Differences Between Fury and Katana Fit?

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I just got a brand new custom Katana in the mail. I’ve had a Fury for ages, also custom. Both are competition fit shirts but for some reason, the Katana feels much, much tighter in the chest panel and looser in the sleeves.

In fact, I can get the sleeves on the Katana all the way up past my elbows while the sleeves on the Fury will only make it to the middle of my forearms without a lot of help. Yet the chest panel on the Katana feels so small, it’s ridiculous. Is this a change in the pattern of the shirts or is my Katana messed up?

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Sounds like your shirt isnt the size its supposed to be.

I got some F6 42’s and a Katana A/S 42. Getting in them is around the same, but the Katana is tighter/doesnt loose tightness as easy.

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[quote]cookie_sq wrote:
Sounds like your shirt isnt the size its supposed to be.

I got some F6 42’s and a Katana A/S 42. Getting in them is around the same, but the Katana is tighter/doesnt loose tightness as easy. [/quote]

+1

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well, I dont know if your Katana is messed up, there is a possibility with custom orders, but…

if your fury is NOT custom and KATANA is custom, well there is the difference… of course, custom shirt will have different sleeve/chest plate proportions than off the shelf shirt…

also, your fury is older, in my experience, Fury is totally stretched after 4 weeks of aggresive use, I can even make new shirt look like 10 years old after 2 sessions (I was comparing Fury 42 has chest plate like NEW Fury 46 after few weeks of aggresive benching in it)… Katana doesnt stretch as much, so maybe the chest plate is OK, you just have the impression of being tight since the Fury chest plate is actually loose (depends how old is the shirt)…

and as of being tight think of this…
I was using FURY 42 on 46-48" chest…
I was using grid stitch Katana 42 on same chest size, and I needed 2 spotters to widen my arms so I can grab the bar (thats how tight it was in the chest plate)…

anyway, you didnt said if your shirt is single or double… if its single… its OK I guess, because like I said it will get stretched, whoever claims that those shirt dont stretch doesnt know shit…

give it a few workouts, and you’ll see the chest plate will become bigger…

and last thing, trust me, you dont need tight sleeves… I had a luxury of really tight sleeves…

arms go numb, swell, turn blue… you dont have the feeling of the bar anymore… you cant move your fingers… OK I used a little bit too tight shirt, BUT the point is after that I ordered custom, and figured out that you dont need TIGHT sleeves, 90% is in the chest plate, and sleeves need to be just comfortable and tight enough, not too comfortable, not too tight…

and I also think, sleeves of my new katana, I can put by myself, a little bit help over the head and thats it… I dont need 5 guys to put me into the shirt unless I’m using 3 sizes smaller shirt…

so, everything together, your shirt is I think OK, give it a go on next training session and see what it does…

just you cant compare new shirt with the old one, in chest plate especially, because thats the part that takes the beating… and get stretched…

gavra

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Hey-Small Hijack

I’m looking to pick up a titan single ply shirts, either a F6 or a Katana. How do you guys like Titans sizing recommendations, ie is there much hope getting into smaller than their “competition fit?” or should I just stick to their guidelines?

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redroast,

I just explained how I used 42 sized shirt, and I’m sized more for 46-48… now maybe for 48…

getting into one is possible, benching into one is a little bit harder… i know what I’m talking about, not many people can do it…

i learned how to arch good, so when I’m getting ready for meet or training in a shirt, I can get my stroke to like 5-6"… so even really small shirts are not a problem to touch in…

if your stroke is long, I dont see how you could use really smaller shirt, if its fury single ply, it will probably rip with enough weight… and if its like lets say double ply grid stitch katana, you wont be able to touch even 800 pounds…

stick with titan charts for beggining and then work down to sizes or up in bodyweight… the way I did it, I was benching in size 42 when I was 70kg, and I kept the same size for 2 years till I got to 90kg, so the body kinda got used to it…

not everyone can use smaller shirts, most people even have to go with larger sizes than in what they can theoretically fit… so try and see… I can tell you that it is possible to get into smaller fit, benching in it is totally different animal than just putting it on…

gavra

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Thanks gents. Both shirts are custom and while the Fury is old, I’ve had it taken in on several occasions, so it shouldn’t be that stretched out. I was always under the impression that a lot of the carry through to the top people get in these shirts come from the tight sleeves, which is why the not tight sleeves on my Katana concerned me a bit. I guess there’s nothing too it but to try it and see how it goes – since it is a custom shirt, Titan will alter it for free once.

