[quote]bigmike88 wrote:
to everyone else: i hope “we can all just get along” and co-exist on this site, so less-advanced guys like myself can learn something from the real bodybuilders. [/quote]
Goodness, if you are trying to learn so much, why are you typing so much?
[quote]bigmike88 wrote:
amsterdamn…youre needlessly hostile…i feel like im on a message board with a bunch of hormonal 15 year old girls sometimes…[/quote]
You mean it’s not? DAMNITT! I’m on the wrong thread AGAIN! Where are the 15y/o hormonal girls?
[quote]bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.
for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.
[/quote]
“Methinks he doth protest too much.”
[quote]bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.
for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.
to everyone else: i hope “we can all just get along” and co-exist on this site, so less-advanced guys like myself can learn something from the real bodybuilders. [/quote]
That is a very good attempt to fake the highroad, do the exact opposite of the previous statement, then fake humility.
The only person you are fooling is yourself.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…why are you trying to be different than the rest of us?[/quote]
What are you, the Borg? (with robotic voice) “Must assimilate…”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Leafblighter wrote:
There are hundreds of trade-offs in the pursuit of size. To name a few:
You might as well quit now. Anyone making any progress worth speaking on is affected by these.[/quote]
The key point I was trying to make is yes, these things affect us, but the degree we allow them to in the pursuit of size varies.
A $400/mo grocery bill a month may be acceptable to me if it gets me to 220. But a $500/mo bill may not be acceptable to get me up to 230. The costs are now no longer worth the rewards. In this case, an XBOX 360 might be more valuable to me than those extra 10 lbs.
Or maybe 5 hours a week in the gym is an acceptable time cost, but 6 hours is not.
Now someone who is way skewed in favor of size at all costs, would think nothing of 20 hours a week in the gym and a $1000 grocery bill if that was required to reach the next level. These are the people who will be the successful bodybuilding pros.
Or maybe a couple grand spent on anabolic steroids is worth it to you or me. In this case, we weigh the perceived benefit (more size, strength) vs the monetary cost, potential to be caught, and an internal desire to do it “natural.”
The pros mentioned above might think we’re amateurs who don’t take lifting seriously because we’re not willing to inject grams of steroids and insulin into our ass everyday to get to 275. So why should we bother lifting at all if we’re not going to take it seriously? 
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I have never seen anyone even remotely close to competitive size in the military. Yes, of the millions who serve there may be a few that have achieved that kind of size.
I know I’m a little behind here, so I’ll try not to rehash anything old, but the above statement surprises me. Aren’t you in the the Marine Corps? I was in the Marine Corps and seen many very large Marines. Not all were competiton ready, but most were a good 6 months away from being ready (in either size or leanness).
Also, back to me being 220. I need to be 220 for people to know I lift. If I was a ripped 175, no one would know I lifted, and no one sees my abs with my shirt on. However, at 220, you can see I lift when I’m fully dressed. And I’m dressed a lot more often than I’m not. So, in my opinion, the six pack doesn’t serve me well. I’m not trying to argue, just explaining my rationale for not being as strict with my diet and body fat.
Yes, I understand you have your goals, and that’s fine. I also know that many USMC units display their “hard core-ness” by running forever and ever everyday. That can make it hard for putting on size. I hated it. (Running doesn’t make you hard, Major Storms!) Anyway, I’m rambling now.[/quote]
I hear ya’. I hate running. I only do it because I have to. If you were to look at me in regular clothes you would just see a guy who’s in great shape. Not real big, but fit. Without my shirt on I look pretty darn good with decent muscle size and separation. Pretty impressive for a 36 year old, in my opinion. Yes, there are some huge Marines that are lean. I have known some monsters, but I haven’t seen any that looked like competitors. I had a Gunnery Sergeant that worked for me who did compete at the amature level, but he wasn’t real big, just ripped. Saw a guy in an Air Force gym in Italy back in 1996 that looked like Shawn Ray. Don’t know if he was AF or a dependent. One of my friends was on the Air Force lifting team back in the 80’s. The Air Force has special programs that let guys focus on athletics like that. The Marines don’t have time or personnel to let folks focus on sports.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So…why are you trying to be different than the rest of us?
What are you, the Borg? (with robotic voice) “Must assimilate…”
[/quote]
No, just someone noticing that you happen to be the one throwing up boundaries, not anyone else. You are the one who feels a need to protest bodybuilding because you claim to have different goals. It really doesn’t matter if you have trained twice as long as I have if the results are not there to show it. We all understand that everyone on this site has different goals…but it is all related to bodybuilding. It seems that you all are protesting because you want to justify lack of progress. That begs the question, “why are you here?”.
[quote]The Beast wrote:
bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.
for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.
“Methinks he doth protest too much.”
[/quote]
If he would have learned to capitalize he would have scored an 800.
Does it piss any of the other old guys off that todays SATs are graded more leniently thus intentionally inflating the scores?
