[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
So… you basically didn’t like the fun parts of the movie.[/quote]
Right.
I don’t like fun. I like the pursuit of knowledge and I like cold, dispassionate analysis, followed by quiet, methodical application of that knowledge.
From all the evidence I’ve seen, DeFranco seems to be a very technically proficient coach.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Saw it. Way too over-the-top with bravado and emotion for my taste.
I’m interested in the scientific theory and concepts behind training, not the “meathead mentality” that goes into videos like these.
I don’t need heavy metal music blaring, I don’t need a grudge. I don’t need to dress like a hoodlum. I don’t need an inferiority complex. I don’t need an IQ of 85 in order to enjoy resistance training.
I think DeFranco is a good coach based on his programming but I can definitely skip the “hate the world” attitude that is so heavily associated with this type of training.
I really don’t give a shit about his childhood upbringing or about the “blood, sweat and tears” of his athletes. It’s the same old BS in every sport. Athletes train hard. They overcome setbacks and personal fears. I already know this. Who doesn’t?[/quote]
Good post!
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Saw it. Way too over-the-top with bravado and emotion for my taste.
I’m interested in the scientific theory and concepts behind training, not the “meathead mentality” that goes into videos like these.
I don’t need heavy metal music blaring, I don’t need a grudge. I don’t need to dress like a hoodlum. I don’t need an inferiority complex. I don’t need an IQ of 85 in order to enjoy resistance training.
I think DeFranco is a good coach based on his programming but I can definitely skip the “hate the world” attitude that is so heavily associated with this type of training.
I really don’t give a shit about his childhood upbringing or about the “blood, sweat and tears” of his athletes. It’s the same old BS in every sport. Athletes train hard. They overcome setbacks and personal fears. I already know this. Who doesn’t?[/quote]
Good post![/quote]
Bad post
I liked the film, for all I enjoy and study the science in training, I don’t see a P-value making me want to bust my ass in the gym or motivate me in the same way that someone screaming at me to get that extra rep out does. When I’m at the bottom of that last rep squat, I’m not thinking about the studies behind it, that’s for outside the gym.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
So… you basically didn’t like the fun parts of the movie.[/quote]
Right.
I don’t like fun. I like the pursuit of knowledge and I like cold, dispassionate analysis, followed by quiet, methodical application of that knowledge.
From all the evidence I’ve seen, DeFranco seems to be a very technically proficient coach.[/quote]
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out.
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
It was YOU, you son of a bitch!
[quote]Vash wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
It was YOU, you son of a bitch![/quote]
You, sir, have just won.
[quote]Vash wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
It was YOU, you son of a bitch![/quote]
You, sir, have just won.
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
I haven’t got any “dogs” to let out.
I don’t like dogs. They’re everything that I’m not: filthy, loud, stupid creatures.
I have to wonder how people get so fucked up that they adopt this attitude. Do you realize how immature it is?
Stop doing what others tell you to do and start living life your own way. Then you won’t walk around with seething resentment and hatred for the world.
Weight training is just a hobby. But it can be a science, too. To me, lifting is an intellectual as well as a physical pursuit. Training properly requires great focus. How can I possibly focus when my mind is clouded by anger or when there is brutal music blaring around me?
This is yet another reason why bodybuilding is more advanced than strength training. Bodybuilders, for the most part, are level-headed individuals who are trying to apply scientific concepts to change their physiques. Strength trainees are just angry neanderthals who want to grunt and move iron without putting an ounce of thought into the process.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
I haven’t got any “dogs” to let out.
I don’t like dogs. They’re everything that I’m not: filthy, loud, stupid creatures.
I have to wonder how people get so fucked up that they adopt this attitude. Do you realize how immature it is?
Stop doing what others tell you to do and start living life your own way. Then you won’t walk around with seething resentment and hatred for the world.
Weight training is just a hobby. But it can be a science, too. To me, lifting is an intellectual as well as a physical pursuit. Training properly requires great focus. How can I possibly focus when my mind is clouded by anger or when there is brutal music blaring around me?
This is yet another reason why bodybuilding is more advanced than strength training. Bodybuilders, for the most part, are level-headed individuals who are trying to apply scientific concepts to change their physiques. Strength trainees are just angry neanderthals who want to grunt and move iron without putting an ounce of thought into the process.[/quote]
You’re right, no thought goes into strength training.
