Dickheads at the Gym

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
I put my water bottle down beside a machine too when someone’s using it to claim its mine once they are finished… I don’t see anything wrong with that. And I hope the people on the machine don’t think I’m trying to rush them because of it.

X, please just stop responding in this thread, I can see the veins poppin out of your head. I can see you’re getting frustrated with the Tnation people…would hate see you stop posting. [/quote]

Some of these people are just like that jackass who wouldn’t get off the machine. They hate to see anyone much bigger/stronger than them because they hate that sometimes, size does gain quite a bit of respect in many social situations…so they lash out.[/quote]

You have the worse case of “big man syndrome” I’ve ever heard of.

“Everybody hates me for being bigger than them! Grrr!”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

This guy CONTINUED TO SIT THERE AND MOVE ON TO HIS NEXT SET on a fucking calf raise machine AFTER SOMEONE ASKED TO USE THE MACHINE…and you think the guy with the problem is the one asking to use the machine???

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You serious? I do four sets on the seated calf raise machine, taking about a minute between each set. I had my headphones in and couldn’t hear shit.

I saw him staring at the back of my head, turned around and looked at him and he looked away. I was going to tell him I only had a set left had we made eye contact. I then turned and faced forward and I saw him in the mirror walk up to the side of me and his lips were moving.

I turned to him, took out an earplug, and said, “sorry man, couldn’t hear you, these things are earplugs, I’m on my last set.” He then proceeded to roll his eyes in a condescending fashion and set his water bottle next to the machine.

Honestly, I’m all about gym etiquette. The dude was just a dick head. I don’t know if it was because he was a lot bigger than me or what, but after reading some of your posts I think that might the the reason, lol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]markdp wrote:
Wow, haven’t been this ticked off at someone at my gym in a while.

So I’m sitting on the seated calf raise machine with about four plates loaded on it facing the way one is supposed to when using the machine. I look in the mirror and this dude is staring at the back of my head, about 4 feet behind me.

Now, this guy is pretty huge. Probably could be a pro BBer. I don’t know why this is relevant but thought I’d throw it in there.

So I turn and look at his face and he looks away. I continue to sit there waiting for my next set. The next thing I know he is at the side of me, talking (I wear the kind of headphones that are like earplugs and can’t hear shit with them in). I take one out and he says, “Hey, you using that.”

WTF DO YOU THINK YOU FUCKSTICK. NO, I’M JUST SITTING ON THIS THING, WITH BEADS OF SWEAT ON MY FACE AND PLATES ON THE MACHINE FOR NOTHING.

I say, “Ya, it’s my last set.”

He rolls his eyes, sighs, and puts down his water bottle about a three feet from me and proceeds to wait.

I don’t know why the shit pissed me off so much. Probably because when someone is on a machine, I sit back a ways and don’t stare at them like I am trying to rush them.

What do you guys think? Do you stand and stare at the person when you are waiting to use the machine they are on? Because if you do, you should kill yourself. thx.[/quote]

The guy in your situation came across like a fucking dickhead. He didn’t even have the ‘maturity’ to come over and ASK you how long you were going to be’ or even ASK to work in with you but instead chose to ‘eye rape’ you from behind like some sort of maniac! He is a dick and deserves no respect even if he has ‘weally big musculs’

A man monster at my gym did this sort of thing but then he took it a step further and was telling smaller guys to get out of his way! The gym committee (we are weight lifting club not a commercial gym) pulled him up for this and threatened to kick him out! He never did it again!

BTW this guy was Ireland’s strongest man so no special treatment! It sent a strong message out to any wannabe dickheads that this shit isnt tolerated!

Its the same with fuckers skipping ques, assholes being rude to table staff, basically people with a superiority complex. These people should be treated with the same disdain they treat others, pure and simple.

Fools hogging equipment in public gyms is another issue’ but as in life shit happens!

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First, the jackass you are now defending was wearing HEADPHONES that he himself claimed he could not hear anyone around because of…so how do you know the guy DIDN’T ask how long this guy was going to be? if this guy couldn’t hear him, you sure are jumping to conclusions.