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Thanks Gavra, thats exactly what I wanted to know.

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do this…

take a tape measure… measure she shortest distance between the two sleeves on a chest plate on fury, do the same on Katana…

you’ll be surprised that even taken in FEW TIMES, fury still stretched, now imagine how stretched would it be if you havent altered it…

NEW shirt is NEW shirt, material is not worn out… not stretched, hence it feels tighter…

after a few workouts… measure the chest plate on Katana again… you’ll see… especially with single ply… with double ply it stretches less of course…

as far as sleeves… mine were always tight in the delt area (upper part of the sleeve), and looser as they approached the elbow…

also, my sleeves are sometimes tighter, sometimes really lose, depending on how how much water I hold… just a little swolen arms can make a difference that you need a slipper or you can just them on by yourself…

that also should be taken into consideration…

also… I noticed, TITAN had Fury’s and F6’s, double ply models, on some of them sleeves are double ply also, on some of them only chest plate is dbl ply… sleeves are single ply… dont know why… but I tried both and they give the same carryover… thats why I think sleeves are NOT SO important…

still the best advice is, try it and get back here… let me know how it goes, I’ll give my best to help…

also KATANA has that twisted sleeve built in, so sleeve is actually like stronger than normal sleeve, like giving more support, which is also a reason why KATANA sleeve doesnt always have to be as tight as for example Fury sleeve…

like I said many factors play the part, I usually know after first attempt what to expect from a given shirt…

but from what you say, seems like everything is OK… and one more thing, if you’re concerned will the equipment work, dont even try it, because that concern will make it being less effective… like with supplements… I noticed… if I’m really belleiveng in a support I get more…

thats why I had problems with DD shirts, as soon as I put it on, it doesnt feel as tight as poly shirt, and knowing that I just cant go all out with weight… because it doesnt feel the way I want it to feel…

so before you try it, throw out those assumptions you have about the tightness, they can also make a difference…

gavra

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[quote]redroast wrote:
Hey-Small Hijack

I’m looking to pick up a titan single ply shirts, either a F6 or a Katana. How do you guys like Titans sizing recommendations, ie is there much hope getting into smaller than their “competition fit?” or should I just stick to their guidelines? [/quote]

Buy a shirt that is moderately tight and have it altered to fit the way you want.

You shouldn’t be worrying about stock sizes beyond getting a good starting point. Custom gear is always a crap shoot.

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[quote]burt128 wrote:
I just got a brand new custom Katana in the mail. I’ve had a Fury for ages, also custom. Both are competition fit shirts but for some reason, the Katana feels much, much tighter in the chest panel and looser in the sleeves.

In fact, I can get the sleeves on the Katana all the way up past my elbows while the sleeves on the Fury will only make it to the middle of my forearms without a lot of help. Yet the chest panel on the Katana feels so small, it’s ridiculous. Is this a change in the pattern of the shirts or is my Katana messed up?[/quote]

Is is likely both. The sizing is definitely different in a Katana and as you have seen, comparing a Katana to a Fury is like comparing a bananna to an apple. They are made completely differently.

I would also take issue with the idea sleeve tightness doesn’t matter. You definitley want the cuff of the sleeve to be tight enough that it stays where you put it. If if slides up during the press you will lose follow-through and in either shirt manipulating the seam changes how the shirt performs so you want to make sure it stays put on that account, as well.

