Delts Really Lagging

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t see “football” anywhere in the OP…or even a mention of an organized sport…so why the fuck are we still talking football training?

If you’re here just to argue with me, that’s pretty sad.

Have fun with that.

Nice thread you guys have here.[/quote]

Finally!

Hey man, I rarely leave the training log section here on this site, but when I do I feel like getting a bit ridiculous

Well this thread brought up two separate arguments

The OP’s lack of delts, which come to think of it, he should probably post a picture of because I have a tough time believing he has a weakpoint, and that he just needs to get bigger all over.

The second is the lack of OHP in DeFranco’s program in terms of football training, and you typed that you think the programming is dumb for football players because of the lack OHP

So I’m assuming you probably want to back the latter argument, but either one is fine.

I absolutely think you’re wrong.

[quote]Marcello wrote:

Professor X, atm what do you do/have done for rear delts[/quote]

Bent over raises and reverse pec deck. I had to back off of that after the accident. Tonight was actually when I planned to add it back in.

How has this gone on 5 pages?

Delts lagging? WORK ON F’ING DELTS.

“Y U NO KEEP IT SIMPLE?”

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
How has this gone on 5 pages?[/quote]

Significant derailment from OP lol

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
How has this gone on 5 pages?

Delts lagging? WORK ON F’ING DELTS.

“Y U NO KEEP IT SIMPLE?”[/quote]

Because I’m an asshole?

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
now for my serious response, wouldn’t you be more prone to injury by not training your shoulders (imbalances)?
[/quote]

They still train shoulders, mostly alot of prehab and isolation work, just not heavy overhead work.

And I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with DeFranco’s reasoning to not include them, I’m just quoting it.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
How has this gone on 5 pages?

Delts lagging? WORK ON F’ING DELTS.

“Y U NO KEEP IT SIMPLE?”[/quote]

Because I’m an asshole?[/quote]

Are you causing this cold weather shit in New England today you rat bastard?

[quote]Marcello wrote:
link to aforementioned 18 year old repping 140kg shoulder press and deadlifting 300+
[/quote]

18 year old deadlift:

this is the guy i was thinking of on the overhead presses but apparently he’s 21 in this video. still beast

(tho if it doesn’t have to be strict pressing, calstrength and avg broz have kids jerking way over that much. calstrength and avg broz also do combine prep work)

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t see “football” anywhere in the OP…or even a mention of an organized sport…so why the fuck are we still talking football training?

If you’re here just to argue with me, that’s pretty sad.

Have fun with that.

Nice thread you guys have here.[/quote]

Finally!

Hey man, I rarely leave the training log section here on this site, but when I do I feel like getting a bit ridiculous

Well this thread brought up two separate arguments

The OP’s lack of delts, which come to think of it, he should probably post a picture of because I have a tough time believing he has a weakpoint, and that he just needs to get bigger all over.

I do agree. I need a LOT more mass everywhere but on my small body lol my shoulders are really small.

And you guys are right. This is a BB section. So realizing that I won’t be playing fb anytime soon I will start to focus on size and not defrancos workout that is designed for athletes. I did post a new routine I threw together if you want to look at it (pg3 I think). Otherwise thanks for all the responses and with my new workout I will keep it simple and train my delts more. Lol a pair of huge lateral delts would be awesome

The second is the lack of OHP in DeFranco’s program in terms of football training, and you typed that you think the programming is dumb for football players because of the lack OHP

So I’m assuming you probably want to back the latter argument, but either one is fine.

I absolutely think you’re wrong. [/quote]

I do agree. I need a LOT more mass everywhere but on my small body lol my shoulders are really small.

And you guys are right. This is a BB section. So realizing that I won’t be playing fb anytime soon I will start to focus on size and not defrancos workout that is designed for athletes. I did post a new routine I threw together if you want to look at it (edit. I’ll post again). Otherwise thanks for all the responses and with my new workout I will keep it simple and train my delts more. Lol a pair of huge lateral delts would be awesome

Yes Cole I was doing this workout in hopes of playing football. But while running it I have gained weight and gotten bigger even though the intent of the program is to increase strength. However, my shoulders have not gained mass so I figured I could possibly add in more shoulder movements to make up for this, or pre exhaust them. Now that I know I am not going to play football, at least till summer and 2 a days, I think I would like to switch it up to a new split.

