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[quote]Devil0351Dog wrote:
JOG wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’m not “ripped” and women don’t seem to give a shit.

my saving grace, but ain’t it the truth?

it is a security thing. women like a good looking man with some beef, but they don’t want us to be so lean as to make them feel fat.

i speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help my black @ss.

A few months ago at around 190#, 10%bf my ex complained that I was “not soft enough” (uncomfortable to rest her head on?) and seemed to have some complex about me being all “in shape” and her being “fat”. I REALLY don’t understand girls…

DD[/quote]

Things may be different because I am married, but my wife likes my ‘bulk belly’ (I will be posting a pic on the relevant thread later) and the same applies with my brother and his GF.

I know that my wife would get more turned on watching me pull a big deadlift than seeing me walk around with a 6 pack.

Just my situation and my 2 cents.

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[quote]horny yoda wrote:
Patrick Williams wrote:
Smoking enough pot causes man boobs

Dude.

Most of that shit was just funny. But that quote right there takes the cake.

Smoking pot causes man boobs.

Dude.

If that were true, I’d have some fucking big natural titties going on.

It isn’t so.

God, I hope you were freaking joking.[/quote]

I was serious, but hear me out.

ProX and I went back and forth on this. There is research from the 70s/80s saying it lowers T levels and caused gyno. ProX correctly pointed out that there is research in the 90s and more recently disputing that.

YOU ARE THE GUY I WANTED TO HEAR FROM!! (That is a BB who smokes)

Some questions, if you don’t mind.

How long have you been smoking and how many per day or week?

What are your bodybuilding/strength numbers?

You ever done a cycle?

Do you feel it affects your training at all?

I am NOT being judgemental. My quoted statement was, but like a true grown up, I’ve backed off my conclusions and have an open mind about it. I am willing to grow and learn and I may be wrong. (You don’t here that often on this site).

I won’t say I’ve never smoked, but then again, I CAN’T say that I have either. I believe in dudes being big and dominant, and if THC use impedes that or doesn’t, either way, we should know. I’ll be the first to admit that the statement you quoted may be based on faulty science. I look forward to your respectful response. Educate me.

Also, this is a body building think tank, according to the banner at the top of this page at least. There’s conflicting data on this topic, so I want to learn about this from pot smoking lifters.

Here is a thread regarding THC use and training. Please post your comments there and I will read/respond. Thanks.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=736450&pageNo=0

I also tried to set one up under Building the Perfect Body, but I don’t know if it made it.

There is already a thread on whether MJ should be legal, so post those opinions. Don’t hijack this thread. It’s for picking on Eminem wannabes.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=715815&pageNo=0

Also, I started a new one on MJ legality at

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1110234&pageNo=0

Thanks.

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[quote]bigmike88 wrote:
Geography wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.

for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.

to everyone else: i hope “we can all just get along” and co-exist on this site, so less-advanced guys like myself can learn something from the real bodybuilders.

That is a very good attempt to fake the highroad, do the exact opposite of the previous statement, then fake humility.

The only person you are fooling is yourself.

The whiney shit did the same thing in the curl in the squat rack thread then disapeared after everyone ripping him a new one.

speak when spoken to.
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Wait, didn’t know I was talking to you. Follow your own rule.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Would you rather be 180lbs at 8-10% bf or 210lbs and 15-18% bf?

This is a bodybuilding forum. Unless someone is very short or damn near contest shape, 180lbs isn’t impressive. It took weighing 210lbs at @15+% body fat to get to over 250lbs. This is a progression and a lifestyle, not a destination. [/quote]

Is 5’5" considered “very short”? I would think 180 with 8-10% BF would look fairly good for my frame, but then again I could be wrong. I used to get alot of attention and be called “big” when I was 165 8% BF.

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[quote]waltny wrote:
Is 5’5" considered “very short”? [/quote]

5’5" is so short, you have to reach up to tie your shoes.

It’s so short, you have to jump to touch the ground.

It’s so short, you pose for trophies.

It’s so short you can see your feet on your drivers license.

It’s so short you have to use a ladder to pick up a dime.

It’s so short you can play handball on the curb.

It’s so short you can do backflips under the bed.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

It’s so short you can see your feet on your drivers license.

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Gotta’ give you props…that’s a funny one. Nice job.

5’9" is average for men. In my opinion, short guys like myself look even shorter when they bulk up. Lee Priest looks like a huge midget.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
waltny wrote:
Is 5’5" considered “very short”?

5’5" is so short, you have to reach up to tie your shoes.

