I have owned my Metal Bash bench shirt for a while now, hitting 340 in competition in September. Now, essentially 4 months later after dropping a weight class and having my shirt altered, I hit 375 today (big PR right?). This comes after really goofing around trying to figure out how to jack it. My raw PR is 300 from about 2 weeks ago equalling about a 75lb PR right now.
My friend is using a hand me down Rage X single ply, not sized for him at all, and with little to no jack got about 90lbs out of it.
I have seen people stating 100-150lbs out of their single ply Katanas. Obviously, with more technique work I will be increasing my carryover, but why is my double-ply barely hanging with single plys?
Is this a simple overall strength issue? Obviously a 150lb bencher is not going to get 150lbs out of any shirt. Are the people with these carryovers in Katanas just much stronger all around and that explains it?
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I have owned my Metal Bash bench shirt for a while now, hitting 340 in competition in September. Now, essentially 4 months later after dropping a weight class and having my shirt altered, I hit 375 today (big PR right?). This comes after really goofing around trying to figure out how to jack it. My raw PR is 300 from about 2 weeks ago equalling about a 75lb PR right now.
My friend is using a hand me down Rage X single ply, not sized for him at all, and with little to no jack got about 90lbs out of it.
I have seen people stating 100-150lbs out of their single ply Katanas. Obviously, with more technique work I will be increasing my carryover, but why is my double-ply barely hanging with single plys?
Is this a simple overall strength issue? Obviously a 150lb bencher is not going to get 150lbs out of any shirt. Are the people with these carryovers in Katanas just much stronger all around and that explains it?
Just trying to wrap my head around it.[/quote]
There are A LOT of variables in play. Yeah, they could just be stronger than you, but your carryover (or lack thereof) suggests shirt issues. It could be too big or your technique could suck. Shirts are tricky as hell.
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I have owned my Metal Bash bench shirt for a while now, hitting 340 in competition in September. Now, essentially 4 months later after dropping a weight class and having my shirt altered, I hit 375 today (big PR right?). This comes after really goofing around trying to figure out how to jack it. My raw PR is 300 from about 2 weeks ago equalling about a 75lb PR right now.
My friend is using a hand me down Rage X single ply, not sized for him at all, and with little to no jack got about 90lbs out of it.
I have seen people stating 100-150lbs out of their single ply Katanas. Obviously, with more technique work I will be increasing my carryover, but why is my double-ply barely hanging with single plys?
Is this a simple overall strength issue? Obviously a 150lb bencher is not going to get 150lbs out of any shirt. Are the people with these carryovers in Katanas just much stronger all around and that explains it?
Just trying to wrap my head around it.[/quote]
Aside from all of the other variables, the current generation of Katanas with Super NGX material is no joke. I’ve used properly sized double ply Rage X’s and double ply Phenoms and they were much easier to touch in than the Katana. Lately, I’m getting approx. 100lbs out of my Katana and that’s the lightest amount of weight required for me to touch(480-490ish).
I know the lightest weight to touch, so I can really add some weight to the bar and find out the true carryover for me. Hopefully in the 530-550 range @ 220. I know quite a few multi-ply benchers who have switched to the single ply Katana. It’s that good. I think Hanley would back me up on that one?
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I have owned my Metal Bash bench shirt for a while now, hitting 340 in competition in September. Now, essentially 4 months later after dropping a weight class and having my shirt altered, I hit 375 today (big PR right?). This comes after really goofing around trying to figure out how to jack it. My raw PR is 300 from about 2 weeks ago equalling about a 75lb PR right now.
My friend is using a hand me down Rage X single ply, not sized for him at all, and with little to no jack got about 90lbs out of it.
I have seen people stating 100-150lbs out of their single ply Katanas. Obviously, with more technique work I will be increasing my carryover, but why is my double-ply barely hanging with single plys?
Is this a simple overall strength issue? Obviously a 150lb bencher is not going to get 150lbs out of any shirt. Are the people with these carryovers in Katanas just much stronger all around and that explains it?
Just trying to wrap my head around it.[/quote]
I hate the Metal Bash shirt. I used it 2 or 3 times and even though the thing was screaming tight in the arms and chest plate (perfect fit), I either ended up dumping the weight or there was absolutely no pop at all off the chest.
I’m training raw right now, but the shirt I’ve had the most success with to date is just a plain old stock Metal Pro 2-ply Bencher - got about 140 pounds out of it (480 in competition). I have a Super Katana and although it is a strong-as-shit shirt, getting to touch my chest in that thing was a BITCH.
There is no such thing as carryover. Shirted bench and raw bench are two separate lifts, with different bar paths and techniques.
Credit goes to my training partner who told me this last week. It’s really true though. Unless your raw bench involves extreme elbow tucking and touching on your upper stomach, then flaring your elbows at the top, there is no “carryover.”