If you are going to try to bench in the katana you have make sure you get the sleeves higher up the arm than you think you will need to before pulling it over your head and make sure the pits are thoroughly seated. Use plastic bags or slippers to help. A big challenge for lifters who start out in that shirt is getting it seated right. It is very hard to get the arms to move up the arm once the shirt is over your head.

Also, hold the shirt out in front of you and pull the arms out in front like you are benching. Observe where the seams are. This will give you a good guage of where to set the seams initially. As you get more proficient in the shirt you can mess around with that but I would learn to touch first.

Many experienced lifters here locally have ended up in our basement or calling me back into the warm-up room to get help with this shirt as it can be a strange animal if you just try to put it on without someone who is familiar with it.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:
I would also take issue with the idea sleeve tightness doesn’t matter. You definitley want the cuff of the sleeve to be tight enough that it stays where you put it. If if slides up during the press you will lose follow-through and in either shirt manipulating the seam changes how the shirt performs so you want to make sure it stays put on that account, as well.
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yeah you’re right, but I didnt said it doesnt matter… I said its NOT AS IMPORTANT, since 90% of the shirt support comes from the chest plate…

of course sleeve tightness matters also… but also, depends what is a tight sleeve…

I’ve used some really tight shirts… I put it on, and after 5 minutes of staring putting it on, my arms go numb… and it takes another 45 minutes to get it competelly on, so I end up with one attempt since after that is impssible even to feel the bar, I even injured my hand once, cause I couldnt fell shit, and I just benched like that… when the circulation came back, I started feeling pain close to my thumbs…

after that I couldnt do even empty bar for few weeks, because even grabing a cup of coffee was painfull…

so, neither too tight, or too loose cant be good… I just dont know how loose are his sleeves… simply “looser than fury’s” doesnt mean a lot, since its two different shirts…

so I told him not to worry about that and try the shirt and see what happens, and then get back with more information…

gavra

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[quote]gavra wrote:

I’ve used some really tight shirts… I put it on, and after 5 minutes of staring putting it on, my arms go numb… and it takes another 45 minutes to get it competelly on, so I end up with one attempt since after that is impssible even to feel the bar, I even injured my hand once, cause I couldnt fell shit, and I just benched like that… when the circulation came back, I started feeling pain close to my thumbs…

after that I couldnt do even empty bar for few weeks, because even grabing a cup of coffee was painfull…

so, neither too tight, or too loose cant be good… I just dont know how loose are his sleeves… simply “looser than fury’s” doesnt mean a lot, since its two different shirts…

so I told him not to worry about that and try the shirt and see what happens, and then get back with more information…

gavra

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Not to be a dick but that doesn’t exactly smack of intelligence. I assume that was your first time in one of these shirts. Using extreme examples never works. The bottom line is you want the cuff to be tight enough to stay where you put it. Any tighter is unnecessary and dangerous and any looser is silly.

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[quote]burt128 wrote:
I just got a brand new custom Katana in the mail. I’ve had a Fury for ages, also custom. Both are competition fit shirts but for some reason, the Katana feels much, much tighter in the chest panel and looser in the sleeves.

In fact, I can get the sleeves on the Katana all the way up past my elbows while the sleeves on the Fury will only make it to the middle of my forearms without a lot of help. Yet the chest panel on the Katana feels so small, it’s ridiculous. Is this a change in the pattern of the shirts or is my Katana messed up?[/quote]

Katana has way less give, so sleeves need to be larger or you wouldn’t get them on. Katana is all about stiffness and chest plate tightness. The arm angle makes th esirt too but that is too technical to go into.

i wear nothing but stock gear and Fury is two levels below katana. Fury is good, F6 is better, and katana is best Titan product. Same size shirts take 495, 523 and 573 to touch in a 46 Fury, F6, and katana, repsectively.

Shirts take practice and help from somebody who knows what they are doing.

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[quote]jackreape wrote:

Katana has way less give, so sleeves need to be larger or you wouldn’t get them on. Katana is all about stiffness and chest plate tightness. The arm angle makes th esirt too but that is too technical to go into.

