[quote]Jeffrey of Troy wrote:
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Make “Everybody lies to me about everything all the time” your mantra. Chant it.
CHANT IT.
(but, like, y’know… quietly. Don’t want people thinkin yer crazy.)[/quote]
How will this help? (no sarcasm)
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I’m not an expert. Neither is anecdotal experience and/or advice.
I’d say you should listen to Rock (as much as I hate his undead guts). Also, that’s good that you’re seeing a therapist.
I think some people here don’t fully grasp what it means to have anxiety disorder or depression. It’s not something that will be fixed by going for a jog or watching a light hearted movie. That shit might work if you’ve had a bad day at the office but not so much when you’re possibly clinically depressed.[/quote]
He just agreed and so did a guy who has allegedly beat depression.
Maybe he should wallow in despair until some one puts a magical spell on him?
As mentioned, exercise and creating a positive environment can’t hurt, and probably will help. Dopamine is good for anyone and a hard run and laughter both release a flood of it.
Edit: The act of forcing a positive action over a negative thought pattern ( even as small as exercising when you feel to sad to ) is greater than any medicine. The disruption and regained control of a thought process, steadily built on with more action can completely alter a mind. We are all our choices regardless of each individuals degree of difficulty.
You don’t have to beat depression to know that.
[quote]kamui wrote:
You don’t need to take control of all our thoughts.
Negative thoughts happens.
Often.
Maybe all the time.
That’s ok.
The problem starts when you contemplate them for too long.
Let them vanish.
Negative things happens too.
Often.
Maybe all the time.
That’s ok too.
The problem start when you let contingent things define yourself.
Forget them.
Learn to meditate.
Once you know how to do it. Do it everyday.
Do at least one little simple thing you can be proud of each day.
Reward yourself for doing it.
[/quote]you just suggested the same advice you told him to disregard. Control his thoughts and make small victories over himself, assuming you recommend he also builds on them as if they are baby steps, in Bill Murray fashion.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
I know I’m going to get flamed for this, BUT, OP: do you have a religious affiliation?
CS[/quote]
No, not religious at all. You could say I’m an atheist
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I’m not an expert. Neither is anecdotal experience and/or advice.
I’d say you should listen to Rock (as much as I hate his undead guts). Also, that’s good that you’re seeing a therapist.
I think some people here don’t fully grasp what it means to have anxiety disorder or depression. It’s not something that will be fixed by going for a jog or watching a light hearted movie. That shit might work if you’ve had a bad day at the office but not so much when you’re possibly clinically depressed.[/quote]
He just agreed and so did a guy who has allegedly beat depression.
Maybe he should wallow in despair until some one puts a magical spell on him?
As mentioned, exercise and creating a positive environment can’t hurt, and probably will help. Dopamine is good for anyone and a hard run and laughter both release a flood of it.
Edit: The act of forcing a positive action over a negative thought pattern ( even as small as exercising when you feel to sad to ) is greater than any medicine. The disruption and regained control of a thought process, steadily built on with more action can completely alter a mind. We are all our choices regardless of each individuals degree of difficulty.
You don’t have to beat depression to know that.[/quote]
Surely, you can’t be this feckless?
As much as you may wish to cling to the dreary and self-serving fantasy that one will always have complete dominion over one’s cognitions and any subsequent behaviours; for the mentally ill, the ability to regulate psycho-social stressors and any moods that may arise of this is severley comprimised - becoming the hallmark of the pathology. This is the epistemological reality. No matter how uncomfortable that may be to you personally, or polemic to how you wish the world would operate.
Assuming that the young man has already implemented the incredible banal and obvious suggestions of attmempting to improve his improve his mood by forcing himself to exercise and watching The Hangover; from the fact that he is throwing himself to the mercy of a bunch of strangers on the internet, it would be erudite to conclude that he is a bit beyond that, and is in need of more specific and practical suggestions to alleviate his distress, prefrably from those who have gone through similiar experiences.
You are evidentley out of your depth here, and dealing with an entity that you are ill-equipped to understand.