Nothing this guy wrote makes the guy trying to use the piece of equipment out to be the asshole here.

The OP was simply sitting on a piece of equipment RESTING while IGNORING EVERYONE AROUND HIM when the proper action would have been to apologize if he couldn’t hear the guy and allow him to work in.

It’s a fucking calf raise machine. Why would he sit there until ALL of his sets are finished and allow no one else to work in?

How are you all seeing this from the perspective that you are other than this eluding to some sort of small man syndrome?

Why are you so pissed at “man monsters”?[/quote]

Jackass? For wearing headphones? Or because I was “ignoring” the guy? I wasn’t. I already said I turned and looked at him and he looked away.

Maybe he asked me how long I was going to be? wtf? When I see someone with headphones in I don’t talk to the back of their head and assume they can hear me.

Generally, when I’m at the gym I listen to my music, bust my ass, and get out of there.

Wanna work in? Go ahead and ask me I have no problem with it. When I want to work in with someone, I don’t stare at the back of their head. Usually, if I see them with headphones in, I walk around until they can see me and start talking.

It isn’t my responsibility to scan the gym in between sets looking for someone who wants to work in with me, then asking them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]worzel wrote:

[quote]markdp wrote:
Wow, haven’t been this ticked off at someone at my gym in a while.

So I’m sitting on the seated calf raise machine with about four plates loaded on it facing the way one is supposed to when using the machine. I look in the mirror and this dude is staring at the back of my head, about 4 feet behind me.

Now, this guy is pretty huge. Probably could be a pro BBer. I don’t know why this is relevant but thought I’d throw it in there.

So I turn and look at his face and he looks away. I continue to sit there waiting for my next set. The next thing I know he is at the side of me, talking (I wear the kind of headphones that are like earplugs and can’t hear shit with them in). I take one out and he says, “Hey, you using that.”

WTF DO YOU THINK YOU FUCKSTICK. NO, I’M JUST SITTING ON THIS THING, WITH BEADS OF SWEAT ON MY FACE AND PLATES ON THE MACHINE FOR NOTHING.

I say, “Ya, it’s my last set.”

He rolls his eyes, sighs, and puts down his water bottle about a three feet from me and proceeds to wait.

I don’t know why the shit pissed me off so much. Probably because when someone is on a machine, I sit back a ways and don’t stare at them like I am trying to rush them.

What do you guys think? Do you stand and stare at the person when you are waiting to use the machine they are on? Because if you do, you should kill yourself. thx.[/quote]

The guy in your situation came across like a fucking dickhead. He didn’t even have the ‘maturity’ to come over and ASK you how long you were going to be’ or even ASK to work in with you but instead chose to ‘eye rape’ you from behind like some sort of maniac! He is a dick and deserves no respect even if he has ‘weally big musculs’

A man monster at my gym did this sort of thing but then he took it a step further and was telling smaller guys to get out of his way! The gym committee (we are weight lifting club not a commercial gym) pulled him up for this and threatened to kick him out! He never did it again!

BTW this guy was Ireland’s strongest man so no special treatment! It sent a strong message out to any wannabe dickheads that this shit isnt tolerated!

Its the same with fuckers skipping ques, assholes being rude to table staff, basically people with a superiority complex. These people should be treated with the same disdain they treat others, pure and simple.

Fools hogging equipment in public gyms is another issue’ but as in life shit happens!

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First, the jackass you are now defending was wearing HEADPHONES that he himself claimed he could not hear anyone around because of…so how do you know the guy DIDN’T ask how long this guy was going to be? if this guy couldn’t hear him, you sure are jumping to conclusions.

Nothing this guy wrote makes the guy trying to use the piece of equipment out to be the asshole here.

The OP was simply sitting on a piece of equipment RESTING while IGNORING EVERYONE AROUND HIM when the proper action would have been to apologize if he couldn’t hear the guy and allow him to work in.

It’s a fucking calf raise machine. Why would he sit there until ALL of his sets are finished and allow no one else to work in?

