[quote]debraD wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. And just because the T-Nation is the wrong place does not excuse the jackassery.
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And how do you know the advice isn’t serious and heartfelt even if theoretically false or, in some cases, incomplete?
You are being arrogant. Lower yourself and see the beauty you so clearly misunderstand.
OP, you should definately try mega dosing fish oil. There’s plenty of evidence that it has a positive effect on depression. May do sweet fuck all for you but it can’t hurt either. Just throwing it out there.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Two wrongs do not make a right. And just because the T-Nation is the wrong place does not excuse the jackassery.
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And how do you know the advice isn’t serious and heartfelt even if theoretically false or, in some cases, incomplete?
You are being arrogant. Lower yourself and see the beauty you so clearly misunderstand.[/quote]
Because I know. You have the entire forum for screwing around, how about leaving the screwing around out of threads like this? I mean that sincerely. I don’t see anything wrong with the shenanigans that go on but this subject matter isn’t the place for playing.
That is all I have to say. I’m not going to play with you.
I haven’t been screwing around. Totally serious and exercise / light hearted environments were seconded by professionals and the depressed both. But you’re the pro.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
[quote]MaliMedved wrote:
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
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Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.
CHANT IT.
(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]
How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]
Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.
Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.
Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]
That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.
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What about, “Walk it off” Or, “Ignore it until it goes away” ?
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^Isn’t that basically what HG is suggesting?
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
[quote]MaliMedved wrote:
[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
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Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.
CHANT IT.
(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]
How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]
Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.
Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.
Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]
That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.
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What about, “Walk it off” Or, “Ignore it until it goes away” ?
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^Isn’t that basically what HG is suggesting?[/quote]
edit: never mind
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
LOL, thanks. I wish it were that simple, if it was I would be happy all the time.
The mind can be a terrible thing, some OCD sufferers have to deal with constant intrusive and unpleasant thoughts unfortunately just thinking good thoughts doesn’t help when they are not spontaneous.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
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Sure its helpful but to what degree/length?
The more you exercise doesn’t make it better. It’s like telling an addict the more they do, the better the high. Eventually the chemical reaction just isn’t the same.
If you have something bigger than mild or situational depression, unless you’re dealing with the cause, all the exercise in the world is not going to make you better.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
No one is arguing that it cant help. And it certainly couldnt hurt. However, you seem to be suggesting that simply being positive, exercising, and creating a light hearted environment is some kinda of magical cure, which it is not. I also realize that I wont find the cure on a T-Nation forum from random people on the internet. I knew that I was going to get some snide remarks, some good advice, and some not so good. That being said, maybe this wasnt the best place, but I have gotten some great advice from people who have been in similar situations and who have been able to point me in the right direction and suggested other places to go.
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
No one is arguing that it cant help. And it certainly couldnt hurt. However, you seem to be suggesting that simply being positive, exercising, and creating a light hearted environment is some kinda of magical cure, which it is not. I also realize that I wont find the cure on a T-Nation forum from random people on the internet. I knew that I was going to get some snide remarks, some good advice, and some not so good. That being said, maybe this wasnt the best place, but I have gotten some great advice from people who have been in similar situations and who have been able to point me in the right direction and suggested other places to go.
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The intent was helpful advice and I’m glad it was.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
No one is arguing that it cant help. And it certainly couldnt hurt. However, you seem to be suggesting that simply being positive, exercising, and creating a light hearted environment is some kinda of magical cure, which it is not. I also realize that I wont find the cure on a T-Nation forum from random people on the internet. I knew that I was going to get some snide remarks, some good advice, and some not so good. That being said, maybe this wasnt the best place, but I have gotten some great advice from people who have been in similar situations and who have been able to point me in the right direction and suggested other places to go.
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The intent was helpful advice and I’m glad it was.[/quote]
yeah i got it. Although I dont see how saying “damn! beat me to it.” after someone told me to kill myself was helpful advice LOL. 
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
No one is arguing that it cant help. And it certainly couldnt hurt. However, you seem to be suggesting that simply being positive, exercising, and creating a light hearted environment is some kinda of magical cure, which it is not. I also realize that I wont find the cure on a T-Nation forum from random people on the internet. I knew that I was going to get some snide remarks, some good advice, and some not so good. That being said, maybe this wasnt the best place, but I have gotten some great advice from people who have been in similar situations and who have been able to point me in the right direction and suggested other places to go.