I realise asking you to take a step back and to view the issue without the prism of your own biases is a bit of a tall order, and probably beyond your capabilities anyway, but those of us who have experience in working in mental health or have had friends or family members who have suffered could really do with a bit more of an intelligent input.
[quote]CopingMechanism wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I’m not an expert. Neither is anecdotal experience and/or advice.
I’d say you should listen to Rock (as much as I hate his undead guts). Also, that’s good that you’re seeing a therapist.
I think some people here don’t fully grasp what it means to have anxiety disorder or depression. It’s not something that will be fixed by going for a jog or watching a light hearted movie. That shit might work if you’ve had a bad day at the office but not so much when you’re possibly clinically depressed.[/quote]
He just agreed and so did a guy who has allegedly beat depression.
Maybe he should wallow in despair until some one puts a magical spell on him?
As mentioned, exercise and creating a positive environment can’t hurt, and probably will help. Dopamine is good for anyone and a hard run and laughter both release a flood of it.
Edit: The act of forcing a positive action over a negative thought pattern ( even as small as exercising when you feel to sad to ) is greater than any medicine. The disruption and regained control of a thought process, steadily built on with more action can completely alter a mind. We are all our choices regardless of each individuals degree of difficulty.
You don’t have to beat depression to know that.[/quote]
Surely, you can’t be this feckless?
As much as you may wish to cling to the dreary and self-serving fantasy that one will always have complete dominion over one’s cognitions and any subsequent behaviours; for the mentally ill, the ability to regulate psycho-social stressors and any moods that may arise of this is severley comprimised - becoming the hallmark of the pathology. This is the epistemological reality. No matter how uncomfortable that may be to you personally, or polemic to how you wish the world would operate.
Assuming that the young man has already implemented the incredible banal and obvious suggestions of attmempting to improve his improve his mood by forcing himself to exercise and watching The Hangover; from the fact that he is throwing himself to the mercy of a bunch of strangers on the internet, it would be erudite to conclude that he is a bit beyond that, and is in need of more specific and practical suggestions to alleviate his distress, prefrably from those who have gone through similiar experiences.
You are evidentley out of your depth here, and dealing with an entity that you are ill-equipped to understand.
I realise asking you to take a step back and to view the issue without the prism of your own biases is a bit of a tall order, and probably beyond your capabilities anyway, but those of us who have experience in working in mental health or have had friends or family members who have suffered could really do with a bit more of an intelligent input.
[/quote]
Mr. expert of all feckless? Surely you jest…
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]CopingMechanism wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I’m not an expert. Neither is anecdotal experience and/or advice.
I’d say you should listen to Rock (as much as I hate his undead guts). Also, that’s good that you’re seeing a therapist.
I think some people here don’t fully grasp what it means to have anxiety disorder or depression. It’s not something that will be fixed by going for a jog or watching a light hearted movie. That shit might work if you’ve had a bad day at the office but not so much when you’re possibly clinically depressed.[/quote]
He just agreed and so did a guy who has allegedly beat depression.
Maybe he should wallow in despair until some one puts a magical spell on him?
As mentioned, exercise and creating a positive environment can’t hurt, and probably will help. Dopamine is good for anyone and a hard run and laughter both release a flood of it.
Edit: The act of forcing a positive action over a negative thought pattern ( even as small as exercising when you feel to sad to ) is greater than any medicine. The disruption and regained control of a thought process, steadily built on with more action can completely alter a mind. We are all our choices regardless of each individuals degree of difficulty.
You don’t have to beat depression to know that.[/quote]
Surely, you can’t be this feckless?
As much as you may wish to cling to the dreary and self-serving fantasy that one will always have complete dominion over one’s cognitions and any subsequent behaviours; for the mentally ill, the ability to regulate psycho-social stressors and any moods that may arise of this is severley comprimised - becoming the hallmark of the pathology. This is the epistemological reality. No matter how uncomfortable that may be to you personally, or polemic to how you wish the world would operate.