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Agree on all points but wanted to emphasize the sleeve comment. There are several things that trip lifters up with the Katana but one of the biggest problems I see is lifters not using some kind of slipper on the arms and pushing the cuff high up the arm (I try to get 4 finger widths from teh back of the elbow with the arm bent) before they pull it over the head.

Once it is over the head and the slack pulled out of the sleeve, if you have not allowed enough slack in the sleeve to seat the pits you are done. The son of a bitch won’t move. It is virtually impossible to seat it at that point.

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Thanks all for the helpful comments. I’m going to give it a shot this weekend and see how it goes. I’ve also placed an order with a distributor to get a stock Katana, size 48, which is the suggested meet fit for me.

I’ve spent a lot of time learning my Fury and I’m getting about 100 pounds out of it over my raw touch and go bench (385 to 485) so I’m looking for big things out of the Katana.

With the Fury I haven’t always made sure to seat the pits, mainly to get more pop out of the shirt, but I’ll make sure I do so on the Katana. It also sounds like the cuffs on the sleeves should be much higher on the Katana than I wear them on my Fury (right at the elbow) so I’ll make sure I get the sleeves up a bit higher as well (thanks apwsearch and jack).

Candidly, I hate all this new gear, which is why I’ve had the same Fury for going on five years and the same Titan squat suit for 3+ years. I’m getting to the point though where I’m thinking about going to USAPL Nationals in the 242s and if I’m going to do that, I need to learn the new equipment. Otherwise, it’ll be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.

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@ gavra

Raw and equipped numbers for bench?

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[quote]burt128 wrote:
Thanks all for the helpful comments. I’m going to give it a shot this weekend and see how it goes. I’ve also placed an order with a distributor to get a stock Katana, size 48, which is the suggested meet fit for me. I’ve spent a lot of time learning my Fury and I’m getting about 100 pounds out of it over my raw touch and go bench (385 to 485) so I’m looking for big things out of the Katana.

With the Fury I haven’t always made sure to seat the pits, mainly to get more pop out of the shirt, but I’ll make sure I do so on the Katana. It also sounds like the cuffs on the sleeves should be much higher on the Katana than I wear them on my Fury (right at the elbow) so I’ll make sure I get the sleeves up a bit higher as well (thanks apwsearch and jack).

Candidly, I hate all this new gear, which is why I’ve had the same Fury for going on five years and the same Titan squat suit for 3+ years.

I’m getting to the point though where I’m thinking about going to USAPL Nationals in the 242s and if I’m going to do that, I need to learn the new equipment. Otherwise, it’ll be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.[/quote]

The katana will behave similarly to the Fury as you unseat the pits. So to jack it up, same deal. Pull it out of the pits and neckline down.

You can also roll the seams a little but it isn’t as big of a deal as with Fury or F6.

Assuming it goes on as tight as it sounds like the thing will give you fits at first if it’s not seated all the way.

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[quote]cookie_sq wrote:
@ gavra

Raw and equipped numbers for bench?[/quote]

my best ever is 200 RAW paused, 250kg in IPF meet, 20 years old, 87,1 kilos bodyweight (all weights in kilos)…

now I’m 23, for those 3 years I havent done much as far as competing, been training mostly for looks (how I like to say it for chicks hahahaha), but my best ever is 270 single ply… at 89kg bodyweight in training… done 8 months ago… after that again a pause in performance oriented training and…

now, I’m experimenting with different sizes of Katana Grid Stitch to see and break GPC world record in 90kg class, junior and open (still 23yo)…

I got 360 (about 800 pounds) to touch in really tight grid st katana, but I injured myself, so now I took a little looser shirt and shooting for a little lesser number… hahahahaha…

I mean injury wasnt serious, I like going extreme, so kinda gave me more motivation to get BIG NUMBER… I will see, probably in October if my training goes well (I tend to get carried away by other things more often than not in life and then training suffers)…

gavra

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forgot to mention, 250 was done in single ply fury, size 42 (there is a picture on my T-page)…

gavra