[/quote]
The intent was helpful advice and I’m glad it was.[/quote]
yeah i got it. Although I dont see how saying “damn! beat me to it.” after someone told me to kill myself was helpful advice LOL. [/quote]Well that was the inevitable sarcasm. It’s a good thing I didn’t post a pic.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
No one is arguing that it cant help. And it certainly couldnt hurt. However, you seem to be suggesting that simply being positive, exercising, and creating a light hearted environment is some kinda of magical cure, which it is not. I also realize that I wont find the cure on a T-Nation forum from random people on the internet. I knew that I was going to get some snide remarks, some good advice, and some not so good. That being said, maybe this wasnt the best place, but I have gotten some great advice from people who have been in similar situations and who have been able to point me in the right direction and suggested other places to go.
[/quote]
The intent was helpful advice and I’m glad it was.[/quote]
yeah i got it. Although I dont see how saying “damn! beat me to it.” after someone told me to kill myself was helpful advice LOL. [/quote]Well that was the inevitable sarcasm. It’s a good thing I didn’t post a pic.
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that would have turned out pretty interesting I think…
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Exercise and sunlight is in itself not a bad idea, but its not gonna do jack shit for someone suffering from clinical or major depression. These simple steps are generally used for dysthymic disorder, even light therapy can be used for a mild case of depression.
We get these threads from time to time, I agree that maybe TN and the GAL forums arent the best arena to post stuff like this as your gonna get some pretty careless remarks. I know from my own experience that while just words from some faceless person on the net it still stings because your in such a bad way already[/quote]
I love you. I am a little surprised the dopamine response to exercise isn’t at least a little helpful even if certainly not a cure.
And surely intentionally keeping a positive mind set, filtering thoughts and creating a light hearted environment helps more than it hurts.
Right?[/quote]
No one is arguing that it cant help. And it certainly couldnt hurt. However, you seem to be suggesting that simply being positive, exercising, and creating a light hearted environment is some kinda of magical cure, which it is not. I also realize that I wont find the cure on a T-Nation forum from random people on the internet. I knew that I was going to get some snide remarks, some good advice, and some not so good. That being said, maybe this wasnt the best place, but I have gotten some great advice from people who have been in similar situations and who have been able to point me in the right direction and suggested other places to go.
[/quote]
The intent was helpful advice and I’m glad it was.[/quote]
yeah i got it. Although I dont see how saying “damn! beat me to it.” after someone told me to kill myself was helpful advice LOL. [/quote]Well that was the inevitable sarcasm. It’s a good thing I didn’t post a pic.
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that would have turned out pretty interesting I think…[/quote]
Nah, I was just piggy backing others.
I struggle with anxiety and depression myself. I refuse to go on prescribed medication. When I feel anxious, I go for a walk (hikes work best as being in the woods calms me right down). If I can’t walk, I clean or cook to try to relieve the nervous energy. Your mother may have made you feel self-conscious…like you can’t do anything, always doubting your abilities (my guess). For me it was school, peers. I got into martial arts and lifting and it gave me confidence. I feel a lot more confident knowing that I look better, perform better and can kick ass better than most people my age. Regular weight training should give you the confidence you may need. Keeping a log also allows you to see your growth and accomplishments.
I found valerian root tea (get valerian root from a health food store) and 5HTP pills help take the edge off of my depression. Its still there but it does help. I also try to remind myself that I have it a lot better than some and that I should embrace the present for the future could be worse or could be better. We shouldn’t waste time speculating. Focus on the now, you can choose to make it a heaven, a hell, or something in between. Don’t make it a holding cell. I wasted a good part of my 20s feeling bad.
OP, I’m nineteen and in college. I also deal with the same type of day to day anxiety/depression that you’re describing so I’ll do my best to help you.
No disrespect to your therapist and I don’t wish to sound sexist, but there are benefits to seeing a male therapist simply because they’re the same sex. I’ve never seen a psychiatrist or any type of therapist, but woman were not made to fully understand the brain of a man; women usually find it difficult. Not that your therapist isn’t a professional, but a man would definitely be able to understand your perspective more effectively.
You should take the advice from people who have not been truly depressed like a grain of sand. I can’t stress enough how difficult it can be to control you’re mindset and pull yourself out when you’re just down. Thinking positive with a depressed mindset is like being a bodybuilder with bad genetics, it’s just literally polar.