How are you all seeing this from the perspective that you are other than this eluding to some sort of small man syndrome?

Why are you so pissed at “man monsters”?[/quote]

I’m not pissed at ‘man monsters’ lol, in fact this particular ‘man monster’ is a good friend of mine but it doesnt change the fact that he was being a dick to people he thought would take it.

The OP was eyeballed from behind! The OP then expalined he looked to see what this fella was looking at but the guy turned away? (oportunity to engage in a mature conversation LOST!)

So the OP continued on until he saw this guy talking to him and then proceeded to take his earphones out’ to see what was up?

At this instance the big fella should have then realised ‘oh wait a minute, this guy didnt actually hear me (if indeed he was actually trying to talk to him) so I think it would be appropriate to loose the attitude and approach this in a normal non-confrontational way’ but he didnt! He was obviously pissed and in response so to was the OP.

Resting for under ‘60 SECONDS’ as stated by the OP does not mean sitting around on his arse antagonising other gym users. In fact suggesting he was hogging the machine is a bit excessive!

Ignoring everyone around him? Jesus dont make me laugh, he was training for fuck sake! Why should he bother with other gym users unless they approach him in acivilised manner?[/quote]

?

While during a set I am usually in a zone, in between sets, there is no way I won’t see someone waiting for the same piece of equipment. I may be focused, but blind to my environment is not what I fall into…ESPECIALLY if they look like a fucking pro bodybuilder like the OP stated.

Maybe the OP needs glasses.
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lol, I did notice him. That is why I said I turned to look at him.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:
I put my water bottle down beside a machine too when someone’s using it to claim its mine once they are finished… I don’t see anything wrong with that. And I hope the people on the machine don’t think I’m trying to rush them because of it.

X, please just stop responding in this thread, I can see the veins poppin out of your head. I can see you’re getting frustrated with the Tnation people…would hate see you stop posting. [/quote]

Some of these people are just like that jackass who wouldn’t get off the machine. They hate to see anyone much bigger/stronger than them because they hate that sometimes, size does gain quite a bit of respect in many social situations…so they lash out.[/quote]

Wow. It’s kinda sad when I read some of these posts. If you have friends in real life, you must act quite a bit different.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would he sit there until ALL of his sets are finished and allow no one else to work in?[/quote]

Where did the OP write that he sat on the calf machine during EVERY rest period after every set, and where did he write that he didn’t allow the other guy to work in?

From what I gathered, the bigger dude didn’t even ask to work in. Well, unless you consider asking how many sets the OP had left to be ‘asking’. Of course, with only one set left and the OP stating he rests less than a minute between sets it’s not at all unreasonable to not even bother with extending an offer for something the guy was too douchey to straight up ask for - yet still throw a hissy fit over - in the first place.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would he sit there until ALL of his sets are finished and allow no one else to work in?[/quote]

Where did the OP write that he sat on the calf machine during EVERY rest period after every set, and where did he write that he didn’t allow the other guy to work in?

From what I gathered, the bigger dude didn’t even ask to work in. Well, unless you consider asking how many sets the OP had left to be ‘asking’. Of course, with only one set left and the OP stating he rests less than a minute between sets it’s not at all unreasonable to not even bother with extending an offer for something the guy was too douchey to straight up ask for - yet still throw a hissy fit over - in the first place.[/quote]

Asking how many sets you have left also stands for “let me work in” unless the weight difference between the two is an issue.

You should really update that Gym-Ebster’s Dictionary.

So, yeah, if the guy was perceived to not be training that hard, continuing to do another set could very well make the guy waiting wonder what the hold up is.

You can chalk that up to a communication error or whatever, but the fact still remains he did another set even though someone was clearly waiting on the machine and you are ASSUMING he was only resting for 60 seconds between sets or that he appeared to be training seriously.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it does not make you a random newb.

However, let me put it like this. If I see Ronnie Coleman in the gym and as he walks towards me he says, “Hey buuuday, ain’t nuthin’ but a peanut but I need to work in on that machine”…I am going to either let him work in immediately or get the fuck off the machine.

