Depressed, Need Advice

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
There is nothing unusual about noting during an initial session that medication might be useful to someone who is discussing the severity of symptoms you are. A better question about the therapist would be whether you liked him/her, felt comfortable with his/her (her, right?) level of intelligence, expressed concern (some people like to be poor-babied, others get annoyed by overt sympathy), personality, humor/seriousness, etc. In other words, was your first impression positive? Were you inclined to trust her, medication recommendation aside?

If so, relax and keep going. If not, try another. The mention of medication was appropriate and responsible in someone who is dealing with a patient or client expressing suicidal ideation (do you have a plan? desire to follow through?) and is unable to consistently go to the dining hall.[/quote]

Alright thanks. She does seem intelligent and understanding of the problem. Thank god she doesnt baby me, I would hate that. The only thing I dislike is the strange looks she gives me sometimes… it honestly seems like she looks at me like im really stupid when I tell her some things. or the way she would raise her eyebrows sometimes especially when I was telling her about my mom. the look she gave me seemed to say “whoa you’re fucked” So I don’t really know what to think. I feel like I’m being too picky and that it can be a lot worse.

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
What I’m going to tell you has been said, but I think it needs repeating. I’ve been where you’re at man. Believe me, I know what it’s like: you don’t want to sleep, you don’t want to eat, you want everyone to just piss off and leave you the hell alone. You want to tape cardboard up over the windows and just let it all go. Depression is a killer, and it’s a lifelong battle.

I think different things work for different people, for instance I can’t stand psychologists, and I fucking hate talking about it. I finally went to my primary care physician and just made him prescribe me something. It takes awhile, but if you can find a medication and a dosage that works for you, it makes all the difference in the world.

Believe me when I say that if you’re asking for advice from people who haven’t dealt with this, they will not understand. Sometimes you can’t “just deal with it” or “fight through it”. I did the self medication thing for awhile and that was stupid. It’s like drinking to get rid of a hangover.

If talk-therapy works for you that’s awesome. If it doesn’t, then keep looking. Don’t let anyone else’s opinion of medication or therapy put you off.

Oh, and don’t think you’re some sort of freak because you’re not enjoying college. Everyone has a different experience.[/quote]

Thanks for replying. For me personally, I think talking about it does help somewhat so I’ll keep with that. Its nice to hear im not the only one though, I appreciate it.

Try looking at pictures of naked women.

[quote]E901 wrote:

[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
What I’m going to tell you has been said, but I think it needs repeating. I’ve been where you’re at man. Believe me, I know what it’s like: you don’t want to sleep, you don’t want to eat, you want everyone to just piss off and leave you the hell alone. You want to tape cardboard up over the windows and just let it all go. Depression is a killer, and it’s a lifelong battle.

I think different things work for different people, for instance I can’t stand psychologists, and I fucking hate talking about it. I finally went to my primary care physician and just made him prescribe me something. It takes awhile, but if you can find a medication and a dosage that works for you, it makes all the difference in the world.

Believe me when I say that if you’re asking for advice from people who haven’t dealt with this, they will not understand. Sometimes you can’t “just deal with it” or “fight through it”. I did the self medication thing for awhile and that was stupid. It’s like drinking to get rid of a hangover.

If talk-therapy works for you that’s awesome. If it doesn’t, then keep looking. Don’t let anyone else’s opinion of medication or therapy put you off.

Oh, and don’t think you’re some sort of freak because you’re not enjoying college. Everyone has a different experience.[/quote]

Thanks for replying. For me personally, I think talking about it does help somewhat so I’ll keep with that. Its nice to hear im not the only one though, I appreciate it.[/quote]
I PMed you so good info dude.

First OP do not lose hope i have suffered from emotional and mental illness for over 20 years and consider myselfy happy and content with life now. Please understand that there is no easy answer for recovery…so much trial and error with meds. As from experience antidepressants with young adults should be Only a last recourse. CARELESS docs put me on depakote at 16 and it landed me in the hospital. Let your doc understand that CBT and psychotherapy should be your first options…however if you are truly in the abyss and medication understand their side effects and make the decision to see if the positives outweigh the negatives FOR YOU!

If you need to take ADs understand that it must be in conjunction with therapy! UNDERSTAND that ADs are life changers but also may save your life. Understand that these pills are not magic and take time. They also may be part of your life forever and they are very difficult to wean off of.