[quote]Leafblighter wrote:
There are hundreds of trade-offs in the pursuit of size. To name a few:
Grocery bill
Lipid profile
Sprinting speed
Aerobic endurance
Mainstream visual appeal
Injuries
Clothing fit
Time in gym
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I disagree with this list with the exception of gorcery bill and clothing.
I have a better blood lipid profile, my back,knees and shoulder are in much better condition at 240 than they were at 210. I have better aerobic endurance and I spend the exact same 5 hours in the gym that I did 2 years ago. I just lift more and rest less. As far as grocery bill, well I have kids it’s already astronomical.
And who the hell wants a main stream anything.
I got a good laugh out of it. I was going to reply but its just not worth it. I cant wait for this kid to walk into some gym and run into a guy like me.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.
for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.
to everyone else: i hope “we can all just get along” and co-exist on this site, so less-advanced guys like myself can learn something from the real bodybuilders.
That is a very good attempt to fake the highroad, do the exact opposite of the previous statement, then fake humility.
The only person you are fooling is yourself.
[/quote]
[quote]Leafblighter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Leafblighter wrote:
There are hundreds of trade-offs in the pursuit of size. To name a few:
You might as well quit now. Anyone making any progress worth speaking on is affected by these.
The key point I was trying to make is yes, these things affect us, but the degree we allow them to in the pursuit of size varies.
A $400/mo grocery bill a month may be acceptable to me if it gets me to 220. But a $500/mo bill may not be acceptable to get me up to 230. The costs are now no longer worth the rewards. In this case, an XBOX 360 might be more valuable to me than those extra 5 lbs.
Or maybe 5 hours a week in the gym is an acceptable time cost, but 6 hours is not.
Now someone who is way skewed in favor of size at all costs, would think nothing of 20 hours a week in the gym and a $1000 grocery bill if that was required to reach the next level. These are the people who will be the successful bodybuilding pros.
Or maybe a couple grand spent on anabolic steroids is worth it to you or me. In this case, we weigh the perceived benefit (more size, strength) vs the monetary cost, potential to be caught, and an internal desire to do it “natural.”
The pros mentioned above might think we’re amateurs who don’t take lifting seriously because we’re not willing to inject grams of steroids and insulin into our ass everyday to get to 275. So why should we bother lifting at all if we’re not going to take it seriously?
[/quote]
C’mon brother, again we aren’t talking stepping on the Olympia stage. We are talking about looking like someone who workouts whether clothed or not.
When you can see a guy with his shirt on and still notice definition in the shoulders, traps, chest, arms, he still has a thin waist and complimenting leg development. His strength levels should be in the 300 and up range for bench, 400 and up for squat, and 400 and up for deadlift, you know this type of person has put in some serious work.
And, to point out the cost perspective some of the best gains I made six or so years ago I was living on $700 per month in a room the size of a large closet. I bought lots of chicken drumsticks, tuna, whole wheat bread, frozen vegetables for .99 a bag, fat free generic milk, eggs, generic yogurt, and such.
As far as supplementation at that time it was an economical protein (didn’t know about the Grow! MRP’s at that time) powder, creatine, and when I could afford it MAG-10 and TRIBEX.
I also worked out only three to four times per week an hour max each session.
In summary, you don’t need thousands of dollars or syringes full of juice to reach a physique in the 200 on up range with above the norm strength levels unless you’re cursed with piss poor Woody Allen genetics then God help you. You just need the desire to do it! No excuses just time and consistency and then bam one day your like holy cow is that me who just hit that PR.
D
What up Zap. I don’t know anything about inflating scores. I do think it is rather funny that he boasts about a 690. That means when I took it in 1995 after first coming to the US, I actually scored higher than him and English is my third language.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The Beast wrote:
bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.
for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.
“Methinks he doth protest too much.”
If he would have learned to capitalize he would have scored an 800.
Does it piss any of the other old guys off that todays SATs are graded more leniently thus intentionally inflating the scores?
[/quote]
This grocery bill thing is interesting. I have found that my grocey bill is actually lower than most people I know especially if you also look at money spent on food outside the house. I hardly ever eat out which saves me a ton of money. Also, all I need is for Giant or whatver to put their oats on sale for a week and I buy all they have and am good for months. Meats I get from a whole sale place and I buy most foods in bulk. It also helps that I eat a lot of the same stuff which saves me money. I guess what I am saying is that if you cared enough you could eat 8/9 meals a day and still have an acceptable grocery bill.
[quote]Leafblighter wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Leafblighter wrote:
There are hundreds of trade-offs in the pursuit of size. To name a few:
You might as well quit now. Anyone making any progress worth speaking on is affected by these.
The key point I was trying to make is yes, these things affect us, but the degree we allow them to in the pursuit of size varies.
A $400/mo grocery bill a month may be acceptable to me if it gets me to 220. But a $500/mo bill may not be acceptable to get me up to 230. The costs are now no longer worth the rewards. In this case, an XBOX 360 might be more valuable to me than those extra 10 lbs.
Or maybe 5 hours a week in the gym is an acceptable time cost, but 6 hours is not.