But then, I actually have some concept of what it takes to even get bigger than average and don’t hold the opinion that everyone is a special snowflake and everyone everywhere deserves the exact same level of respect regardless of achievement.

I would not rush off the equipment for some guy weighing a buck fifty who can barely benchpress the bar.[/quote]

So, if you’re on a treadmill getting a little cardio in and I come up to you while you’re lumbering along…would you get the fuck off so I could get on, what with I’m going to run a goodly distance at a decent pace, which capacity my physique presumably reflects? Or are you going to tell me to fuck off because your little ten minute lumber is no less important to you than my five mile run is to me?[/quote]

How the hell does cardio equipment factor into this? People are on cardio equipment for 30 minutes or more at a time no matter their strength level and no matter their size. There are no plates that need to come on and off between “riders” of a treadmill. In effect, riding a piece of cardio equipment has ZERO effect on the people around you other than simply being a body taking up space for 30min at a time.

We are discussing WEIGHT FUCK LIFTING, where the strength level of the person trying to work in with you factors FUCKING GREATLY into how two people can even work around each other.

Are some of you being obtuse on purpose?

Hell no, I would likely NOT move out of the way for you to work in with me on a movement because you are likely NOT using anywhere near the same weight that I am.

If you are, then work on in.

That is unless YOU ALONE would like to load and unload all of the plates making up the difference between us.

It is amazing that this shit needs the fat crayons.

If we give an arbitrary weight range to describe a certain strength level or size level, apparently everyone in every possible sub division of human life not included will start complaining for being left out.

Some jackass who hardly ever comes to the gym is simply not going to get the exact same treatment as someone who looks like they know what the hell they are doing and have made great progress beyond average. If this offends you, deal with it.

That’s life.[/quote]

No, I’m not being obtuse and nor do I think I’ve been abstruse. It’s very simple; in response to your claim that you would either let Ronnie Coleman work in or “get the fuck off” a piece of equipment due to his obvious superiority in the endeavor in question (lifting, lest we lose track), I am asking if you would “get the fuck off” a piece of equipment geared to an endeavor in which my progress and ability far exceeds your own (now we’ve shifted to running). This is an analogy, X. In it, you are to lifting as I am to running and the calf raise machine is to lifting as the treadmill is to running.

So my question to you is, would you get off the goddamn treadmill so someone more advanced than yourself could use it, or is it only your particular shape of special, special snowflake that matters?

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I already answered you, snowflake. Your treadmill analogy holds no weight at all because there is no relation between you and someone else when on a treadmill. There is no removing plates, stopping the machine, or changing the pace or incline for different users at odd intervals.

The same does not hold true for lifting weights with someone SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER AND STRONGER than you.

HOWEVER, you can bet that if I was on a treadmill and someone announced that the US Olympic track team needed to use some treadmills and they were all being used right now, I would get the fuck off the equipment and let them use it.

Therefore, once again, why the hell do YOU have a problem with that?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would he sit there until ALL of his sets are finished and allow no one else to work in?[/quote]

Where did the OP write that he sat on the calf machine during EVERY rest period after every set, and where did he write that he didn’t allow the other guy to work in?

From what I gathered, the bigger dude didn’t even ask to work in. Well, unless you consider asking how many sets the OP had left to be ‘asking’. Of course, with only one set left and the OP stating he rests less than a minute between sets it’s not at all unreasonable to not even bother with extending an offer for something the guy was too douchey to straight up ask for - yet still throw a hissy fit over - in the first place.[/quote]

Asking how many sets you have left also stands for “let me work in” unless the weight difference between the two is an issue.

You should really update that Gym-Ebster’s Dictionary.

So, yeah, if the guy was perceived to not be training that hard, continuing to do another set could very well make the guy waiting wonder what the hold up is.

