Dieting with Shelby

Nutrition
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I haven’t started it, it’s en route but pretty much what he recommends across the board

Waxy Maize
BCAA
Whey Iso
a little taurine
creatine
Glycerine
Sea salt
and a LOT OF F’ING WATER lol

Glycerine and sea salt are my choice but he thinks they can be of benefit, I’ll also be using beta alinine capsules.

I double/triple checked with him on the amount of water for the totality of these shakes… I’m going to be sloshing to and from the gym but it should make for some tremendous pump

pre/during/post in varying amounts. While dieting we went all whole foods, only in the lean mass phase has he recommended I get those products.

Glad you liked the lettuce wrap thing, a couple times when I made it I ended up with way too much sauce and decided to run with it and eat it like a soup… not too shabby that way either :slight_smile: Basically steamed the veggies and poured out 1/2 the water, added the hot and soy sauce, mixed in the protein and portioned the peanut butter. Closed it off(I use lock and lock tupperware-great stuff) to give it a minute to mix flavors a bit and melt the PB and then mixed it all in together.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
I haven’t started it, it’s en route but pretty much what he recommends across the board

Waxy Maize
BCAA
Whey Iso
a little taurine
creatine
Glycerine
Sea salt
and a LOT OF F’ING WATER lol

Glycerine and sea salt are my choice but he thinks they can be of benefit, I’ll also be using beta alinine capsules.

I double/triple checked with him on the amount of water for the totality of these shakes… I’m going to be sloshing to and from the gym but it should make for some tremendous pump

pre/during/post in varying amounts. While dieting we went all whole foods, only in the lean mass phase has he recommended I get those products.

Glad you liked the lettuce wrap thing, a couple times when I made it I ended up with way too much sauce and decided to run with it and eat it like a soup… not too shabby that way either :slight_smile: Basically steamed the veggies and poured out 1/2 the water, added the hot and soy sauce, mixed in the protein and portioned the peanut butter. Closed it off(I use lock and lock tupperware-great stuff) to give it a minute to mix flavors a bit and melt the PB and then mixed it all in together.

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really no supps while cutting? interesting… i was thinking getting all of my carbs from whole foods but depending on what’s cheaper i think im either gonna go with 20 grams casein hydro or 40 grams BCAA’s para workout. idk how some guys do it but 5 days per week of pretty heavy lifting seems to be taking its toll…

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Beaul - nice work. your resolve is impressive.

Scott - i lost my hiit session about 8 weeks into the lean bulk phase. Also, would you mind taking a look at my next dc blast? I know you are active on that thread. I will be putting it together in the next couple of weeks with the goal of starting it near the end of July. This will allow me time to wrap up my current blast, take some time off, and then hit it again. How long do you plan on bulking? Misery loves company.

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Good job you guys. For you people on the low days - try going 12 weeks trace carbs.

As of last week I’m now cycling fat. 2 days pro/fat 1 day very low fat. He had the cardio at 80min every single day but I couldn’t hack it. It’s now down to 60 min.

Week 14. Still going.

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No supps around that time really.

Regular whole food meal before, regular meal afterward. Tomorrow is a mod day and I’ll train late afternoon so it’ll be something like

60-75 minutes pre
Steak+some crab meat(trying to “cut” my red meat with some leaner choices now)
Asparagus/Broccoli
almond butter

sometime within 30 minutes of post
Chicken
Brown rice

It’s going to be a tad more detailed oriented in a week or so but should be fun.

yonkeyschnitzel,

Go ahead and PM me your plan or post it in the DC thread, I’d be glad to take a look.

Offseason is from Monday until… infinity? lol We have talked about leaning down again next year so an overall trend towards lean mass gains till probably April/May.

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[quote]Darkane wrote:
Good job you guys. For you people on the low days - try going 12 weeks trace carbs.

As of last week I’m now cycling fat. 2 days pro/fat 1 day very low fat. He had the cardio at 80min every single day but I couldn’t hack it. It’s now down to 60 min.

Week 14. Still going. [/quote]

Sounds brutal. Are you seeing good results in those 14 weeks? I pray it doesnt come down to trace carbs for me. I love my 60 grams of oats on my med days. They would really be missed.