Basically just find the shirt that lets you lift the most and don’t obsess about what other people get out of their shirts.
masonator- i know there are a lot of things that come into play, and like i said, i have really finally just figured out where to jack this shirt too and saw a 35lb PR today. I know I will be able to get at least 100 out of it. I just didnt know if it was maybe an inferior product compared to some of the others or if anyone was getting huge numbers out of it…
drdgmuro-i knew the katana was a good shirt, i am just trying to understand why a single ply would CONSISTENTLY be better than this double. i never hear anyone mention this shirt. (maybe that answers my comment/question to masonator)
djrobbins- like PubliskStews states, they are essentially 2 different animals. however, i think that by having that weight in your hands, it could allow you to progress in some fasion, but not as much as other possible ways could.
novaeer- i dont really have an issue controlling the shirt in terms of ditching (or at least not yet). and maybe what i am describing as my issue is the lack of pop, but to be honest i have only used 2 different bash and an old beat-up denim. i train at a college gym in NoVA. i assume you are in that area?
Publick, you must have been editing while i was writing… i am unable to find the shirt that works perfectly with limited funds, as i am sure no one is going to try every shirt til they find the perfect one. however, i am just trying to understand where the discrepency lies.
is it double ply vs single ply really arent that different anymore? is it maybe the bash is more of a forgiving shirt therefor it wont be AS GIVING (carryover, ahhaa)? or is it just me being a POS?
NXG super+ Rocks. I have not used Inzer or Metal but I have used the F6 and now the Katana, both single ply. I can get the Katana on myself and it still takes 575 lbs to touch. If you have the funds get the katana!!! You won’t be disapointed.
I bench 140-45kg raw, by far my weakest lift and slowest to develop as a 93kg Jr. lifter. The best I’ve done shirted to IPF regs is 180kg, so right now I’m lucky to get 40kg out of my Katana NXG super+.
I get about 100-130 lbs out of my stock F6 with the neck pulled down as far as it will go. My next move will be to get a super F6 with NXG Super+ material, but that will have to wait until I’m moving over 550.
novaeer- i dont really have an issue controlling the shirt in terms of ditching (or at least not yet). and maybe what i am describing as my issue is the lack of pop, but to be honest i have only used 2 different bash and an old beat-up denim. i train at a college gym in NoVA. i assume you are in that area?[/quote]
I lift out of my garage in Centreville. If you are interested, you can come out and I could help you with your shirt training. Also, I notice in your Avatar that you are lifting at Kate’s APA meet. I’ve competed at her meets 3 times - they are great. Are you going to lift there in May?
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
as i am sure no one is going to try every shirt til they find the perfect one. [/quote]
00ps! I’ve tried damn near everything out there trying to find the perfect one for me.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Some guys are better in shirts than others. Go train with novaear and get some help and it will be the best things you can do.
[quote]Power GnP wrote:
I bench 140-45kg raw, by far my weakest lift and slowest to develop as a 93kg Jr. lifter. The best I’ve done shirted to IPF regs is 180kg, so right now I’m lucky to get 40kg out of my Katana NXG super+.
Embarrassing. [/quote]
Psh… as a 275er (was 259 i think), I hit a relatively easy 340 but missed a huge 375 grinder.
And i jsut finally hit 300raw at about 240lbs. Now THATS embarrasing.
I used to think that bench was weakest link, but in reality I know damn well all my lifts are weak…
[quote] Matt wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
as i am sure no one is going to try every shirt til they find the perfect one.
00ps! I’ve tried damn near everything out there trying to find the perfect one for me.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Some guys are better in shirts than others. Go train with novaear and get some help and it will be the best things you can do.[/quote]
The Katana seems to be a lot like a double ply shirt; it’s very stiff and will literally pull you out of the groove if you aren’t strong enough. Even a normal fitting, unjacked Katana can give a huge amount if it’s forced in the right path.
Simply put, the guys who are getting more are stronger at the top end, and stronger at holding position on the descent. It’s not an apples to apples comparison unless you get double ply that is just as hard to take down and just as tight.
I don’t think there’s any real reason not to try one though. Mark Bell has benched 800+ in a Super Katana, and in a regular katana I get 100lbs carryover. 200lbs carryover is doable, as my training partner gets that out of his regular katana with no jacking and an IPF legal touch.
To the OP, your shirt must just be too big. The Bash is a multiply right?? I don’t see how you’re possibly touching mid 300’s in it!!
I’m wearing a 44 Katana at 242lb, my chest is around 46 at the moment I think. The shirt goes on relatively easy, I can get the arms on my self and over my head, just need someone to seat it from there.
Raw bench is about 150kg/330lb to 155kg/340lb touch and go, probably 10-15lb less paused. The minimum I’ve touched this training cycle in my shirt is 465lb, but should hopefully get around 440-450 down in the next couple of weeks. Those weights were not particularly hard to press back up either.
I’m gunning for 475lb in my meet in 7 weeks, so around 145lb worth of carryover (and thus far that’s with the collar pulled high because I don’t have the lockout to jack it down!).
My raw bench has stayed flat the last couple of months, going up by maybe 10lb, but my lat and upper back strength has increased massively, and that’s really fed into my shirted bench going up.
i think it needs more altering yes. with no jack, i can consistenly touch 315 for a few reps. with it jacked like crazy, i could only touch about 340ish.
i had the chest plate taken in some like i said, but no real other alterations were made. i will probably send it out again but not for a while (i am broke as a joke).
I’m currently looking at getting close to 100 lbs out of my single ply Katana. The shirt has the potential to give more once I get my lockout strength up and my upper back is strong enough to get down the last couple of inches.