[quote]Bowzer wrote:
If you were super hardcore you would cut your arms off to the elbow allowing you to run faster because of the lighter arms…[/quote]
The faster you move your arms, the faster you can run. Arms are good.
[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Andrew Dixon wrote:
I have an opposite approach to this. If you cant flex your glutes properly, you probably need to wake them up with some isolation exercises before they can be integrated into a deadlift or squat.
I never thought I’d see the day I’d be defending compound work against isos with you, but I’m NOT onboard with your thinking here. Isolating the glutes isn’t going to hurt your deadlifting, but any exercise that truly does so isn’t going to add enough strength to make any difference for anything approaching heavy deadlifting. The whole chain will equalize fairly quickly with some intelligent progression in my opinion.
I thiniking more about the wisdom of “if you cant flex it, don’t isolate it”
Sees like a good time to isolate it to get the fucker contracting properly. The glutes are a good example as they often don’t fire properly and hammys do all the work instead.
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I can see that I guess. Like I was saying above. If the movement is unfamiliar I could see the benefit of learning to mentally plug yourself into that muscle group.
[quote]itsthetimman wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
itsthetimman wrote:
<<< Compared to the rest of my body, my arms seem to grow somewhat fast, to the point it tires me in running, thus I don’t do direct arm work while in season. >>>
Lemme make sure I got this. Your arms grow fast which tires you out for running and consequently dissuades you from working them during your track season? I just wanna make sure I’m properly grasping this.
I’m a distance runner. Now I’m not purely skin and bones like many distance runners, but I’ve realized compared to some other body parts (back/chest), I notice my shoulders get sore and arms get very heavy during races when I do direct arm work. My direct arm days are 12 - 16 sets for both biceps and triceps, in the 6 - 8 rep range.
It’s a simple case of, you do what works for you to become better at your sport.
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OK, this is outta my realm.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I can see that I guess. Like I was saying above. If the movement is unfamiliar I could see the benefit of learning to mentally plug yourself into that muscle group.[/quote]
Often the hip flexors are really tight, not allowing the glutes to contract. So we gots to massage and stretch them out, then work on glute activation.
As per Mike Boyles advice I have them do isolation stuff prior to doing deadlifts or squats. Wakes the glutes up so they work hard when needed. Seems to be working.
[quote]KO421 wrote:
I will go ahead and answer for everyone…
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What KO421 said
Reading the replies posted so far I would say that you should only include direct arm training if you want developed arms, please let me know if I’ve misunderstood.
As for the deadlifts, pullups/chins and rows building good arms I’d be willing to put money on deadlifts, pullups/chins, rows AND barbell curls building better arms.