If anyone gives u advice to suck it up they are not worth your time…tell them to go fuck themselves as it is not that easy.

I suggest you contact your local NAMI chapter for support groups.

From someone who has been treated like a guinea pig with regards to meds please do not hesitate to pm me for advice. Your not alone and life can be awesome.

E901, first off, respect for asking for help like this. It’s not easy to put yourself out there with the prospect of any potential ridicule regarding an issue as personal as this, even with the anoyminity of the internet; and the predictbaly crass and idiotic responses seen thus far only confirm why it’s difficult.

Obviosly no one is privvy to the dynamics of your particular situation, and any suggestions you recieve over the internet need to be taken with a pinch of salt. This is clearly affecting your quality of life, and there are people who understand what you’re going through and wish to help you, but without any sort of persnonal assesment, I’d be weary of giving out anything other than general guidelines.

Social anxiety is rather complex in itself, and is going to operate in a vicious negative feedback loop with any co-morbid depression.

You said you were seeing a therapist, and it was her who gave you the original diagnosis. Presumably as well as advising that may need medication, she also adressed what goals you may need to work on from a non-drug perspective? This is going to somewhat important if the social anxiety is indeed the central facet in your problmes. A great deal of social anxiety amounts to the fear of negative judgements; as such, sufferers become excessively risk averse with regard to social encounters, and withdrawl becomes commonplace - propergating the cycle. You will need to learn new skills in a CBT style that will help you stay productive, and not get bogged down on a daily basis. You may well also need to adress some of the destructive underlying schemas in more of a psychotherapy fashion, this is the long-haul stuff but may need to be investigated. If she hsan’t talked or alluded to any of this, then you may need to find someone else. All the above is presuming that social anxiety is indeed you primary problem, (it may well not be, and I still wouldn’t want to presume)but there’s good data it responds better to adjucting behavioural therapies as opposed to other clinical manifestations such as MDD and/or PTSD where pharmacology is the mainstay of treatment.

Regarding medication, this is an area where everyone feels entitled to an opinion, even if they have scant knowledge of the issue. Go figure. The interent is generally not a good place to gather data on wether it’s a good idea to go on them or not.
As with most things in life, nothing is clear cut and/or black and white. I’ve seen people struggle for years on end with their issues, and were only finally able to make decent headway when given pharmalogical treatment. Night and day differences like this do occur quite frequently, and the peer-reviewed, meta-analysed data is in. They unquestionaly help with those whose problems are clincial.
On the flip, the notion that a course of medication is a silver bullet that will always alleviate all problems is a pretty far-fetched and overly optimistic stance. Many severe and chronic anxiety and depression sufferers need to work very hard on their issues on a daily basis even with medication. The medication takes the edge off, but living with mental illness is still a burden, and it remains a challenge. Also, medication is simply not effect with those with minor depression/anxiety/dysthimia. Any half-decent GP, PCP or psychiatrist should reiterate all of this.
If I really had to get off the fence, right now, and go on what you’ve written here, then yes, a course of medication may well help you. The cost to benefit ratio would appears to be good.
Anti-depressants of the SSRI, tetracyclic and trycyclic class do not have an effect on testerone signalling. This is pretty conclusive. There is some evidence of minor increases in prolactin. But nothing that is going to affect you seriously.
It is the anti-psychotics (ripseridone/zyprexa etc) where the serious side-effects are more apparent (I’d imagine this is where most of the anti-drug hysteria begins), though having spoken to many schizophrenics in remission over the years, the trade off between weight gain and cognitive slow down versus terryfying hallucinations was, all things considered, a fair price to pay.
Preferably, see a competent psychiatrist rather than a GP, they have far more experience in tailoring medication to specific symptoms. Screening for hypothyroidism/hypogonadism and an auto-immune profile as well would be very wise. There is no such thing as cook-book psychiatry and taking a shotgun approach is not a good idea either. I’ve heard far too many accounts of PCP’s handing out SNRI’s (Effexor/Cymabalta) after depression complaints without enquiring about co-morbind anxiety, and then wonder why their patients wind up in the ER after a panic attack (due to the nor-ephinephrine release of the aforementioned drugs).

Any further enquiries feel free to shoot me a PM or ask here.

I wish you the very best of luck.