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Darkane
that’s rough man, im rooting for ya. if its any consolation i think i’m gonna be brought done to trace carbs as well. this past sunday i was told i was going to be transitioned onto a “very low carbs diet”. im at 60 grams a day now so im guessing ill get dropped to 30 this coming sunday…

how much more weight are you tring to lose?

Beaul
great progress! almost down 30 pounds, thats awesome… now what is it you said about this refeed? lol

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[quote]beaul wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:
Good job you guys. For you people on the low days - try going 12 weeks trace carbs.

As of last week I’m now cycling fat. 2 days pro/fat 1 day very low fat. He had the cardio at 80min every single day but I couldn’t hack it. It’s now down to 60 min.

Week 14. Still going. [/quote]

Sounds brutal. Are you seeing good results in those 14 weeks? I pray it doesnt come down to trace carbs for me. I love my 60 grams of oats on my med days. They would really be missed.

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Honestly? No I’m not happy at all.

I did a 12 week progressive and did ‘ok’. Lost 13 pounds total, (5 being wateR) and had to take 2 weeks off. In the two weeks I got my finances together and hired Shelby for another year.

Diet wise for the 2 weeks I just continued and took a week off of lifting to deload and off of cardio to heal my knee’s and feet. 80minutes of 130bpm walking everyday takes it’s toll lol.

My results aren’t even close to yours.

I started 6’3" 215.5lbs around 13.5% BF (estimate). I was Calipered at 12.8% a couple months prior. Currently sitting at 6’3" 205 12%BF after the 12 weeks. Yay?

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Darkane
that’s rough man, im rooting for ya. if its any consolation i think i’m gonna be brought done to trace carbs as well. this past sunday i was told i was going to be transitioned onto a “very low carbs diet”. im at 60 grams a day now so im guessing ill get dropped to 30 this coming sunday…

how much more weight are you tring to lose?

Beaul
great progress! almost down 30 pounds, thats awesome… now what is it you said about this refeed? lol

[/quote]
Well I want to Bulk actually but I need to get as lean as possible. I gain fat far far to easily and can’t bare the thought of cutting for a long time again. Basically took me 13 months to go from 20% and 236lbs, to where I am now. Originally stated 4 years ago at 305lbs and unknowen BF%. Along the way I hired a Biosig Practitioner, and worked with the Best Naturopathic doctor in my Province. I can safely say I have the worst fat loss genetics on Tmuscle.

I wonder if Tim Patterson will adopt me and somehow prove me wrong :D.

But Shelby insists I have 5 pounds of fat to loose before we can try anykind of lean bulk. We’ll see what happens. I’ve put my blind fate into Shelby, even though My intuition tells me otherwise.

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[quote]Darkane wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Darkane
that’s rough man, im rooting for ya. if its any consolation i think i’m gonna be brought done to trace carbs as well. this past sunday i was told i was going to be transitioned onto a “very low carbs diet”. im at 60 grams a day now so im guessing ill get dropped to 30 this coming sunday…

how much more weight are you tring to lose?

Beaul
great progress! almost down 30 pounds, thats awesome… now what is it you said about this refeed? lol

[/quote]
Well I want to Bulk actually but I need to get as lean as possible. I gain fat far far to easily and can’t bare the thought of cutting for a long time again. Basically took me 13 months to go from 20% and 236lbs, to where I am now. Originally stated 4 years ago at 305lbs and unknowen BF%. Along the way I hired a Biosig Practitioner, and worked with the Best Naturopathic doctor in my Province. I can safely say I have the worst fat loss genetics on Tmuscle.

I wonder if Tim Patterson will adopt me and somehow prove me wrong :D.

But Shelby insists I have 5 pounds of fat to loose before we can try anykind of lean bulk. We’ll see what happens. I’ve put my blind fate into Shelby, even though My intuition tells me otherwise. [/quote]

hmm i gain fat pretty easily myself. i dont think im as bad off as you are but i think i know how you feel. its the most frustrating thing ever watching my friends get drunk and eat fast food every night of the week while im eating oats and tuna on top of hours and hours of cardio and training… fuckers ;).

i hired shelby for the same reason you did i think: get lean enough to start putting on muscle. i signed up for the progressive thinking i was gonna get ripped but idk about that anymore… im on my fifth week now and havent made much progress. i wanted to get down to at least 12% bodyfat but i was really hoping to get down to 10%… shelby said he thought if every thing went smoothly he could get me down to 10% within the 12 weeks but i dont know if that’s gonna happen any more. i have a little over 7 weeks to go, but is it really plausible to think i can go from about 18% body fat to 10-12%?