Now someone who is way skewed in favor of size at all costs, would think nothing of 20 hours a week in the gym and a $1000 grocery bill if that was required to reach the next level. These are the people who will be the successful bodybuilding pros.
Or maybe a couple grand spent on anabolic steroids is worth it to you or me. In this case, we weigh the perceived benefit (more size, strength) vs the monetary cost, potential to be caught, and an internal desire to do it “natural.”
The pros mentioned above might think we’re amateurs who don’t take lifting seriously because we’re not willing to inject grams of steroids and insulin into our ass everyday to get to 275. So why should we bother lifting at all if we’re not going to take it seriously?
[/quote]
Nice post. I agree with you completely. Unfortunately very few people understand this and/or have the balls to make that kind of commitment. You would not believe how many people told me at 220 I could not get to 240 and stay natural, go from 240 to 260 and stay natural etc. I have learned a long time ago that in this game, you are mostly on your own and there are always haters that try to bring you down. So fuck them and fuck everyone who is telling me now I can’t get to 300 and stay natural.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
In summary, you don’t need thousands of dollars or syringes full of juice to reach a physique in the 200 on up range with above the norm strength levels unless you’re cursed with piss poor Woody Allen genetics then God help you. You just need the desire to do it! No excuses just time and consistency and then bam one day your like holy cow is that me who just hit that PR.
D[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So…why are you trying to be different than the rest of us?
What are you, the Borg? (with robotic voice) “Must assimilate…”
No, just someone noticing that you happen to be the one throwing up boundaries, not anyone else. You are the one who feels a need to protest bodybuilding because you claim to have different goals. It really doesn’t matter if you have trained twice as long as I have if the results are not there to show it. We all understand that everyone on this site has different goals…but it is all related to bodybuilding. It seems that you all are protesting because you want to justify lack of progress. That begs the question, “why are you here?”.[/quote]
When did I protest bodybuilding? I think it’s great. In the last 20 years, I don’t think I’ve ever gone a week without doing something in the gym. I’m bigger, stronger and faster at age 36 than I have ever been. It’s all do to lifting weights. Thanks to this website and others, plus lots of books, the last 2 years have been the most productive. I totally respect what you do and if I somehow gave you the impression that I disapprove, then I apologize. I’m here to learn and correspond with people who have an interest in weight lifting. The BB’rs, powerlifters, and lean dudes all have valuable opinions. I don’t appreciate getting flamed for not wanting to gain 30 more pounds. My goal is to be 180lbs and around 10%bf. At my height, that’s not bad. I’m almost there (need to loose some bf). When I reach my goals, I’ll reassess and make new goals.
I dont mind em, there not a terrible trend in my neck of the woods, and if they wannabe anything and theyre in the gym their on a good start to being something, I say LET THEM PLAY! Just get rid of the fag crews that have chat parties at the squat rack on saturday mornings, theyre really killing my testosterone…
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
bigmike88 wrote:
youre absolutely ridiculous amsterdamn, real attitude problems.i do know to respect my elders, so im just going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.
for the record, asshole, i got a 690 on the SAT verbal section, i read and communicate very well.
to everyone else: i hope “we can all just get along” and co-exist on this site, so less-advanced guys like myself can learn something from the real bodybuilders.
That is a very good attempt to fake the highroad, do the exact opposite of the previous statement, then fake humility.
The only person you are fooling is yourself.
[/quote]
The whiney shit did the same thing in the curl in the squat rack thread then disapeared after everyone ripping him a new one.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I have never seen anyone even remotely close to competitive size in the military. Yes, of the millions who serve there may be a few that have achieved that kind of size.
I know I’m a little behind here, so I’ll try not to rehash anything old, but the above statement surprises me. Aren’t you in the the Marine Corps? I was in the Marine Corps and seen many very large Marines. Not all were competiton ready, but most were a good 6 months away from being ready (in either size or leanness).
Also, back to me being 220. I need to be 220 for people to know I lift. If I was a ripped 175, no one would know I lifted, and no one sees my abs with my shirt on. However, at 220, you can see I lift when I’m fully dressed. And I’m dressed a lot more often than I’m not. So, in my opinion, the six pack doesn’t serve me well. I’m not trying to argue, just explaining my rationale for not being as strict with my diet and body fat.
Yes, I understand you have your goals, and that’s fine. I also know that many USMC units display their “hard core-ness” by running forever and ever everyday. That can make it hard for putting on size. I hated it. (Running doesn’t make you hard, Major Storms!) Anyway, I’m rambling now.[/quote]
It should be noted however, that most of the “big” guys in the Marines are not grunts. When you’re in the field 3 weeks out of the month and running 4 days a week with a hump on friday when you’re not in the field, it’s a little hard to put on size.
I got out of the Corps at the end of last August at 170-175# (5’10"). I’m above 200# now and pushing for 210…It helps when exercise selection/frequency, sleep paterns and nutrition are all in your hands.
Semper Fi,
DD
The post by wrestler189 is me…I was on my kid brothers screen name…
DD