Assuming that the young man has already implemented the incredible banal and obvious suggestions of attmempting to improve his improve his mood by forcing himself to exercise and watching The Hangover; from the fact that he is throwing himself to the mercy of a bunch of strangers on the internet, it would be erudite to conclude that he is a bit beyond that, and is in need of more specific and practical suggestions to alleviate his distress, prefrably from those who have gone through similiar experiences.
You are evidentley out of your depth here, and dealing with an entity that you are ill-equipped to understand.
I realise asking you to take a step back and to view the issue without the prism of your own biases is a bit of a tall order, and probably beyond your capabilities anyway, but those of us who have experience in working in mental health or have had friends or family members who have suffered could really do with a bit more of an intelligent input.
[/quote]
Mr. expert of all feckless? Surely you jest…[/quote]
I was referring to houston guy, not you matey.
[quote]CopingMechanism wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]CopingMechanism wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
I’m not an expert. Neither is anecdotal experience and/or advice.
I’d say you should listen to Rock (as much as I hate his undead guts). Also, that’s good that you’re seeing a therapist.
I think some people here don’t fully grasp what it means to have anxiety disorder or depression. It’s not something that will be fixed by going for a jog or watching a light hearted movie. That shit might work if you’ve had a bad day at the office but not so much when you’re possibly clinically depressed.[/quote]
He just agreed and so did a guy who has allegedly beat depression.
Maybe he should wallow in despair until some one puts a magical spell on him?
As mentioned, exercise and creating a positive environment can’t hurt, and probably will help. Dopamine is good for anyone and a hard run and laughter both release a flood of it.
Edit: The act of forcing a positive action over a negative thought pattern ( even as small as exercising when you feel to sad to ) is greater than any medicine. The disruption and regained control of a thought process, steadily built on with more action can completely alter a mind. We are all our choices regardless of each individuals degree of difficulty.
You don’t have to beat depression to know that.[/quote]
Surely, you can’t be this feckless?
As much as you may wish to cling to the dreary and self-serving fantasy that one will always have complete dominion over one’s cognitions and any subsequent behaviours; for the mentally ill, the ability to regulate psycho-social stressors and any moods that may arise of this is severley comprimised - becoming the hallmark of the pathology. This is the epistemological reality. No matter how uncomfortable that may be to you personally, or polemic to how you wish the world would operate.
Assuming that the young man has already implemented the incredible banal and obvious suggestions of attmempting to improve his improve his mood by forcing himself to exercise and watching The Hangover; from the fact that he is throwing himself to the mercy of a bunch of strangers on the internet, it would be erudite to conclude that he is a bit beyond that, and is in need of more specific and practical suggestions to alleviate his distress, prefrably from those who have gone through similiar experiences.
You are evidentley out of your depth here, and dealing with an entity that you are ill-equipped to understand.
I realise asking you to take a step back and to view the issue without the prism of your own biases is a bit of a tall order, and probably beyond your capabilities anyway, but those of us who have experience in working in mental health or have had friends or family members who have suffered could really do with a bit more of an intelligent input.
[/quote]
Mr. expert of all feckless? Surely you jest…[/quote]
I was referring to houston guy, not you matey.
[/quote]
as was I
I have no idea what feckless means but fine, op, do not keep a positive mindset, do not laugh, do not create a light hearted environment for yourself and especially do not exercise. Ever. None of it would be beneficial at all, silly feckless me.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I have no idea what feckless means but fine, op, do not keep a positive mindset, do not laugh, do not create a light hearted environment for yourself and especially do not exercise. Ever. None of it would be beneficial at all, silly feckless me.[/quote]
I do exercise… thanks for the tip…
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I have no idea what feckless means but fine, op, do not keep a positive mindset, do not laugh, do not create a light hearted environment for yourself and especially do not exercise. Ever. None of it would be beneficial at all, silly feckless me.[/quote]
I do exercise… thanks for the tip…[/quote]
Well that must be the issue then. That was easy 
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I have no idea what feckless means but fine, op, do not keep a positive mindset, do not laugh, do not create a light hearted environment for yourself and especially do not exercise. Ever. None of it would be beneficial at all, silly feckless me.[/quote]
I do exercise… thanks for the tip…[/quote]
Well that must be the issue then. That was easy ;)[/quote]
hahaha yeah man went for a hard run and…poof, just like magic I felt amazing…
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I’m a behavioral guy and believe chemical interference should come into play when all else is exhausted. The fact that the option is already on the table is off putting. To me, it says she’s pigeon holing you and you deserve better.