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in your 12 weeks have you guys had any cheat meals?

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"yonkeyschnitzel,

Go ahead and PM me your plan or post it in the DC thread, I’d be glad to take a look.

Offseason is from Monday until… infinity? lol We have talked about leaning down again next year so an overall trend towards lean mass gains till probably April/May." [/quote]

Scott - Thanks, will do when I put the plan together, in about a month.

The length of your planned bulk seems to approximate mine… til death basically. lol. I think I am about 12 weeks in so far. Sounds like we are walking a similar path, bulking until feb/mar 2011, then diet. I am sure i will have to hit a mini diet up (6 weeks) somewhere in there. Cool, it will be nice to have someone to share in carbfuckingoverload. Careful what you wish for fellas.

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[quote]Darkane wrote:

Well I want to Bulk actually but I need to get as lean as possible. I gain fat far far to easily and can’t bare the thought of cutting for a long time again. Basically took me 13 months to go from 20% and 236lbs, to where I am now. Originally stated 4 years ago at 305lbs and unknowen BF%. Along the way I hired a Biosig Practitioner, and worked with the Best Naturopathic doctor in my Province. I can safely say I have the worst fat loss genetics on Tmuscle.

I wonder if Tim Patterson will adopt me and somehow prove me wrong :D.

But Shelby insists I have 5 pounds of fat to loose before we can try anykind of lean bulk. We’ll see what happens. I’ve put my blind fate into Shelby, even though My intuition tells me otherwise. [/quote]

Have you had any hormonal work done up in that time? Particularly thyroid but the full spectrum would paint a good picture.

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[quote]nickh2308 wrote:
in your 12 weeks have you guys had any cheat meals?[/quote]

Planned? or as in broken the diet?

We had a planned one a few weeks ago and I’ve requested a 1-2 along the way.

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Hey guys,

Im dieting with shelby as well right now. Started the week at 231 and was 226 this AM (Dropped water and glycogen I guess).

Had a half assed weights session on monday night and probably wont train until friday/the weekend. Not too worried about that, just using this week to get used to everything.

Shelby things ive got about 40lbs to lose to abs so I guess ill be at this for a while.

Keep up the good work everyone, Ill be following along

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Darkane
that’s rough man, im rooting for ya. if its any consolation i think i’m gonna be brought done to trace carbs as well. this past sunday i was told i was going to be transitioned onto a “very low carbs diet”. im at 60 grams a day now so im guessing ill get dropped to 30 this coming sunday…

how much more weight are you tring to lose?

Beaul
great progress! almost down 30 pounds, thats awesome… now what is it you said about this refeed? lol

[/quote]
Well I want to Bulk actually but I need to get as lean as possible. I gain fat far far to easily and can’t bare the thought of cutting for a long time again. Basically took me 13 months to go from 20% and 236lbs, to where I am now. Originally stated 4 years ago at 305lbs and unknowen BF%. Along the way I hired a Biosig Practitioner, and worked with the Best Naturopathic doctor in my Province. I can safely say I have the worst fat loss genetics on Tmuscle.

I wonder if Tim Patterson will adopt me and somehow prove me wrong :D.

But Shelby insists I have 5 pounds of fat to loose before we can try anykind of lean bulk. We’ll see what happens. I’ve put my blind fate into Shelby, even though My intuition tells me otherwise. [/quote]

hmm i gain fat pretty easily myself. i dont think im as bad off as you are but i think i know how you feel. its the most frustrating thing ever watching my friends get drunk and eat fast food every night of the week while im eating oats and tuna on top of hours and hours of cardio and training… fuckers ;).

i hired shelby for the same reason you did i think: get lean enough to start putting on muscle. i signed up for the progressive thinking i was gonna get ripped but idk about that anymore… im on my fifth week now and havent made much progress. i wanted to get down to at least 12% bodyfat but i was really hoping to get down to 10%… shelby said he thought if every thing went smoothly he could get me down to 10% within the 12 weeks but i dont know if that’s gonna happen any more. i have a little over 7 weeks to go, but is it really plausible to think i can go from about 18% body fat to 10-12%?[/quote]

I think its probably very optimistic…That would be a huge drop in 7 weeks and not something I think could be done without shedding a boat load of muscle.