You can chalk that up to a communication error or whatever, but the fact still remains he did another set even though someone was clearly waiting on the machine and you are ASSUMING he was only resting for 60 seconds between sets or that he appeared to be training seriously.
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Sorry X, I gotta throw the flag at this one. If I want to work in with someone, I ask if I can work in. If I’m asking how many sets a person has left, it means I want to know how many sets that person has. The OP clarified the situation a bit. Gotta say, the other guy was a douche, based on that clarification. At the moment, I think a quiet exit would be best, as that elitist badge is shining brighter and brighter. Not good. While I greatly appreciate the knowledge you bring to the table, I can’t get down with your stance in this situation.

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[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would he sit there until ALL of his sets are finished and allow no one else to work in?[/quote]

Where did the OP write that he sat on the calf machine during EVERY rest period after every set, and where did he write that he didn’t allow the other guy to work in?

From what I gathered, the bigger dude didn’t even ask to work in. Well, unless you consider asking how many sets the OP had left to be ‘asking’. Of course, with only one set left and the OP stating he rests less than a minute between sets it’s not at all unreasonable to not even bother with extending an offer for something the guy was too douchey to straight up ask for - yet still throw a hissy fit over - in the first place.[/quote]

Asking how many sets you have left also stands for “let me work in” unless the weight difference between the two is an issue.

You should really update that Gym-Ebster’s Dictionary.

So, yeah, if the guy was perceived to not be training that hard, continuing to do another set could very well make the guy waiting wonder what the hold up is.

You can chalk that up to a communication error or whatever, but the fact still remains he did another set even though someone was clearly waiting on the machine and you are ASSUMING he was only resting for 60 seconds between sets or that he appeared to be training seriously.
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Sorry X, I gotta throw the flag at this one. If I want to work in with someone, I ask if I can work in. If I’m asking how many sets a person has left, it means I want to know how many sets that person has. The OP clarified the situation a bit. Gotta say, the other guy was a douche, based on that clarification. At the moment, I think a quiet exit would be best, as that elitist badge is shining brighter and brighter. Not good. While I greatly appreciate the knowledge you bring to the table, I can’t get down with your stance in this situation. [/quote]

Why would I care whether you agree with me? Neither one of us were there, but one thing is true, the OP couldn’t even hear everything the guy said or how many times he said it…meaning it is now up to you to assume who was in the wrong here.

The other guy isn’t here to defend himself at all…but my guess is that if he were, we would get a much different picture of events.

There is no “elitism” involved at all.

You ASSUME quite a bit here when one party was oblivious to what was going on around him other than seeing someone look at him…and then you assume the other guy’s intentions and attitude, based on what?

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it does not make you a random newb.

However, let me put it like this. If I see Ronnie Coleman in the gym and as he walks towards me he says, “Hey buuuday, ain’t nuthin’ but a peanut but I need to work in on that machine”…I am going to either let him work in immediately or get the fuck off the machine.

But then, I actually have some concept of what it takes to even get bigger than average and don’t hold the opinion that everyone is a special snowflake and everyone everywhere deserves the exact same level of respect regardless of achievement.

I would not rush off the equipment for some guy weighing a buck fifty who can barely benchpress the bar.[/quote]

So, if you’re on a treadmill getting a little cardio in and I come up to you while you’re lumbering along…would you get the fuck off so I could get on, what with I’m going to run a GOODLY distance at a decent pace, which capacity my physique presumably reflects? Or are you going to tell me to fuck off because your little ten minute lumber is no less important to you than my five mile run is to me?[/quote]

Goodly? huh?

.greg.

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I know we have a Bodybuilding Bible and a lot of good threads on this site but is there a gym etiquette thread with basic common gym courtesies, do’s and dont’s?

.greg.

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personally I think asking “how many sets do you have left?” can mean “can I work in?”

I think asking that leaves the door open for the person in question to say “Oh i have (X amount of sets) left” or “I have (X amount of sets) left but you can work in with me if you want?”

Thats kinda how I view it. Theres nothing wrong with asking to work in with someone who is doing pull ups, dips or a cable machine (cause the weight is easily changed) but I personally wouldnt ask to work in on squat, bench, DL or something like that unless I was going to use the same weight as the person already using it.

.greg.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I know we have a Bodybuilding Bible and a lot of good threads on this site but is there a gym etiquette thread with basic common gym courtesies, do’s and dont’s?