Think of it this way…taking meds at this point is the equivalent to a guy using dbol after 2 months of learning to work out…make sense?
…fat burners won’t make an obese guy ripped if he is still eating pizzas everyday…get it?
Understand this will take time and work. No pill will erase the abuse you unfortunately endured. Your memories and experiences will always be there. You need to come to terms with them and defeat them first…
In the long run you’ll be better off in my opinion learning tto express things and deal with them positively…vs taking an upper which may not even work…[/quote]
I’m no pusher of drugs or believer in magic bullets, but I’m going to disagree here. We have an 18-year-old who is suicidal, has difficulty eating, is in his first semester of college and falling apart academically, and has real work to do on his emotional issues. I think your “getting ripped via supps” is a silly analogy and potentially dangerous in this case. A better one might be someone comes into the hospital in the midst of a diabetic emergency. You don’t talk about diet and exercise until they’re stabilized, which generally means dosing with insulin until they can organize lifestyle and diet. Same here. Sure, CBT, maybe DBT for its mindfulness component, exercise, better diet…but first crisis stabilization. Kid isn’t going to start the healthy diet that makes him feel better if he can’t leave his room to go to the cafeteria. What we don’t need is an OP who feels like a failure because he let his TNation advisors down and neither took the SSRIs (BIG difference from MOAs, why do you link the two?) nor got to the gym and now can’t return to school next semester because he failed and everything seems even MORE fucked up and hopeless because he didn’t want to take dbol after only two months of working out and his suicidality ramps up and he doesn’t trust his therapist (dbol pusher!) and has no hope. WTF kind of idiot bullshit is that? To what, avoid some mild chemical intervention during his stressful first semester of college, when everything is coming to a head?
OP, consider a short course of meds while you get started on managing your anxiety and working through your childhood issues. Then you can titrate down off the SSRI. Prozac (fluoxetine), Zoloft, Lexapro, and Celexa are all commonly prescribed to target both depression and anxiety.
I’m very irritated with all the shitty advice in this thread. It’s irresponsIble as hell.
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I have no idea what feckless means but fine, op, do not keep a positive mindset, do not laugh, do not create a light hearted environment for yourself and especially do not exercise. Ever. None of it would be beneficial at all, silly feckless me.[/quote]
I do exercise… thanks for the tip…[/quote]
Well that must be the issue then. That was easy ;)[/quote]
hahaha yeah man went for a hard run and…poof, just like magic I felt amazing… ;)[/quote]
Yeah but it didn’t hurt and I bet it helped a little. You type laughed. Busted.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]E901 wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I have no idea what feckless means but fine, op, do not keep a positive mindset, do not laugh, do not create a light hearted environment for yourself and especially do not exercise. Ever. None of it would be beneficial at all, silly feckless me.[/quote]
I do exercise… thanks for the tip…[/quote]
Well that must be the issue then. That was easy ;)[/quote]
hahaha yeah man went for a hard run and…poof, just like magic I felt amazing… ;)[/quote]
Yeah but it didn’t hurt and I bet it helped a little. You type laughed. Busted.[/quote]
oh my god…
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I’m a behavioral guy and believe chemical interference should come into play when all else is exhausted. The fact that the option is already on the table is off putting. To me, it says she’s pigeon holing you and you deserve better.
Think of it this way…taking meds at this point is the equivalent to a guy using dbol after 2 months of learning to work out…make sense?
…fat burners won’t make an obese guy ripped if he is still eating pizzas everyday…get it?