…
[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Saw it. Way too over-the-top with bravado and emotion for my taste.
I’m interested in the scientific theory and concepts behind training, not the “meathead mentality” that goes into videos like these.
I don’t need heavy metal music blaring, I don’t need a grudge. I don’t need to dress like a hoodlum. I don’t need an inferiority complex. I don’t need an IQ of 85 in order to enjoy resistance training.
I think DeFranco is a good coach based on his programming but I can definitely skip the “hate the world” attitude that is so heavily associated with this type of training.
I really don’t give a shit about his childhood upbringing or about the “blood, sweat and tears” of his athletes. It’s the same old BS in every sport. Athletes train hard. They overcome setbacks and personal fears. I already know this. Who doesn’t?[/quote]
Good post![/quote]
Bad post[/quote]
It was actually a good post, which is amazing that I agree with Nominal on anything.
I actually enjoy implementing DeFranco’s training methods into my own training, but all the other “hard-ass” posturing I can do without (this isn’t a critique of DeFranco, but more to the “image” that some of his adherents bring along).
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Saw it. Way too over-the-top with bravado and emotion for my taste.
I’m interested in the scientific theory and concepts behind training, not the “meathead mentality” that goes into videos like these.
I don’t need heavy metal music blaring, I don’t need a grudge. I don’t need to dress like a hoodlum. I don’t need an inferiority complex. I don’t need an IQ of 85 in order to enjoy resistance training.
I think DeFranco is a good coach based on his programming but I can definitely skip the “hate the world” attitude that is so heavily associated with this type of training.
I really don’t give a shit about his childhood upbringing or about the “blood, sweat and tears” of his athletes. It’s the same old BS in every sport. Athletes train hard. They overcome setbacks and personal fears. I already know this. Who doesn’t?[/quote]
Good post![/quote]
Bad post[/quote]
It was actually a good post, which is amazing that I agree with Nominal on anything.
I actually enjoy implementing DeFranco’s training methods into my own training, but all the other “hard-ass” posturing I can do without (this isn’t a critique of DeFranco, but more to the “image” that some of his adherents bring along).[/quote]
So y’all don’t give a fuck about the “clientele” that he has built with THIS WAY OF TRAINING? Fuck how its done, its all about the results.
You can study shit all you want but the “hard-ass image” as you like to call it is not an act like you’re trying to imply. It’s what goes on. It’s a documentary and that’s how they do it.
If you’re getting results with this type of “hard-ass” training mentality, shouldn’t that be all that matters?
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
I haven’t got any “dogs” to let out.
I don’t like dogs. They’re everything that I’m not: filthy, loud, stupid creatures.
I have to wonder how people get so fucked up that they adopt this attitude. Do you realize how immature it is?
Stop doing what others tell you to do and start living life your own way. Then you won’t walk around with seething resentment and hatred for the world.
Weight training is just a hobby. But it can be a science, too. To me, lifting is an intellectual as well as a physical pursuit. Training properly requires great focus. How can I possibly focus when my mind is clouded by anger or when there is brutal music blaring around me?
This is yet another reason why bodybuilding is more advanced than strength training. Bodybuilders, for the most part, are level-headed individuals who are trying to apply scientific concepts to change their physiques. Strength trainees are just angry neanderthals who want to grunt and move iron without putting an ounce of thought into the process.[/quote]
Are you actually being serious?
Nominal: brilliant as usual. You really are the most talented troll I’ve ever encountered.
As for the movie, I loved it. I showed to some friends last week and they all loved it as well. None of them lift but now they all want to. I love the intensity brought by the athletes. Deon Anderson was awesome in it.
My only critique of the movie is the last 15 mins or so. I would have rather they kept talking about the athletes(a better piece on EJ Barthel would have been cool) rather then talking about Joe’s mothers illness.
Also, I know the dude is in great shape for his age, but did Joe’s dad seem like a tit-head to anyone else? Ok so third in the world in arm-wrestling is a damned nice achievement but that dude used to bring grilled chicken breasts to bars to eat between matches while the guys he was facing ate beer and peanuts. He just took the thing too seriously…
[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
I haven’t got any “dogs” to let out.
I don’t like dogs. They’re everything that I’m not: filthy, loud, stupid creatures.
I have to wonder how people get so fucked up that they adopt this attitude. Do you realize how immature it is?