It’s so short, you have to jump to touch the ground.

It’s so short, you pose for trophies.

It’s so short you can see your feet on your drivers license.

It’s so short you have to use a ladder to pick up a dime.

It’s so short you can play handball on the curb.

It’s so short you can do backflips under the bed.
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Guilty on all charges, so it must be true…

Anyhow, on a more serious note I really dont think a lean 200lb is possible and is honestly not a goal for me. With the constant ground and pound style of military PT, my ideal bodyweight would be in the 165-175 range with a high end in the low to mid 180’s.

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“Ok, normally I dont let shit bother me but maybe I should just mind my own business”

If only…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
waltny wrote:
Is 5’5" considered “very short”?

It’s so short you can do backflips under the bed.
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LMAO.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Then why is it that only a hand full of people seem to embrace the true BB spirit and lifestyle? I wish this was more of a BB forum, where the fuck are all the BB’rs?

Prof, I havent been a member that long but I seem to always have to defend the BB lifestyle and training style. WTF? “Bigmike”, who the fuck gets to call himself that and make those kinds of statements.

Too many fucking pussies on this site and people that hate on BB. I know most mofo’s would give up their left nut to have anything similar to my physique. If its war, I am in.

AA

Professor X wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Would you rather be 180lbs at 8-10% bf or 210lbs and 15-18% bf?

This is a bodybuilding forum. Unless someone is very short or damn near contest shape, 180lbs isn’t impressive. It took weighing 210lbs at @15+% body fat to get to over 250lbs. This is a progression and a lifestyle, not a destination.

I can?t disagree Pro X , but it is more than just a Body building site .

Yes, it’s a bodybuilding think tank.

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AA why all the anger? I really do not think any one is dissing the Body builder life style.
I think some of the people are willing to trade size for function. That can not be all bad, Can it?

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[quote]oboffill wrote:
Professor X wrote:
waltny wrote:
Is 5’5" considered “very short”?

It’s so short you can do backflips under the bed.

LMAO.

[/quote]

The top rack of bunk beds on extra risers of course.

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[quote]AA why all the anger? I really do not think any one is dissing the Body builder life style.
I think some of the people are willing to trade size for function. That can not be all bad, Can it?

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Pittbull, the tension comes from the tired old comment you just made about trading size for function.

Comments like this perpetuate the myth that anyone who has put on some substantial muscle is useless unless they are benching or flexing.

Now, I can see how someone Ronnie Coleman sized could have problems with functionality, but not someone who is let’s say anywhere from 5’8 to 6 foot on up who has gotten to around 220 and up and maintained a fourteen to fifteen percent bodyfat percentage.

Someone in this range can carry an appreciable amount of muscle and with proper conditioning can still function with the best of them. Look at Shannon Sharp former Bronco, he carried quite a bit of muscle and I would say was pretty damn functional. Many other pro’s could be used as examples.

Not every time can above average muscle be useful as sport specific goals can be attributed to being functional such as a long distance runner or bicyclist, but those are extreme cases.

Too often when a guy can’t commit to eating a lot of protein, healthy carbs and fats, and consistently training with the balls to try to hit new poundage’s to add twenty pounds of muscle over a years time they give up.

They then say I never really wanted to be above 165 pounds because I would lose all of my functionality.

It’s painful to train with enough intensity to make remarkable gains (for each individual) and most won’t do it. Try supersetting Squats with bench using heavy ass weights and see if your heart and lungs don’t feel like they are going to explode… it’s painful, but erasing function, I don’t think so.

I would rather be functional and strong then functional and weak. Also, look at Amsterdam Animals pics in his profile he looks pretty damn big and functional IMO.

D

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
What about being a mean strong mofo and look good while you take your shirt off? It can be done bro. I dont know anything about you but I am sure with the right diet and program you can see the same strength results and look diesel on the beach.

heavythrower wrote:
i see the same stuff here too. i l,ive in a small college town, and most of the guys at the gym i train at bomb the hell ou of there upper bodies, and basically do nothing but treadmill and basket ball for there legs. i get a huge crowd watching me when i am squating with over 400lbs, and pulling over 500lbs. at Diablo Barbell, the girls are doing that.

now i am not hating. i admit when it is time to take the shirt off at the beach and show off to the girls, i would much rather look like these kids, despite my accomplishments in the strength game, to most i look pretty much like a fatty.

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“Mean strong mofo”??? “Diesel on the beach”??? “Bro”???

Since when did LL Cool J. have an account on T-Nation?