I think the way to look at it is not “how soon can I get to 10%”, but more as something you will continue to work at until you get there. Whether that takes 7 weeks or 37 weeks is irrelevant, make it your goal and dont give up until you achieve it.

I think looking at it that way will make you much more likely to stick with it as well, rather than getting to 10% and then going back to old ways. Just my 0.02c

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[quote]MAF14 wrote:

Beaul
great progress! almost down 30 pounds, thats awesome… now what is it you said about this refeed? lol

[/quote]

Well, I just figured since you were all low carbs now, you would get a re-feed often. Maybe not, Doesn’t sound like Darkane gets any. I have no idea how i could maintain my strength and muscle without some carbs.

[quote]Darkane wrote:
Honestly? No I’m not happy at all.

[/quote]

Man that does sound like a bad spot to be in. So close though… Hopefully Shelby can figure something out. Like Scott M I would also be curious to know if you have had a full blood panel done?

[quote]yonkeyschnitzel wrote:

Cool, it will be nice to have someone to share in carbfuckingoverload. Careful what you wish for fellas.

[/quote]

Looking at my starting pics you can probably see I have no problem putting in the work in the kitchen. LOL… And I could easily do 4k plus on the list of foods he prescribes in my cut. I can’t wait, starting to wonder if I will ever get there though. Hopefully no more than 3 months and i can transition into weight gain.

[quote]nickh2308 wrote:
in your 12 weeks have you guys had any cheat meals?
[/quote]

He told me to have a cheat meal at weeks 10 and 11. Now in week 18 and haven’t had another. He mentioned we might do one a couple times, but then decided not to. Hate it when he does that… hahaha… I dont even want a cheat meal though, i would rather just have one of my old high days. I could go for a big plate of potatoes… mmmmmmm

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[quote]yonkeyschnitzel wrote:

The length of your planned bulk seems to approximate mine… til death basically. lol. I think I am about 12 weeks in so far. Sounds like we are walking a similar path, bulking until feb/mar 2011, then diet. I am sure i will have to hit a mini diet up (6 weeks) somewhere in there. Cool, it will be nice to have someone to share in carbfuckingoverload. Careful what you wish for fellas.[/quote]

Yeah Shelby and I have talked about it and he does feel it would be of benefit to diet down lean(we will push for near contest lean next year) and set up a big rebound…otherwise I’d be satisfied with lean mass with the occasional “mini diet” as he puts it.

I’m sure the novelty of the carbs will wear off, but 3 high days and 4 lows to start seems like a good time to me for awhile.

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[quote]cuzimsomoney wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:

[quote]MAF14 wrote:
Darkane
that’s rough man, im rooting for ya. if its any consolation i think i’m gonna be brought done to trace carbs as well. this past sunday i was told i was going to be transitioned onto a “very low carbs diet”. im at 60 grams a day now so im guessing ill get dropped to 30 this coming sunday…

how much more weight are you tring to lose?

Beaul
great progress! almost down 30 pounds, thats awesome… now what is it you said about this refeed? lol

[/quote]
Well I want to Bulk actually but I need to get as lean as possible. I gain fat far far to easily and can’t bare the thought of cutting for a long time again. Basically took me 13 months to go from 20% and 236lbs, to where I am now. Originally stated 4 years ago at 305lbs and unknowen BF%. Along the way I hired a Biosig Practitioner, and worked with the Best Naturopathic doctor in my Province. I can safely say I have the worst fat loss genetics on Tmuscle.

I wonder if Tim Patterson will adopt me and somehow prove me wrong :D.

But Shelby insists I have 5 pounds of fat to loose before we can try anykind of lean bulk. We’ll see what happens. I’ve put my blind fate into Shelby, even though My intuition tells me otherwise. [/quote]

hmm i gain fat pretty easily myself. i dont think im as bad off as you are but i think i know how you feel. its the most frustrating thing ever watching my friends get drunk and eat fast food every night of the week while im eating oats and tuna on top of hours and hours of cardio and training… fuckers ;).

i hired shelby for the same reason you did i think: get lean enough to start putting on muscle. i signed up for the progressive thinking i was gonna get ripped but idk about that anymore… im on my fifth week now and havent made much progress. i wanted to get down to at least 12% bodyfat but i was really hoping to get down to 10%… shelby said he thought if every thing went smoothly he could get me down to 10% within the 12 weeks but i dont know if that’s gonna happen any more. i have a little over 7 weeks to go, but is it really plausible to think i can go from about 18% body fat to 10-12%?[/quote]

I think its probably very optimistic…That would be a huge drop in 7 weeks and not something I think could be done without shedding a boat load of muscle.