Stop doing what others tell you to do and start living life your own way. Then you won’t walk around with seething resentment and hatred for the world.
Weight training is just a hobby. But it can be a science, too. To me, lifting is an intellectual as well as a physical pursuit. Training properly requires great focus. How can I possibly focus when my mind is clouded by anger or when there is brutal music blaring around me?
This is yet another reason why bodybuilding is more advanced than strength training. Bodybuilders, for the most part, are level-headed individuals who are trying to apply scientific concepts to change their physiques. Strength trainees are just angry neanderthals who want to grunt and move iron without putting an ounce of thought into the process.[/quote]
Are you actually being serious?[/quote]
He’s a troll, ignore him or just accept that he’s a troll and marvel at how exceptionally good he is at it…
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
I haven’t got any “dogs” to let out.
I don’t like dogs. They’re everything that I’m not: filthy, loud, stupid creatures.
I have to wonder how people get so fucked up that they adopt this attitude. Do you realize how immature it is?
Stop doing what others tell you to do and start living life your own way. Then you won’t walk around with seething resentment and hatred for the world.
Weight training is just a hobby. But it can be a science, too. To me, lifting is an intellectual as well as a physical pursuit. Training properly requires great focus. How can I possibly focus when my mind is clouded by anger or when there is brutal music blaring around me?
This is yet another reason why bodybuilding is more advanced than strength training. Bodybuilders, for the most part, are level-headed individuals who are trying to apply scientific concepts to change their physiques. Strength trainees are just angry neanderthals who want to grunt and move iron without putting an ounce of thought into the process.[/quote]
This is the worst and most closed-minded post I have ever seen on this website. If you were actually pursuing any scientific truth to training you would have found that studies (yes, those things that can be found PubMed) have shown that various types of music as well as provoking various emotional states (anger) can actually cause an increase in work capacity by releasing various hormones like epinephrine. Why do you think people who are high on PCP have been shown to have “super human strength”? Is it because they are so focused on thought? Not likely. Also, to state that one form of training is better than the other just sounds asinine. Anyone who actually participates in bodybuilding or powerlifting realizes that both sports require techniques utilized by both groups. In fact, most the techniques being used now by bodybuilders are those used years ago in the strength training world. Look at half the exercises being used in the I, Bodybuilder program. Do you really think bodybuilders came up with pin presses and squats with a yoke bar? So those so called “scientific concepts” you were speaking of probably didnt come from a controlled study in a lab but rather from those neanderthals who werent afraid of trying new techniques while you were in the corner being level-headed trying all the safe and out-dated exercises. So instead of bashing people or the “hobbies” they choose to participate in why dont you go read an actual book or journal and continue in your poor attempt to sound educated.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
[quote]johnconkle wrote:
Really? That’s what you like about lifting?
I just like to let the dogs out. [/quote]
I haven’t got any “dogs” to let out.
I don’t like dogs. They’re everything that I’m not: filthy, loud, stupid creatures.
[/quote]
Hey now. Let’s not hate on dogs.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Saw it. Way too over-the-top with bravado and emotion for my taste.
I’m interested in the scientific theory and concepts behind training, not the “meathead mentality” that goes into videos like these.
I don’t need heavy metal music blaring, I don’t need a grudge. I don’t need to dress like a hoodlum. I don’t need an inferiority complex. I don’t need an IQ of 85 in order to enjoy resistance training.
I think DeFranco is a good coach based on his programming but I can definitely skip the “hate the world” attitude that is so heavily associated with this type of training.
I really don’t give a shit about his childhood upbringing or about the “blood, sweat and tears” of his athletes. It’s the same old BS in every sport. Athletes train hard. They overcome setbacks and personal fears. I already know this. Who doesn’t?[/quote]
Good post![/quote]
Bad post[/quote]
It was actually a good post, which is amazing that I agree with Nominal on anything.
I actually enjoy implementing DeFranco’s training methods into my own training, but all the other “hard-ass” posturing I can do without (this isn’t a critique of DeFranco, but more to the “image” that some of his adherents bring along).[/quote]
Settle down before you hurt yourself. I’m simply giving an opinion, and it coincides with what you say; it’s all about results. I’m the type that allows my actions to speak for myself. All the other “window dressing” that I mentioned previously, I can do without. That’s all.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Dustin wrote:
[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Saw it. Way too over-the-top with bravado and emotion for my taste.