What would you guys think about this:

Monday: Chest, Tris

Incline Dumbbell 3x6-10
Flat Barbell Bench 3x8-10
Decline Barbell Bench 3x10-12 (havent done decline in about a year, I hear its terrible and I hear its good, so maybe Ill throw it in.)
Pec Deck Fly Machine 2x12-15
Close Grip Bench Press or Skull Crushers 3x6-10
Rope Pushdowns 3x8-12
Abs

Tuesday: Back, Bis, Calves

Barbell Rows 3x6-10
Lat Pulldowns 4x8-12 or Straight Arm Pulldowns not sure
Close grip seated rows 3x8-12
Reverse Flys 3x8-12
Hammer Curls 3x10-12
Preacher Curls 3x10-12
Seated Calf Press 4x-10-15

Wed: Rest

Thurs: Shoulders, Traps

Standing shoulder Barbell Press 3x6-8
Dumbbell Military 3x8-12
Lateral Or L Raises 4x10-15 ( Not sure here, Would let to have huge lateral deltoids or atleast some lateral… At the moment from front view, my arms still out to my side further than my delts lol)
Rear deltoid flys on incline 3x8-12
Upright Rows 4x10-12
Rack shrugs 4x6-10

Friday: Rest

Saturday: Legs, Lower Back, Forearms

Squats 3x6-8
OR
Deadlifts 3x8-10 ( I dont know if much people do both deads and squats together, but I want both of them incorporated?)
Leg Press 3x8-10
Leg extensions 3x10-12
Leg Curls 3x10-12
Standing Calve Raises 4x8-12
Back extensions 2x10-15
Wrist Rollers 2x2-3

This is 4 days. I would like to do 5 days not sure how without making a separate arm day which I dont want to do. Advice guys? Just made this quickly in between classes!

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
How has this gone on 5 pages?

Delts lagging? WORK ON F’ING DELTS.

“Y U NO KEEP IT SIMPLE?”[/quote]

Because I’m an asshole?[/quote]

Are you causing this cold weather shit in New England today you rat bastard?
[/quote]

It’s horseshit. Fuck this weather. Not cool bro.

[quote]JoeyMicas11 wrote:
What would you guys think about this:

Monday: Chest, Tris

Incline Dumbbell 3x6-10
Flat Barbell Bench 3x8-10
Decline Barbell Bench 3x10-12 (havent done decline in about a year, I hear its terrible and I hear its good, so maybe Ill throw it in.)
Pec Deck Fly Machine 2x12-15
Close Grip Bench Press or Skull Crushers 3x6-10
Rope Pushdowns 3x8-12
Abs

Tuesday: Back, Bis, Calves

Barbell Rows 3x6-10
Lat Pulldowns 4x8-12 or Straight Arm Pulldowns not sure
Close grip seated rows 3x8-12
Reverse Flys 3x8-12
Hammer Curls 3x10-12
Preacher Curls 3x10-12
Seated Calf Press 4x-10-15

Wed: Rest

Thurs: Shoulders, Traps

Standing shoulder Barbell Press 3x6-8
Dumbbell Military 3x8-12
Lateral Or L Raises 4x10-15 ( Not sure here, Would let to have huge lateral deltoids or atleast some lateral… At the moment from front view, my arms still out to my side further than my delts lol)
Rear deltoid flys on incline 3x8-12
Upright Rows 4x10-12
Rack shrugs 4x6-10

Friday: Rest

Saturday: Legs, Lower Back, Forearms

Squats 3x6-8
Deadlifts 3x8-10 ( I dont know if much people do both deads and squats together, but I want both of them incorporated?)
Leg Press 3x8-10
Leg extensions 3x10-12
Leg Curls 3x10-12
Standing Calve Raises 4x8-12
Back extensions 2x10-15
Wrist Rollers 2x2-3

This is 4 days. I would like to do 5 days not sure how without making a separate arm day which I dont want to do. Advice guys? Just made this quickly in between classes![/quote]

If you want to make it 5 days, I would recommend modifying your split to this:

1- Posterior Chain (with the exception of rear delts)
2- Shoulders
OFF
3- Quads/Calves
4- Chest/Triceps
5- Back/Biceps

Posterior chain day would include your trap work, deadlifting, and hamstring work. I’ll give more specifics if you want, but I need to get off the laptop for class lol. Just let me know.

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
now for my serious response, wouldn’t you be more prone to injury by not training your shoulders (imbalances)?
[/quote]

They still train shoulders, mostly alot of prehab and isolation work, just not heavy overhead work.

And I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with DeFranco’s reasoning to not include them, I’m just quoting it.
[/quote]

I get the worry for injury. My thinking is that OHP can be done for reps as opposed to max effort.

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]JoeyMicas11 wrote:
What would you guys think about this:

Monday: Chest, Tris

Incline Dumbbell 3x6-10
Flat Barbell Bench 3x8-10
Decline Barbell Bench 3x10-12 (havent done decline in about a year, I hear its terrible and I hear its good, so maybe Ill throw it in.)
Pec Deck Fly Machine 2x12-15
Close Grip Bench Press or Skull Crushers 3x6-10
Rope Pushdowns 3x8-12
Abs

Tuesday: Back, Bis, Calves

Barbell Rows 3x6-10
Lat Pulldowns 4x8-12 or Straight Arm Pulldowns not sure
Close grip seated rows 3x8-12
Reverse Flys 3x8-12
Hammer Curls 3x10-12
Preacher Curls 3x10-12
Seated Calf Press 4x-10-15

Wed: Rest

Thurs: Shoulders, Traps

Standing shoulder Barbell Press 3x6-8
Dumbbell Military 3x8-12
Lateral Or L Raises 4x10-15 ( Not sure here, Would let to have huge lateral deltoids or atleast some lateral… At the moment from front view, my arms still out to my side further than my delts lol)
Rear deltoid flys on incline 3x8-12
Upright Rows 4x10-12
Rack shrugs 4x6-10