I think the way to look at it is not “how soon can I get to 10%”, but more as something you will continue to work at until you get there. Whether that takes 7 weeks or 37 weeks is irrelevant, make it your goal and dont give up until you achieve it.

I think looking at it that way will make you much more likely to stick with it as well, rather than getting to 10% and then going back to old ways. Just my 0.02c[/quote]

yeah i agree. i am gonna go until i hit the 10-12% mark but i was just hoping i would be there by the time i go back college for the semester… oh well ill still be much leaner

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[quote]Scott M wrote:

[quote]Darkane wrote:

Well I want to Bulk actually but I need to get as lean as possible. I gain fat far far to easily and can’t bare the thought of cutting for a long time again. Basically took me 13 months to go from 20% and 236lbs, to where I am now. Originally stated 4 years ago at 305lbs and unknowen BF%. Along the way I hired a Biosig Practitioner, and worked with the Best Naturopathic doctor in my Province. I can safely say I have the worst fat loss genetics on Tmuscle.

I wonder if Tim Patterson will adopt me and somehow prove me wrong :D.

But Shelby insists I have 5 pounds of fat to loose before we can try anykind of lean bulk. We’ll see what happens. I’ve put my blind fate into Shelby, even though My intuition tells me otherwise. [/quote]

Have you had any hormonal work done up in that time? Particularly thyroid but the full spectrum would paint a good picture. [/quote]

I thought this would be asked :slight_smile:

In short, yes and very closely monitored in the last 2 full years.

Long story short Everything is real good. Couple issues however: Low total Testosterone, as in just barely over 300. That was 26 months ago. My doctor said blah blah you’re young healthy don’t worry about it. I’m like what? lol

Anyway - Submersed myself in all the Poliquin/Tmuscle/Coaches advise on Upping Natural T via diet/Supplementation including Alpha Male/Rez-V, ZMA blah blah diet etc.

Results? Total T up 40% in 12 months. I thought ok not bad, still below median level and I’m 27 years old in my prime.

I started seeing the Nautropath and we did full Male Panel. Curious, but my Free Testosterone was DOUBLE the high range. He asked me 4 times If I was on Gear. Obviously I wasn’t - but I was taking HRX, Interesting he thought.

I quit HRX, started working straight days at work (I’m in the oil patch and work alternating day/night shift sets 12hr’s/day) and re-tested with the Poliquin Biosig and Naturopath protcol hybrid. Results were as expected. My Free Test dropped, but still slightly above the high range which is Exactly where we’d like to be for a natural trainee. I thought ok still good right? But why don’t I get the results of this much Testosterone?

He consulted with Jeff Drobot (Head honcho of Nautropathy where I’m from) and couldn’t come up with answers. THe lab that did my results Chimed in and said I most likely have andorgen receptor down regulation from the heightened levels of Test. Weird since I’ve never touched an AAS. Just Biotest supps which I could go into detail later, but We Figured the HRX bumped my Free Test real high. We got a theory but I won’t go into it unless people want me too.

My Estradiol is good,
LH good,
FSH good,
TSH good.

Just got a new blood panel done 1 week ago, still waiting for Some results. This go around was everything + Serum Free Testosterone, LH, FSH, TSH, Estradiol, VItamin D 25-OH.

A real interesting thing is Cholesterol however. Eating 10 eggs and 5 whites a day for 13 weeks with Shelby barely affected my Chol. I mean I’m way below even the Low risk with a ratio of 2.6. Love all the naysayers that say eggs are the devil :smiley:

I have however gotten TSH back so far from the tests and yes it is a little sluggish right now. But last year it was decent and I still wasn’t lean :).

Slight Cortisol issues too but that’s due to sleep issues - Maybe. Aren’t doctors fun? They can never give you straight answers or just don’t give a fuck and dismiss you.