.greg.[/quote]

I mean some of it is common sense, some of it is pure courtesy, but also some of it is perspective. I was once scolded by a gentleman for dropping my weights. Now, if i were on an incline bench doing presses, yea dropping them from that height would be unnecessary and rude; however, i was on a decline bench, pressing some heavy ass dumbbells. Lol you just dont do a situp with 240+lbs in your hands after a set of decline presses. So you’re gonna get some varying views, regardless of how retarded it may actually be.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
personally I think asking “how many sets do you have left?” can mean “can I work in?”

I think asking that leaves the door open for the person in question to say “Oh i have (X amount of sets) left” or “I have (X amount of sets) left but you can work in with me if you want?”

Thats kinda how I view it. Theres nothing wrong with asking to work in with someone who is doing pull ups, dips or a cable machine (cause the weight is easily changed) but I personally wouldnt ask to work in on squat, bench, DL or something like that unless I was going to use the same weight as the person already using it.

.greg.[/quote]

That’s how it’s been at every gym I’ve trained at.

The conversation is usually:

“how many sets do you have left?”

“X more, but you can work in if you want.”

Period. New friendships get made, the gym bubbles over with a monocolored heterosexual rainbow and no one gets hurt.

I have never experienced someone actually needing to say, “how many sets do you have left” AS WELL AS “well, then, can I work in” unless the guy you are speaking to is an asshole…but then, it is clear some of these guys either don’t train in gyms with anyone with any size on them, or they are all newbs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it does not make you a random newb.

However, let me put it like this. If I see Ronnie Coleman in the gym and as he walks towards me he says, “Hey buuuday, ain’t nuthin’ but a peanut but I need to work in on that machine”…I am going to either let him work in immediately or get the fuck off the machine.

But then, I actually have some concept of what it takes to even get bigger than average and don’t hold the opinion that everyone is a special snowflake and everyone everywhere deserves the exact same level of respect regardless of achievement.

I would not rush off the equipment for some guy weighing a buck fifty who can barely benchpress the bar.[/quote]

So, if you’re on a treadmill getting a little cardio in and I come up to you while you’re lumbering along…would you get the fuck off so I could get on, what with I’m going to run a goodly distance at a decent pace, which capacity my physique presumably reflects? Or are you going to tell me to fuck off because your little ten minute lumber is no less important to you than my five mile run is to me?[/quote]

How the hell does cardio equipment factor into this? People are on cardio equipment for 30 minutes or more at a time no matter their strength level and no matter their size. There are no plates that need to come on and off between “riders” of a treadmill. In effect, riding a piece of cardio equipment has ZERO effect on the people around you other than simply being a body taking up space for 30min at a time.

We are discussing WEIGHT FUCK LIFTING, where the strength level of the person trying to work in with you factors FUCKING GREATLY into how two people can even work around each other.

Are some of you being obtuse on purpose?

Hell no, I would likely NOT move out of the way for you to work in with me on a movement because you are likely NOT using anywhere near the same weight that I am.

If you are, then work on in.

That is unless YOU ALONE would like to load and unload all of the plates making up the difference between us.

It is amazing that this shit needs the fat crayons.

If we give an arbitrary weight range to describe a certain strength level or size level, apparently everyone in every possible sub division of human life not included will start complaining for being left out.

Some jackass who hardly ever comes to the gym is simply not going to get the exact same treatment as someone who looks like they know what the hell they are doing and have made great progress beyond average. If this offends you, deal with it.

That’s life.[/quote]

No, I’m not being obtuse and nor do I think I’ve been abstruse. It’s very simple; in response to your claim that you would either let Ronnie Coleman work in or “get the fuck off” a piece of equipment due to his obvious superiority in the endeavor in question (lifting, lest we lose track), I am asking if you would “get the fuck off” a piece of equipment geared to an endeavor in which my progress and ability far exceeds your own (now we’ve shifted to running). This is an analogy, X. In it, you are to lifting as I am to running and the calf raise machine is to lifting as the treadmill is to running.