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Haha, good one. I am Amsterdam, I am foreigner, I learn English as in the rap music.

[quote]Ryu13 wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
What about being a mean strong mofo and look good while you take your shirt off? It can be done bro. I dont know anything about you but I am sure with the right diet and program you can see the same strength results and look diesel on the beach.

heavythrower wrote:
i see the same stuff here too. i l,ive in a small college town, and most of the guys at the gym i train at bomb the hell ou of there upper bodies, and basically do nothing but treadmill and basket ball for there legs. i get a huge crowd watching me when i am squating with over 400lbs, and pulling over 500lbs. at Diablo Barbell, the girls are doing that.

now i am not hating. i admit when it is time to take the shirt off at the beach and show off to the girls, i would much rather look like these kids, despite my accomplishments in the strength game, to most i look pretty much like a fatty.

“Mean strong mofo”??? “Diesel on the beach”??? “Bro”???

Since when did LL Cool J. have an account on T-Nation?
[/quote]

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My anger fuels my intensity in the gym. If it wasnt for the gym, look out…

Nah man, Dedicated summed it up nicely. Check out some of my other posts man, its not all about anger, well sorta. Holland just won, beat Ivory Coast 2-1 so I am in good spirits.

bigmike88 has since redeemed himself. He contacted me off line and I actually like his approach and attitude to lifting. As stated before, I am willing to help out any serious lifter regardless of his goals, I just dont have time for bullshit.

Peace …for now :slight_smile:
A

[quote]Dedicated wrote:
AA why all the anger? I really do not think any one is dissing the Body builder life style.
I think some of the people are willing to trade size for function. That can not be all bad, Can it?

Pittbull, the tension comes from the tired old comment you just made about trading size for function.

Comments like this perpetuate the myth that anyone who has put on some substantial muscle is useless unless they are benching or flexing.

Now, I can see how someone Ronnie Coleman sized could have problems with functionality, but not someone who is let’s say anywhere from 5’8 to 6 foot on up who has gotten to around 220 and up and maintained a fourteen to fifteen percent bodyfat percentage.

Someone in this range can carry an appreciable amount of muscle and with proper conditioning can still function with the best of them. Look at Shannon Sharp former Bronco, he carried quite a bit of muscle and I would say was pretty damn functional. Many other pro’s could be used as examples.

Not every time can above average muscle be useful as sport specific goals can be attributed to being functional such as a long distance runner or bicyclist, but those are extreme cases.

Too often when a guy can’t commit to eating a lot of protein, healthy carbs and fats, and consistently training with the balls to try to hit new poundage’s to add twenty pounds of muscle over a years time they give up.

They then say I never really wanted to be above 165 pounds because I would lose all of my functionality.

It’s painful to train with enough intensity to make remarkable gains (for each individual) and most won’t do it. Try supersetting Squats with bench using heavy ass weights and see if your heart and lungs don’t feel like they are going to explode… it’s painful, but erasing function, I don’t think so.

I would rather be functional and strong then functional and weak. Also, look at Amsterdam Animals pics in his profile he looks pretty damn big and functional IMO.

D

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
AA why all the anger? I really do not think any one is dissing the Body builder life style.
I think some of the people are willing to trade size for function. That can not be all bad, Can it?

Pittbull, the tension comes from the tired old comment you just made about trading size for function.

Comments like this perpetuate the myth that anyone who has put on some substantial muscle is useless unless they are benching or flexing.

Now, I can see how someone Ronnie Coleman sized could have problems with functionality, but not someone who is let’s say anywhere from 5’8 to 6 foot on up who has gotten to around 220 and up and maintained a fourteen to fifteen percent bodyfat percentage.

Someone in this range can carry an appreciable amount of muscle and with proper conditioning can still function with the best of them. Look at Shannon Sharp former Bronco, he carried quite a bit of muscle and I would say was pretty damn functional. Many other pro’s could be used as examples.

Not every time can above average muscle be useful as sport specific goals can be attributed to being functional such as a long distance runner or bicyclist, but those are extreme cases.

Too often when a guy can’t commit to eating a lot of protein, healthy carbs and fats, and consistently training with the balls to try to hit new poundage’s to add twenty pounds of muscle over a years time they give up.

They then say I never really wanted to be above 165 pounds because I would lose all of my functionality.

It’s painful to train with enough intensity to make remarkable gains (for each individual) and most won’t do it. Try supersetting Squats with bench using heavy ass weights and see if your heart and lungs don’t feel like they are going to explode… it’s painful, but erasing function, I don’t think so.