OP balance and order is key to making sure you don’t fall into a depressive rut. It’s the small things like maintaining personal hygiene, keeping your room organised and tidy, having a regular sleep schedule and eating schedule, that will help you resist depression. It’s also important that when you are depressed to avoid looking at the broader picture of life eg. thinking about your goals, all the different assignments you have to do, all the friends you have to see, the gym workout you have to go to etc. Tackle one thing at a time, because if you try to think about everything at once, you just end up doing nothing and getting worse.

Keep up the basics like hygiene, food and sleep.

Despite some of the uneducated and flippant responses said here (mainly houstonguy), depression is a mental illness that won’t go away by “manning up” or willing it away.

[quote]MaliMedved wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.

CHANT IT.

(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]

How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]

Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.

Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.

Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I recommend the book “The Power Of Now” by Eckhart Tolle. It is very helpful to someone in your situation. I also like books and articles from Dr. Wayne Dyer. You can find videos of both of them on youtube. But I would start with the book.[/quote]

Wayne Dyer’s an idiot.

In strong contrast, the book “The Brain Chemistry Diet” by Lesser is awesome.

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I recommend the book “The Power Of Now” by Eckhart Tolle. It is very helpful to someone in your situation. I also like books and articles from Dr. Wayne Dyer. You can find videos of both of them on youtube. But I would start with the book.[/quote]

Wayne Dyer’s an idiot.

In strong contrast, the book “The Brain Chemistry Diet” by Lesser is awesome.[/quote]

Coming from the guy who told a clinically depressed person to repeat a cynical mantra? Dyer is not the idiot here.

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

[quote]MaliMedved wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.

CHANT IT.

(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]

How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]

Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.

Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.

Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]

That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

[quote]MaliMedved wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.

CHANT IT.

(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]

How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]

Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.

Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.

Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]

That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.
[/quote]
What about, “Walk it off” Or, “Ignore it until it goes away” ?

Well…

EQ901, hang in there.

Everyone needs to find a path through life.

Seeking help is a good sign.

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

[quote]MaliMedved wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.

CHANT IT.

(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]

How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]

Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.

Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.

Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]

That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.
[/quote]You are certainly fiesty lately!

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

[quote]MaliMedved wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.

CHANT IT.

(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]

How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]

Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.

Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.

Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]

That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.
[/quote]
What about, “Walk it off” Or, “Ignore it until it goes away” ?

[/quote]

That’s not great either but it doesn’t pretend to be real advice.

HG I’m always like this :slight_smile:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

[quote]MaliMedved wrote:

[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:

Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.

CHANT IT.

(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]

How will this help? (no sarcasm)[/quote]

Humans need truth. Who’s going to tell you? Try saying it out loud one time, not snarky but genuine. See how it feels.

Is it hyperbole? Maybe. However, watering it down to “Most people lie to me about most things most of the time” would be an understatement.

Think of it as a therapeutic dose of truth; you can reduce it to a maintenance dose after you’ve recovered from the physical pollution and psychological warfare we’ve all been subjected to all our lives.[/quote]

That has to be the worst advice I’ve ever heard.
[/quote]
What about, “Walk it off” Or, “Ignore it until it goes away” ?

[/quote]

That’s not great either but it doesn’t pretend to be real advice.

HG I’m always like this :)[/quote]yeah but you are totally looking for a fight. You should start a controversial thread.

And do you have any constructive advice to follow your criticism? Open question.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
yeah but you are totally looking for a fight. You should start a controversial thread.

And do you have any constructive advice to follow your criticism? Open question.
[/quote]

I don’t agree that voicing criticism, even if harsh is looking for a fight.

I am not clinically depressed nor am I a professional so why on earth would I be so arrogant as to suggest I can give advice? That would not only be counter productive but it would be an asshole thing to do when someone’s well being is at stake. Depression threads are the wrong place for fun and games.

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
yeah but you are totally looking for a fight. You should start a controversial thread.

And do you have any constructive advice to follow your criticism? Open question.
[/quote]

I don’t agree that voicing criticism, even if harsh is looking for a fight.

I am not clinically depressed nor am I a professional so why on earth would I be so arrogant as to suggest I can give advice? That would not only be counter productive but it would be an asshole thing to do when someone’s well being is at stake. Depression threads are the wrong place for fun and games.[/quote]
T-Nation is the wrong place for depression threads.

Two wrongs do not make a right. And just because the T-Nation is the wrong place does not excuse the jackassery.

It is a weak ethical position if your bad behavior is justified by someone else’s actions of ignorance or poor judgment.