Did Arnold Do Olympic Lifts?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
yes arnold did them so did ronnie both started out in a weightlfitng club. [/quote]

That doesn’t mean Arnold even built half of his base of mass using olympic lifts. He also never recommended it to my knowledge.

Ronnie trained like a powerlifter. He also has a football background from college so he trained as such.[/quote]

I cant find the video of him saying it but he said it was important for BB’s to develop the posterior muscles like glutes and back which will give a balanced physic later in their career. [/quote]

Deadlifts and many other movements handle that just fine. If they didn’t, MOST PRO BODYBUILDERS WOULD TRAIN THAT WAY.

I mean, these guys get paid for this. While there may be some discussion on things like pushing a sled, you can pretty much bet that if powercleans were the missing key to bodybuilding success, no bodybuilder would miss it.

For the record, arnold also thought you would pump up the rib cage itself using pull overs. [/quote]

A couple months ago I remember you saying you didn’t do deadlifts, you didn’t need them to build your physique, what made you change your tune?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?

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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

If we’re talking NPC BB or IFBB, assume steroids and other hormones.

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I always thought Arnold did powerlifting when he was younger…

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:
yes arnold did them so did ronnie both started out in a weightlfitng club. [/quote]

That doesn’t mean Arnold even built half of his base of mass using olympic lifts. He also never recommended it to my knowledge.

Ronnie trained like a powerlifter. He also has a football background from college so he trained as such.[/quote]

I cant find the video of him saying it but he said it was important for BB’s to develop the posterior muscles like glutes and back which will give a balanced physic later in their career. [/quote]

Deadlifts and many other movements handle that just fine. If they didn’t, MOST PRO BODYBUILDERS WOULD TRAIN THAT WAY.

I mean, these guys get paid for this. While there may be some discussion on things like pushing a sled, you can pretty much bet that if powercleans were the missing key to bodybuilding success, no bodybuilder would miss it.

For the record, arnold also thought you would pump up the rib cage itself using pull overs. [/quote]

A couple months ago I remember you saying you didn’t do deadlifts, you didn’t need them to build your physique, what made you change your tune?[/quote]

I said I don’t do deadlifts but have nothing against them. That has been my stance for years because I built my back up bigger than many here by not doing them.

My goal is to take this further. To do that, I have to step out of my own comfort zone.

You have never seen me write that deadlifts are a useless exercise. You have seen me write that I didn’t need them to get to this size…and most people I see doing them have smaller backs.

CT stated I need more back width around my lower lats…indicating to me that I need to do something I have not done before or else I will see the same result.

It isn’t about “changing my tune”. It is about progression as it always has been.

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[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
I always thought Arnold did powerlifting when he was younger…[/quote]

He did. That is why finding youtube videos of him speaking to specific audiences an applying random statements as direct implications of his own training is a mistake.

The man also told a fan to lather up in motoroil and practice flexing in the shower.

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Written at the peak of his career, Arnold’s first book “The Education of a Bodybuilder” never mentions or prescribes Oly lifting to the reader.

He may have done some Oly lifting as a youth (the line between weightlifting and bodybuilding was more blurred back then, and many bodybuilding contests were regarded more or less as an afterthought attached at the end of weightlifting comps), but once his goals were clear, it was BBing all the way. However he did do some strength feats at points early on just to prove that BBers were as strong as they looked.

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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

Go to “repetrope.com”. You will be hard pressed to find NPC competitors who don’t have a back like that or bigger.

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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

Yes pro bodybuilders take steriods…that’s not a hidden secret please go beyond that point…not to mention many powerlifter, olympic lifters, and your regular average joe lifters use steriods as well. Lets put that poor argument to rest already…Back to your post, do you really think this guy has a more developed back than most Amateur bodybuilders? You can’t be serious?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The man also told a fan to lather up in motoroil and practice flexing in the shower.[/quote]

And who can forget him telling a guy asking for posing advice to scream at the adudience when he was hitting poses…

Or giving Franco “bad advices”

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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure the Olymipic guys have better drugs than the BB’ers. LOL they have to keep one step ahead of some of the more strict drug testing in the world no?

Plus, isn’t O-Lifting much more about speed and technique, to move a weight from point A to point B in one rep? So… Outside of doing it for fun, what is the carry-over to BB’ing?

Honest question. I mean your goal in O-Lifting is to lift as much while weighing as little as possible. BB’ing, it really doesn’t matter what you weigh if you look like a pimp, you look like a pimp, and 1RM’s are only relevant (in bb’ing) for pissing matches and bullshitting…

So… If you’re good at them, and enjoy them, and get results, do them. But I don’t see a NEED to program them in if you’re getting along well without them.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

I’m pretty sure the Olymipic guys have better drugs than the BB’ers. LOL they have to keep one step ahead of some of the more strict drug testing in the world no?

Plus, isn’t O-Lifting much more about speed and technique, to move a weight from point A to point B in one rep? So… Outside of doing it for fun, what is the carry-over to BB’ing?

Honest question. I mean your goal in O-Lifting is to lift as much while weighing as little as possible. BB’ing, it really doesn’t matter what you weigh if you look like a pimp, you look like a pimp, and 1RM’s are only relevant (in bb’ing) for pissing matches and bullshitting…

So… If you’re good at them, and enjoy them, and get results, do them. But I don’t see a NEED to program them in if you’re getting along well without them. [/quote]

i totally agree i was just answering the OPs question.