Friday: Rest

Saturday: Legs, Lower Back, Forearms

Squats 3x6-8
Deadlifts 3x8-10 ( I dont know if much people do both deads and squats together, but I want both of them incorporated?)
Leg Press 3x8-10
Leg extensions 3x10-12
Leg Curls 3x10-12
Standing Calve Raises 4x8-12
Back extensions 2x10-15
Wrist Rollers 2x2-3

This is 4 days. I would like to do 5 days not sure how without making a separate arm day which I dont want to do. Advice guys? Just made this quickly in between classes![/quote]

If you want to make it 5 days, I would recommend modifying your split to this:

1- Posterior Chain (with the exception of rear delts)
2- Shoulders
OFF
3- Quads/Calves
4- Chest/Triceps
5- Back/Biceps

Posterior chain day would include your trap work, deadlifting, and hamstring work. I’ll give more specifics if you want, but I need to get off the laptop for class lol. Just let me know.[/quote]

Ya I feel you I’m in class right now it’s rough typing all this out on my phone. Haha. But yeah I would definitely be interested. I would love to workout 5 days instead of 4. I’ve been on 3 days and 4 days for awhile. Tryin to go back to 5! Let me know!

prof X has a mad wicked OHP

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
How has this gone on 5 pages?

Delts lagging? WORK ON F’ING DELTS.

“Y U NO KEEP IT SIMPLE?”[/quote]

Because I’m an asshole?[/quote]

Are you causing this cold weather shit in New England today you rat bastard?
[/quote]

I think it’s weather saying

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:

[quote]want2getlean wrote:

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
now for my serious response, wouldn’t you be more prone to injury by not training your shoulders (imbalances)?
[/quote]

They still train shoulders, mostly alot of prehab and isolation work, just not heavy overhead work.

And I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with DeFranco’s reasoning to not include them, I’m just quoting it.
[/quote]

I get the worry for injury. My thinking is that OHP can be done for reps as opposed to max effort.
[/quote]

Again, the OHP is completely irrelevant to football. Bringing up squat is also an irrelevant comparison, considering football players still extend their legs against a load. But at no point on the football field will a player need to press against a load in the vertical plane. Bench press, and to an extent incline press, closely mimic actual movements in football. They also just so happen to hammer the anterior delts (and even work the medial delts somewhat), which you seem to be ignoring. So again, in an athletic context, there’s no need to OHP.

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]JoeyMicas11 wrote:
What would you guys think about this:

Monday: Chest, Tris

Incline Dumbbell 3x6-10
Flat Barbell Bench 3x8-10
Decline Barbell Bench 3x10-12 (havent done decline in about a year, I hear its terrible and I hear its good, so maybe Ill throw it in.)
Pec Deck Fly Machine 2x12-15
Close Grip Bench Press or Skull Crushers 3x6-10
Rope Pushdowns 3x8-12
Abs

Tuesday: Back, Bis, Calves

Barbell Rows 3x6-10
Lat Pulldowns 4x8-12 or Straight Arm Pulldowns not sure
Close grip seated rows 3x8-12
Reverse Flys 3x8-12
Hammer Curls 3x10-12
Preacher Curls 3x10-12
Seated Calf Press 4x-10-15

Wed: Rest

Thurs: Shoulders, Traps

Standing shoulder Barbell Press 3x6-8
Dumbbell Military 3x8-12
Lateral Or L Raises 4x10-15 ( Not sure here, Would let to have huge lateral deltoids or atleast some lateral… At the moment from front view, my arms still out to my side further than my delts lol)
Rear deltoid flys on incline 3x8-12
Upright Rows 4x10-12
Rack shrugs 4x6-10

Friday: Rest

Saturday: Legs, Lower Back, Forearms

Squats 3x6-8
Deadlifts 3x8-10 ( I dont know if much people do both deads and squats together, but I want both of them incorporated?)
Leg Press 3x8-10
Leg extensions 3x10-12
Leg Curls 3x10-12
Standing Calve Raises 4x8-12
Back extensions 2x10-15
Wrist Rollers 2x2-3

This is 4 days. I would like to do 5 days not sure how without making a separate arm day which I dont want to do. Advice guys? Just made this quickly in between classes![/quote]

If you want to make it 5 days, I would recommend modifying your split to this:

1- Posterior Chain (with the exception of rear delts)
2- Shoulders
OFF
3- Quads/Calves
4- Chest/Triceps
5- Back/Biceps

Posterior chain day would include your trap work, deadlifting, and hamstring work. I’ll give more specifics if you want, but I need to get off the laptop for class lol. Just let me know.[/quote]

I’d go with that

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
prof X has a mad wicked OHP[/quote]

I <3 the fact that you typed out wicked<3

lol Det being a dick for the sake of being a dick. love it.

SO, I PMed DeFranco, he said I should brush my teeth at least 6x/day and use dental floss e3d to prevent any problem.

He also said PX dental practice was total crap

Bye