So my question to you is, would you get off the goddamn treadmill so someone more advanced than yourself could use it, or is it only your particular shape of special, special snowflake that matters?

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I already answered you, snowflake. Your treadmill analogy holds no weight at all because there is no relation between you and someone else when on a treadmill. There is no removing plates, stopping the machine, or changing the pace or incline for different users at odd intervals.

The same does not hold true for lifting weights with someone SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER AND STRONGER than you.

HOWEVER, you can bet that if I was on a treadmill and someone announced that the US Olympic track team needed to use some treadmills and they were all being used right now, I would get the fuck off the equipment and let them use it.

Therefore, once again, why the hell do YOU have a problem with that?[/quote]

Your insistence on belaboring the thing about the plate removal makes me wonder if you’re being deliberately obtuse. Because the losers in our various hypotheticals are too weak for you to comfortably work in with, remember? You stated that they’d have to strain themselves servicing your much greater weight needs or forget it, there’s no fucking way you’re loading and unloading the plates (“unless YOU ALONE would like to load and unload all of the plates making up the difference between us,” you said).

But okay, you answered my question about the treadmill. Thank you! Now I wonder, if the US Olympic track team worked out at your gym regularly, would you bow and scrape your way off the treadmill for them consistently, or is it just a one-time thing? Because personally, I wouldn’t. I’d be honored to work out with them and interested to hear about their training and diet, but if we share a gym we share a gym. They should work out at home if they have special needs.

So, in summary, I have a problem with the toadying you seem to expect. You do what you do (presumably) because you love to do it. Your needs are your own responsibility, not the problem of random gym users.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it does not make you a random newb.

However, let me put it like this. If I see Ronnie Coleman in the gym and as he walks towards me he says, “Hey buuuday, ain’t nuthin’ but a peanut but I need to work in on that machine”…I am going to either let him work in immediately or get the fuck off the machine.

But then, I actually have some concept of what it takes to even get bigger than average and don’t hold the opinion that everyone is a special snowflake and everyone everywhere deserves the exact same level of respect regardless of achievement.

I would not rush off the equipment for some guy weighing a buck fifty who can barely benchpress the bar.[/quote]

So, if you’re on a treadmill getting a little cardio in and I come up to you while you’re lumbering along…would you get the fuck off so I could get on, what with I’m going to run a GOODLY distance at a decent pace, which capacity my physique presumably reflects? Or are you going to tell me to fuck off because your little ten minute lumber is no less important to you than my five mile run is to me?[/quote]

Goodly? huh?

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Main Entry: good·ly
Pronunciation: \Ë?guÌ?d-lÄ?
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): good·li·er; good·li·est
Date: before 12th century
1 : pleasantly attractive
2 : significantly large : considerable

Er, I was using the second definition. Why I didn’t simply use “good,” I have no idea.
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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it does not make you a random newb.

However, let me put it like this. If I see Ronnie Coleman in the gym and as he walks towards me he says, “Hey buuuday, ain’t nuthin’ but a peanut but I need to work in on that machine”…I am going to either let him work in immediately or get the fuck off the machine.

But then, I actually have some concept of what it takes to even get bigger than average and don’t hold the opinion that everyone is a special snowflake and everyone everywhere deserves the exact same level of respect regardless of achievement.

I would not rush off the equipment for some guy weighing a buck fifty who can barely benchpress the bar.[/quote]

So, if you’re on a treadmill getting a little cardio in and I come up to you while you’re lumbering along…would you get the fuck off so I could get on, what with I’m going to run a goodly distance at a decent pace, which capacity my physique presumably reflects? Or are you going to tell me to fuck off because your little ten minute lumber is no less important to you than my five mile run is to me?[/quote]

How the hell does cardio equipment factor into this? People are on cardio equipment for 30 minutes or more at a time no matter their strength level and no matter their size. There are no plates that need to come on and off between “riders” of a treadmill. In effect, riding a piece of cardio equipment has ZERO effect on the people around you other than simply being a body taking up space for 30min at a time.

We are discussing WEIGHT FUCK LIFTING, where the strength level of the person trying to work in with you factors FUCKING GREATLY into how two people can even work around each other.