I’m interested in the scientific theory and concepts behind training, not the “meathead mentality” that goes into videos like these.
I don’t need heavy metal music blaring, I don’t need a grudge. I don’t need to dress like a hoodlum. I don’t need an inferiority complex. I don’t need an IQ of 85 in order to enjoy resistance training.
I think DeFranco is a good coach based on his programming but I can definitely skip the “hate the world” attitude that is so heavily associated with this type of training.
I really don’t give a shit about his childhood upbringing or about the “blood, sweat and tears” of his athletes. It’s the same old BS in every sport. Athletes train hard. They overcome setbacks and personal fears. I already know this. Who doesn’t?[/quote]
Good post![/quote]
Bad post[/quote]
It was actually a good post, which is amazing that I agree with Nominal on anything.
I actually enjoy implementing DeFranco’s training methods into my own training, but all the other “hard-ass” posturing I can do without (this isn’t a critique of DeFranco, but more to the “image” that some of his adherents bring along).[/quote]
Settle down before you hurt yourself. I’m simply giving an opinion, and it coincides with what you say; it’s all about results. I’m the type that allows my actions to speak for myself. All the other “window dressing” that I mentioned previously, I can do without. That’s all.
[/quote]
Well, how do you know its actually “window dressing” and not what actually goes on in there?
And I’m chill brah, just sayin…
[quote]mlane16 wrote:
This is the worst and most closed-minded post I have ever seen on this website. If you were actually pursuing any scientific truth to training you would have found that studies (yes, those things that can be found PubMed) have shown that various types of music as well as provoking various emotional states (anger) can actually cause an increase in work capacity by releasing various hormones like epinephrine. Why do you think people who are high on PCP have been shown to have “super human strength”? Is it because they are so focused on thought? Not likely. Also, to state that one form of training is better than the other just sounds asinine. Anyone who actually participates in bodybuilding or powerlifting realizes that both sports require techniques utilized by both groups. In fact, most the techniques being used now by bodybuilders are those used years ago in the strength training world. Look at half the exercises being used in the I, Bodybuilder program. Do you really think bodybuilders came up with pin presses and squats with a yoke bar? So those so called “scientific concepts” you were speaking of probably didnt come from a controlled study in a lab but rather from those neanderthals who werent afraid of trying new techniques while you were in the corner being level-headed trying all the safe and out-dated exercises. So instead of bashing people or the “hobbies” they choose to participate in why dont you go read an actual book or journal and continue in your poor attempt to sound educated.[/quote]
Powerlifters are ten times more close-minded than bodybuilders. That was part of my point.
Most bodybuilders can understand what powerlifting is all about, but try getting an average powerlifter, with his flame hat and 40" gut, to acknowledge that isolation exercises or machines can be useful for a certain segment of the training population. Simply isn’t going to happen.
Powerlifters tend to be big, fat, obnoxious, close-minded bullies and bigots. In a word, blockheads.
The examples go on and on. The world and the internet are filled with strength coaches who think bodybuilding is worthless and that all one has to do to develop a great physique is train like a strength athlete (Chad Waterbury fits into this camp and is proud of it). In contrast, you don’t find bodybuilding coaches trying to force their methodologies onto strength athletes. It’s only the strength morons who always think they know best.
Ironically, the strength guys resemble the aerobics and karate sissies who love to proclaim that anyone who can’t do a 1-arm handstand, run 5 miles, or break a board over their stomach isn’t in any kind of physical shape.
I don’t like obnoxious, oversized, imbecilic people.
This problem, like most problems, is much worse in America than elsewhere. That’s because American powerlifting is a sorry excuse for real strength training when compared to international weight lifting. The over-reliance on gear and “creative” methods of lifting (e.g. 4-inch ROM) simply kill the sport.
The performance crowd, of which DeFranco is a part, isn’t as bad as the powerlifting crowd. But they’re still over-the-top.
Every time I hear someone talk about “how much heart this kid’s got,” I know there isn’t a lot going on inside said kid’s head.
[quote]Getting Closer wrote:
Are you actually being serious?[/quote]
Definitely. I’m always serious. I think sarcasm is juvenile and I wouldn’t want to lower myself to the level of a typical American by using it. You can rest assured that I will stand behind everthing I’ve ever posted. I am not a flakey, wishy-washy guy who changes his views and mouths off. I am a rock solid, logical debater.