Understand this will take time and work. No pill will erase the abuse you unfortunately endured. Your memories and experiences will always be there. You need to come to terms with them and defeat them first…
In the long run you’ll be better off in my opinion learning tto express things and deal with them positively…vs taking an upper which may not even work…[/quote]
I’m no pusher of drugs or believer in magic bullets, but I’m going to disagree here. We have an 18-year-old who is suicidal, has difficulty eating, is in his first semester of college and falling apart academically, and has real work to do on his emotional issues. I think your “getting ripped via supps” is a silly analogy and potentially dangerous in this case. A better one might be someone comes into the hospital in the midst of a diabetic emergency. You don’t talk about diet and exercise until they’re stabilized, which generally means dosing with insulin until they can organize lifestyle and diet. Same here. Sure, CBT, maybe DBT for its mindfulness component, exercise, better diet…but first crisis stabilization. Kid isn’t going to start the healthy diet that makes him feel better if he can’t leave his room to go to the cafeteria. What we don’t need is an OP who feels like a failure because he let his TNation advisors down and neither took the SSRIs (BIG difference from MOAs, why do you link the two?) nor got to the gym and now can’t return to school next semester because he failed and everything seems even MORE fucked up and hopeless because he didn’t want to take dbol after only two months of working out and his suicidality ramps up and he doesn’t trust his therapist (dbol pusher!) and has no hope. WTF kind of idiot bullshit is that? To what, avoid some mild chemical intervention during his stressful first semester of college, when everything is coming to a head?
OP, consider a short course of meds while you get started on managing your anxiety and working through your childhood issues. Then you can titrate down off the SSRI. Prozac (fluoxetine), Zoloft, Lexapro, and Celexa are all commonly prescribed to target both depression and anxiety.
I’m very irritated with all the shitty advice in this thread. It’s irresponsIble as hell.
[/quote]
EmilyQ, this is why I’ve been giving the meds so much thought. I think maybe they will help get me “over the hump” so to speak so that I can actually get to the point of improving, at least for now. However, I also see where Rock is coming from since my therapist asked if i was open to taking meds on the very first session… So this is why Im so conflicted, I don’t know if I should trust my therapist or not or maybe get the opinion of another therapist?
There is nothing unusual about noting during an initial session that medication might be useful to someone who is discussing the severity of symptoms you are. A better question about the therapist would be whether you liked him/her, felt comfortable with his/her (her, right?) level of intelligence, expressed concern (some people like to be poor-babied, others get annoyed by overt sympathy), personality, humor/seriousness, etc. In other words, was your first impression positive? Were you inclined to trust her, medication recommendation aside?
If so, relax and keep going. If not, try another. The mention of medication was appropriate and responsible in someone who is dealing with a patient or client expressing suicidal ideation (do you have a plan? desire to follow through?) and is unable to consistently go to the dining hall.
I recommend the book “The Power Of Now” by Eckhart Tolle. It is very helpful to someone in your situation. I also like books and articles from Dr. Wayne Dyer. You can find videos of both of them on youtube. But I would start with the book.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
I recommend the book “The Power Of Now” by Eckhart Tolle. It is very helpful to someone in your situation. I also like books and articles from Dr. Wayne Dyer. You can find videos of both of them on youtube. But I would start with the book.[/quote]
Shut up, feckles.
What I’m going to tell you has been said, but I think it needs repeating. I’ve been where you’re at man. Believe me, I know what it’s like: you don’t want to sleep, you don’t want to eat, you want everyone to just piss off and leave you the hell alone. You want to tape cardboard up over the windows and just let it all go. Depression is a killer, and it’s a lifelong battle.
I think different things work for different people, for instance I can’t stand psychologists, and I fucking hate talking about it. I finally went to my primary care physician and just made him prescribe me something. It takes awhile, but if you can find a medication and a dosage that works for you, it makes all the difference in the world.
Believe me when I say that if you’re asking for advice from people who haven’t dealt with this, they will not understand. Sometimes you can’t “just deal with it” or “fight through it”. I did the self medication thing for awhile and that was stupid. It’s like drinking to get rid of a hangover.
If talk-therapy works for you that’s awesome. If it doesn’t, then keep looking. Don’t let anyone else’s opinion of medication or therapy put you off.
Oh, and don’t think you’re some sort of freak because you’re not enjoying college. Everyone has a different experience.