Are some of you being obtuse on purpose?

Hell no, I would likely NOT move out of the way for you to work in with me on a movement because you are likely NOT using anywhere near the same weight that I am.

If you are, then work on in.

That is unless YOU ALONE would like to load and unload all of the plates making up the difference between us.

It is amazing that this shit needs the fat crayons.

If we give an arbitrary weight range to describe a certain strength level or size level, apparently everyone in every possible sub division of human life not included will start complaining for being left out.

Some jackass who hardly ever comes to the gym is simply not going to get the exact same treatment as someone who looks like they know what the hell they are doing and have made great progress beyond average. If this offends you, deal with it.

That’s life.[/quote]

No, I’m not being obtuse and nor do I think I’ve been abstruse. It’s very simple; in response to your claim that you would either let Ronnie Coleman work in or “get the fuck off” a piece of equipment due to his obvious superiority in the endeavor in question (lifting, lest we lose track), I am asking if you would “get the fuck off” a piece of equipment geared to an endeavor in which my progress and ability far exceeds your own (now we’ve shifted to running). This is an analogy, X. In it, you are to lifting as I am to running and the calf raise machine is to lifting as the treadmill is to running.

So my question to you is, would you get off the goddamn treadmill so someone more advanced than yourself could use it, or is it only your particular shape of special, special snowflake that matters?

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I already answered you, snowflake. Your treadmill analogy holds no weight at all because there is no relation between you and someone else when on a treadmill. There is no removing plates, stopping the machine, or changing the pace or incline for different users at odd intervals.

The same does not hold true for lifting weights with someone SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER AND STRONGER than you.

HOWEVER, you can bet that if I was on a treadmill and someone announced that the US Olympic track team needed to use some treadmills and they were all being used right now, I would get the fuck off the equipment and let them use it.

Therefore, once again, why the hell do YOU have a problem with that?[/quote]

Your insistence on belaboring the thing about the plate removal makes me wonder if you’re being deliberately obtuse. Because the losers in our various hypotheticals are too weak for you to comfortably work in with, remember? You stated that they’d have to strain themselves servicing your much greater weight needs or forget it, there’s no fucking way you’re loading and unloading the plates (“unless YOU ALONE would like to load and unload all of the plates making up the difference between us,” you said).

But okay, you answered my question about the treadmill. Thank you! Now I wonder, if the US Olympic track team worked out at your gym regularly, would you bow and scrape your way off the treadmill for them consistently, or is it just a one-time thing? Because personally, I wouldn’t. I’d be honored to work out with them and interested to hear about their training and diet, but if we share a gym we share a gym. They should work out at home if they have special needs.

So, in summary, I have a problem with the toadying you seem to expect. You do what you do (presumably) because you love to do it. Your needs are your own responsibility, not the problem of random gym users.[/quote]

LOL.

If I see a fitness model who I know has a contest coming up because I speak to her often, if she needs to use a piece of equipment that I am on, I am much more likely to get off it than I would with someone else. If you wouldn’t, fine. How you think that makes you a better person is a mystery.

Everyone in the gym isn’t even there to train. Some are there to get phone numbers…or to be seen…or to read a good book while sitting on a leg extension machine.

YOU for some strange reason that has yet to be unfolded before me seem to think all of those people should be treated exactly the same in all situations as the fitness models the serious bodybuilders, the powerlifters or anyone else who actually LOOKS like they train hard.

I think you are being unrealistic…simply because that sounds cute and looks good on bumper stickers.

I personally hate bumper stickers.

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My bumper sticker says “Be unrealistic”? Or “Be fair”? Or what?

I would probably let the fitness model in, too. It’s the assumption that it’s my responsibility to do so and that she has the right to be pissed if I don’t that galls me. If we’re friendly and we talk I’ll probably bend over backwards to assist her. Same with you, for that matter. I support the attainment of goals. I just expect graciousness from all parties involved.

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X, you seem to assume that other people at the gym should give half a flying fuck how big you are.

Please explain.