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[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

Yes pro bodybuilders take steriods…that’s not a hidden secret please go beyond that point…not to mention many powerlifter, olympic lifters, and your regular average joe lifters use steriods as well. Lets put that poor argument to rest already…Back to your post, do you really think this guy has a more developed back than most Amateur bodybuilders? You can’t be serious?[/quote]

firstly i was asking Pro X was he comparing him to natural or drug tested Bbers. Sceondly if your an amateur (and going by your response of you getting your feelings hurt and your panties in a twist) then yes judging by profile pic yes i am serious.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Using that speech as an outline to his own real training would likely be a mistake unless within context. The man is a talker.[/quote]
The thing is, though, there is context because Arnold did cut his teeth in an Olympic weightlifting gym training under Kurt Marnul (an Olympic weightlifter and former Mr. Austria) starting around 1961.

Summary of Arnold’s early competitive career. Remembering that he was born in 1947
1963 Olympic Lifting Competition (placing unknown, early 1963)
'63 Steirer Hof Hotel [bodybuilding] competition (2nd)
'64 Mr. Steiermark (4th, 26th April)
'64 Mr. Herkules (3rd, 26th April)
'64 Mr. Austria (3rd, 26th April)
'64 Styrian Junior Weightlifting Champion (1st, Autumn)
'65 Mr. Steiermark (1st, Spring)
'65 Austrian Olympic Lifting Champion (1st, Heavyweight, Summer)
'65 Best Built Junior Athlete of Europe (1st, 31st Oct)
'66 NABBA Mr. Universe (2nd Amateur, Class 1, 24th Sep)
'66 VDH-IFBB Best Built International Athlete (1st, 9th Oct)
'66 International Powerlifting Champion (1st, 80+ kg, 30th Oct)
'66 Best Built Athlete of Europe (1st, 30th Oct)
'67 German Powerlifting Championships (2nd, 80+ kg, 2nd Apr)
'67 NABBA Mr. Universe (1st Amateur, Class 1, 23rd Sept)
'67 Graz Paradise Keller Lifting Championships (2nd, Dec)
'68 German Powerlifting Champion (1st, 5th May)
'68 NABBA Mr. Universe (1st Pro, Sept)
Then, as we know, just bodybuilding contests from '69 onwards

So he started off competing in Olympic weightlifting, then transitioned to some powerlifting, while doing bodybuilding the whole time through.

This is probably the most important takeaway point for the OP.

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As far as that video goes I think his back looks ok and traps look good but aren’t behind the head shoulder presses considered really injury prone these days? :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]ignitionmm wrote:
As far as that video goes I think his back looks ok and traps look good but aren’t behind the head shoulder presses considered really injury prone these days? :P[/quote]

No just the idiots who do them are injury prone.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

It’s like comparing apples to oranges. The best back on an Oly lifter would never compare to that of an top notch bodybuilder. On the other hand, most bodybuilders could not power clean anything close to what an elite oly lifter could PC. And guess what, neither the bodybuilder or oly lifter could care less.

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[quote]TommyGunz32 wrote:
I always thought Arnold did powerlifting when he was younger…[/quote]

For what its worth, I recall reading a back training article by Arnold in a Muscle and Fitness circa 1978 ( wasn’t it called something else back then? )

In the article, Arnold said that he always liked to end the workout with a few sets of either deadlifts or power cleans to give his back a massive look that powerlifters and Oly lifters had. Who knows if he wrote the article? Just saying…

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[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

Yes pro bodybuilders take steriods…that’s not a hidden secret please go beyond that point…not to mention many powerlifter, olympic lifters, and your regular average joe lifters use steriods as well. Lets put that poor argument to rest already…Back to your post, do you really think this guy has a more developed back than most Amateur bodybuilders? You can’t be serious?[/quote]

firstly i was asking Pro X was he comparing him to natural or drug tested Bbers. Sceondly if your an amateur (and going by your response of you getting your feelings hurt and your panties in a twist) then yes judging by profile pic yes i am serious. [/quote]

Hell take a look at Stu’s back, a natural pro, or the various natural amateurs even, they are miles apart in back development compared to that guy. That is why you were asked if you were serious.

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[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Matt Szwarz wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

Im not arguing with you i know/care very little about BBing just answering the OP’s question. BUT look at Dimitry klokov’s back pretty imprssive yea? [/quote]

Compared to most people? yeah. Compared to most amateur or pro bodybuilders…no. [/quote]

I’d be intrested to see an amateur with a back similiar to his. also his goal wasnt to build a back for a BB comp and he is restricted to a weight class. Plus are you talking about pro BBers who are taking steroids?[/quote]

Yes pro bodybuilders take steriods…that’s not a hidden secret please go beyond that point…not to mention many powerlifter, olympic lifters, and your regular average joe lifters use steriods as well. Lets put that poor argument to rest already…Back to your post, do you really think this guy has a more developed back than most Amateur bodybuilders? You can’t be serious?[/quote]

firstly i was asking Pro X was he comparing him to natural or drug tested Bbers. Sceondly if your an amateur (and going by your response of you getting your feelings hurt and your panties in a twist) then yes judging by profile pic yes i am serious. [/quote]

Hell take a look at Stu’s back, a natural pro, or the various natural amateurs even, they are miles apart in back development compared to that guy. That is why you were asked if you were serious.
[/quote]

I would have said no im not serious but he got all butt hurt and took my post out of context.