I would rather be functional and strong then functional and weak. Also, look at Amsterdam Animals pics in his profile he looks pretty damn big and functional IMO.

D

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I would not say any one including Ronnie Coleman is non functional. But there is a trade off. I will give you an example. I am not as developed as AA but I was having a Jump rope competition with a Grand Daughter , I was winning until she realized I could not cross my arms and jump through the rope, granted that lack of function will probably never cause me any problems. But in my opinion the more specialized your body becomes the majority of other functions decrease to some degree.

  PB
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I would not say any one including Ronnie Coleman is non functional. But there is a trade off. I will give you an example. I am not as developed as AA but I was having a Jump rope competition with a Grand Daughter , I was winning until she realized I could not cross my arms and jump through the rope, granted that lack of function will probably never cause me any problems. But in my opinion the more specialized your body becomes the majority of other functions decrease to some degree.

  PB

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WTF? If that’s you in your avatar, you are nowhere near “swole” enough to be claiming you can’t cross your arms with a jump rope. Perhaps it is just you who has lost so much flexibility that you can’t jump rope. Beyond that, I don’t know too many people aside from top pros who can’t jump rope with enough practice. Your entire argument sounds like bullshit. For me there is no trade off. I train to be strong and big. There is nothing else I need to be “functional” for that either can’t be trained for or learned. I could care less about pushing trucks or balancing on one leg as I carry a bucket of water in my left hand while scratching my nuts with my right. I would love to see some examples of some of you “super athletes” who supposedly excel at every sport. Why aren’t any of you going “pro”?

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This thread is pretty wankster so I’ll add to the size-functional debate.

In my opinion, NFL Running Backs have the best combination of speed, size, strength, and agility.

From:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/rb

There were 29 running backs at this year’s Combine and only four of the 29 were fullbacks. The average height was 5-foot-10? and the tallest was Gilbert Harris of Arizona at 6-1 5/8.

The average weight was 214 pounds and the heaviest was Matt Bernstein, a fullback from Wisconsin, at 260 pounds. LenDale White (238 pounds) was the heaviest halfback.

The fastest halfback was USC’s Reggie Bush (4.39 40-yard dash). The fastest fullback was David Kirtman (4.76).

The average bench press reps at 225 pounds was 20. The average vertical jump was 34? inches.

Looks like 200-230 lbs @ 5’8"-5’10" is the upper limit for an excellent physical performance profile.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

WTF? If that’s you in your avatar, you are nowhere near “swole” enough to be claiming you can’t cross your arms with a jump rope. Perhaps it is just you who has lost so much flexibility that you can’t jump rope. Beyond that, I don’t know too many people aside from top pros who can’t jump rope with enough practice. Your entire argument sounds like bullshit. For me there is no trade off. I train to be strong and big. There is nothing else I need to be “functional” for that either can’t be trained for or learned. I could care less about pushing trucks or balancing on one leg as I carry a bucket of water in my left hand while scratching my nuts with my right. I would love to see some examples of some of you “super athletes” who supposedly excel at every sport. Why aren’t any of you going “pro”?
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Well dog chow I thought we were not talking. I was trying to honor your feelings. As far as you training to be strong and big, there is nothing wrong with that Just like being a contortionist, or running marathons, those specialties will cost you something. I am not sure what you consider to be bull shit.

I think you have bigger problems than not being able to stand on one leg while holding a bucket and scratch your balls with your other hand.

As far as my body not being up to your standards, I personally do not care what you think. I train to fight. I am too pretty to fight as well as being too old, but that is my motivation to work out. I will take any hypertrophy that comes with my work out, but I spend very little time on hyper trophy.

In all honesty I have considered trimming a few pounds to see if I can increase my endurance.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
You will have to excuse me Pro X, but IMO Testosterone Nation has morphed. Only the owner I believe TC could dispute the matter. I think T-Nation is now a Physical Training Think tank.

Is there some reason you keep following me around? Do I have Alpo dog treats hanging out of my back pocket?

TC wrote the following from this article:
http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=06-atmicdog-003

“Just remember, we’re primarily a site about building muscle, strong and functional muscle that makes us look badass and be badass.”

While I HATE his use of the word “functional”, I think that sums it up. Everyone knows there are people with different goals on this site. However, this is still primarily a BODYBUILDING THINK TANK. Why does this hurt some of you so much?
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I am not following you around I thought you were capable of communicating with out crying. I am quite sure you do not know how to communicate with out being an ass.