Every personal situation is unique. I’m no master of the craft, but if you don’t think critically about the basis of the issue and what’s creating it, than you’ll stagnate. My issue is that I like things very structured; I don’t like change. And at the college point of life everything changes. A lot of the foundation I had previously is gone. I don’t live away at school because that would mean losing every footing that is under my control to “change.” If i have to much change it creates anxiety which causes depression. Most days, if not everyday, I just need ONE drink to relax because it can feel unbearable. Not saying its the answer, but the idea of feeling dependent on a medication to change who I am because I’m “unable” just put’s a bad taste in my mouth. This is who I am, and this type of mentality does make you negative, but it also makes you empathetic, and rational, which are important qualities.
It’s very important for you to see that you could be way worse off than you are right now. You’re on a computer, you have a gym near you, and a cafeteria to eat in. It could be far fucking worse. Sometimes it’s just how a person is wired, and like a lot of things uncontrollable. For me, my brain is the thinker and my body is the actor. If you can’t turn the thinker off and unwind, it’ll drive you insane. It’s crucial that you find ways of turning it off or at least distracting yourself. If you can self diagnose the individual things that may be bothering you, and not necessarily accept them but have an awareness to them, and become okay with them, than thats progress.
I have social anxiety as well. I HATE talking to people that i don’t know, always have. It just feels awkward and wrong, as weird as that might sound to some. If i hadn’t had a job which requires me to interact with people at all times than I probably wouldn’t be able to do it. It’s just something I have to deal with. If the idea of going out and partying isn’t pleasing, than don’t go out. No one’s making you. However, the more you isolate yourself from the people around you the more they will avoid you and make you feel like you’re the only person in the world. Being all alone isn’t healthy. Some days i don’t speak to anyone from 9am until around 5pm and those days are horrible. In my opinion the worst thing you can do is leave yourself alone with your thoughts. If you can distract yourself for one day than why can’t you find a way to do it everyday? Interacting with people, especially girls, helps, and its important.
I know my issues and I try everyday to improve them in some way. This is how I cope.
Lifting- It just helps. You have control. You can exhaust yourself and focus on physical pain and let your mind go blank for a while.
Diet- It’s appealing to eat like shit to feel better but anxiety attacks have been linked to glucose levels. I don’t know the exact science, but when I have long periods of time without eating I get very anxious and depressed… And it’s very rational for me to believe that if you eat like shit and feel like shit thats just another negative thought in you’re head. Eat well or at least something.
Video Games- If you can distract yourself this way then it’s definitely your ally.
Sleep- This is the MOST IMPORTANT thing that you need the same amount of EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. Eight hours is not enough for me and I always need nine.
College- If your not majoring in something that you love and interests/challenges you than your setting yourself up for a boring and miserable life. If you don’t love what your doing you can’t meet people with common interest. Common interest connects all friendships and relationships somehow.
Hobbies- Find something you love. Let it consume you. Enough said.
StumbleUpon- google it. Instant distraction with something interesting if you find nothing else works.
Music- Don’t listen to depressing shit. Music always helps, it’s music.
Alcohol- Small amounts, under no circumstance should you drink excessively it only makes it exponentially worse.
Drugs- Don’t
I don’t know how to fix this, but I hope I helped. I know what suicidal thoughts are like but no one has any idea whats next. Pity is disgusting, but I truly do pity anyone who is that transfixed on shutting themselves off. It must be like acid on your brain, I could never wish that on someone. Everyone has a reason they get up in the morning, mine is very different than most, but believe me I do understand.
Best of luck bro
I think that depression is very difficult to discuss in general.
The problem is that most people have felt depressed at certain times in their lives, but it is very different than those who suffer from clinical depression.
The first time I considered suicide, I was 8 years old. I would be dead now if I was smart enough to figure out how to do it. When I was 10, I took a bottle of aspirin. I woke up with a big headache and huge disappointment that I woke up at all.
There is a huge difference from someone who is momentarily ‘down’ from someone who is clinically depressed.
I have only recently started seeing a therapist about my depression (a few months). Prior to this, I have simply been too apathetic to care. It came to the point where I was waking up crying every day for at least two weeks before I decided that I should finally seek help. But then, you have to realize, that I have been depressed my entire life, so I really don’t know any different. I only searched for help when I simply couldn’t hide it anymore.
An I have hiden it well. My family and friends have no idea. But then, most people think this is a temporary situation. That it will easily pass. It really isn’t something to be taken lightly.
Anyway, best of luck to the OP.
I suffered severe depression for years; everything I mentioned in this thread was helpful to me. If OP doesn’t find it helpful, oh well.
Also: 1) vagus nerve breathing; reduces stress well