims with skepticism. Some are legit, some are not.[/quote]
What, you mean some people post items on the internet that are not completely factual? Get out!
[quote]pushharder wrote:
christine wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
BlakeAE wrote:
I don’t think 315 is impressive as a lift on its own, but I do think its a nice benchmark to hit. Then move on.
The thing that kills me is that I trained from absolute beginner for 1.5 years before pulling 315. Every other person on this board has a little sister who weighs 100lbs for pulled 315 after 2 weeks of training.
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View many of these claims with
skepticism. Some are legit, some are not.
What, you mean some people post items on the internet that are not completely factual? Get out!
It’ hard to believe isn’t it?
I do tend to trust internet deadlifting poundages a little more than other exercises just because the inherent nature of the lift. You either lift it or you don’t. Cheating on a deadlift doesn’t help you but rather the opposite.
When it comes to other exercises, especially the squat, I have no faith in 85.897% of posted poundages unless they are accompanied by video. It’s too easy and commonplace to do partial squats or squats with a superball bounce and post pseudo numbers.
I’ve seen several suspect squat poundages posted here on this thread as well as many other places. As far as I’m concerned if you don’t BREAK parallel on your squat and do the eccentric and concentric motions smoothly and under control I do NOT care to hear what your numbers are. They mean nothing.
I say this because 95.923% of the squatting I see in gyms across North America are partials.[/quote]
I’d have to second and third this post by Push. I get a huge kick out of going into my local college gym and seeing these dudes walk around with bowed upper bodies and bird legs.
They’ll throw like 3 or 4 plates on each side of the bar and then barely break 45 degrees on their squat. Then they walk away from the squat rack feelin’ all bad ass. It’s laughable to say the least.
I would say that 315 is a milestone, but not inspirational. Everytime you add another 25 or 45 to the bar, it’s a milestone and something to be happy about. For example, 315, 365, 405, 455, etc.
My client Dave, who is the exception, not the norm, weighs 185 and had never performed a deadlift in his life, just pulled 435 after 10 weeks of training with me. This was a 210 pound jump.
I also have two high school junior all-conference lineman who can pull 495 at 250 and 260 pounds of bodyweight.
Eric, you are one generous sob. When are you going to be in VA? j/k
New2training - I am in VA (northern) if you ever want to get together and do some pulling. [/quote]
Tim, I genuinely appreciate the offer, I could use the help. Deadlifted for the first time last fall. I’m 32 and my back and knees have never felt better
I’m about 4 hours away though (near Blacksburg). I left Fairfax several years ago and rarely get back there unless it is to visit my inlaws.
Hitting 315 on dead is a great start and for me it was the first time I lifted three wheels on a lift and it was inspiring at the time. Same goes for 225 on bench.
However most average males who train smart will reach this level at an early training age and men with talent for lifting might hit this within a month or even the first day!
I don’t think that Eric’s comment was intended to make a noobie reaching a noobie benchmark feel foolish for being inspired. I think he was saying that if a serious long time lifter finds a noobie benchmark inspiring he should maybe rethink his training strategy!
[quote]Reef wrote:
If a 14 year old girl can bench 225 in one summer…[/quote]
She can call me when she’s 18!
Seriously though, hitting 315 yourself can be inspirational. I was satisfied repping with 225 for the longest time. It was just a mental barrier; fear of the weight.
In college I saw members of the powerlifting club pulling 4, 5, 6 plates per side and I realized just how far there was to go.
Seeing the powerlifters was technically the “inspiration” to go heavier but hitting 315 on deads was definitely motivating.
[quote]BF Bullpup wrote:
Mike Benfield wrote:
BF Bullpup wrote:
That or you could just wear gloves.
Gloves are not allowed in PL competition,
Okay. I haven’t been responding in the context of competitive powerlifting.
you will look like a complete tool deadlifting with gloves.
I’d rather look like a tool than have bleeding calluses or leftover chalk. Thanks for the fashion statement.[/quote]
You should ditch the gloves and give chalk a try. It’s a more natural grip, and chalk does wonders with grip strength.
DLing 315 is shit. I’m by no means a big, strong man, but I’m not going to be impressed/inspired until my 3 lifts (bench, squat, DL) add up to at least 1200 lb.
I duno what everyone’s hard time is with deadlifts, but for some reason mine skyrocket. I’ve only been lifting for the past 11 months, and in that time I can now deadlift 365 8-10 times, then this past friday i dl’ed 405 no problem, and went for 455 and got it all the way up, but my back was kinda arched over some so i wouldn’t count it. Either way, it’s probably around 420 for 1 max. That’s only in 11 months, I don’t see why you’d limit yourself to 315.
[quote]new2training wrote:
Tim, I genuinely appreciate the offer, I could use the help. Deadlifted for the first time last fall. I’m 32 and my back and knees have never felt better
I’m about 4 hours away though (near Blacksburg). I left Fairfax several years ago and rarely get back there unless it is to visit my inlaws.
Thanks again for the offer,
New2
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New2 - There are a lot of PL meets in Standardsville (near Charlottesville) and Richmond that I go to, if you ever want to meet up there or just come and watch those guys pull let me know and we can set something up.
Being in Blacksburg I hope the Tech thing didn’t hit you too hard. Good luck with the lifting,
Tim
