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I second that, they (women) will even come up and ask to feel the arms when my girl is standing right next to me.

I dont let guys feel my arms, something seems wrong about that.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Just wondering… all you muscle studs with 19 inch arms…what’s the ratio of guys to girls that come up to you and want to touch your arms? I ask because a friend of mine is freakin’ huge and ripped (his arms are unreal). He goes to the bars and it’s the guys who always come up to him and say “dude, your arms are awesome!”. Girls could care less.

Overall, if you’re trying to impress girls, personality will beat musculature every time (unless you’re a big fat sweaty slob). Combine muscles and personality for best results. Even the shallow girls want a little personality.

Women make comments and approach me a lot. Guys may make comments from far off or ask me what I do in the gym, but girls are the only ones who grab. I don’t know what world you guys are living in where women don’t like muscle mass. I will add that the super ripped look will probably turn some women off because you look either high maintenance or like you ONLY care about lifting. I’m not “ripped” and women don’t seem to give a shit.[/quote]

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Then why is it that only a hand full of people seem to embrace the true BB spirit and lifestyle? I wish this was more of a BB forum, where the fuck are all the BB’rs?

Prof, I havent been a member that long but I seem to always have to defend the BB lifestyle and training style. WTF? “Bigmike”, who the fuck gets to call himself that and make those kinds of statements.

Too many fucking pussies on this site and people that hate on BB. I know most mofo’s would give up their left nut to have anything similar to my physique. If its war, I am in.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Would you rather be 180lbs at 8-10% bf or 210lbs and 15-18% bf?

This is a bodybuilding forum. Unless someone is very short or damn near contest shape, 180lbs isn’t impressive. It took weighing 210lbs at @15+% body fat to get to over 250lbs. This is a progression and a lifestyle, not a destination.

I can?t disagree Pro X , but it is more than just a Body building site .

Yes, it’s a bodybuilding think tank. [/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Well, gee, the rest of “you” will have to deal with “us” as well. Let the motherfucking war begin.[/quote]

I’m pretty sure that that was a direct quote off of the “DoggyStyle” album.

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what the fuck are you talking about amsterdamn? whos starting war? chill the fuck out…its an online forum, no need to get all emotional…by the way i can choose whatever fucking screenname i want. alot of people call me ‘bigmike’ and i was born in 1988, so i put the two together…deal with it…

i am here trying to gain knowledge from older more experienced lifters, like yourself and prof, so get a grip…if it wasnt for T-Nation i wouldnt have been able to gain 24 lbs while goin up in body fat only a couple points in the past 3 months…obviously a sign saying im trying to get BIGGER, but that doesnt mean i want to have to turn sideways to get in a door …

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Would you rather be 180lbs at 8-10% bf or 210lbs and 15-18% bf?

This is a bodybuilding forum. Unless someone is very short or damn near contest shape, 180lbs isn’t impressive. It took weighing 210lbs at @15+% body fat to get to over 250lbs. This is a progression and a lifestyle, not a destination. [/quote]

That’s the only reason I got any looks; because I stayed ripped all the time. My 170-73 lbs. looked a lot bigger than it really was. I’m up to about 181-83 right now, and I have no intention of stopping when my abs disappear(if they do). I’m trying to stay somewhat lean, but getting bigger is my priority right now. I want to be as heavy as people think I look.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Yes, it’s a bodybuilding think tank.

That doesn’t mean we all want to look like Mr. O. What about the powerlifters here? They have entirely different goals than BB’rs. Gees, lighten up on the attitude.

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Interesting. Here’s my take. I train powerlifting. It looks like I’ll be competing at 165. Now my feeling is this- Fat does not move the weight. Right now I’m at slightly less than 10% bf., what many would consider the optimal range. If I can drop some fat and gain some muscle without sacraficing strength, that would be dandy, but in the mean time, I still have the benefit of being somewhat lean, and good physique, and prety strong.
More would be better, but I want to give one lifting meet at this weight a shot just to see how it goes.

The point is that it doesn’t have to be one- Bodybuilder, or the other- Powerlifter. There are some prety damn lean and well built power and olympic lifters out there. Damn strong bdybuilders, too. If conditioning your body to do these types of lifts isn’t bodybuilding, I don’t know what is.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Yes, it’s a bodybuilding think tank.

That doesn’t mean we all want to look like Mr. O. What about the powerlifters here? They have entirely different goals than BB’rs. Gees, lighten up on the attitude.

Interesting. Here’s my take. I train powerlifting. It looks like I’ll be competing at 165. Now my feeling is this- Fat does not move the weight. Right now I’m at slightly less than 10% bf., what many would consider the optimal range. If I can drop some fat and gain some muscle without sacraficing strength, that would be dandy, but in the mean time, I still have the benefit of being somewhat lean, and good physique, and prety strong.
More would be better, but I want to give one lifting meet at this weight a shot just to see how it goes.

The point is that it doesn’t have to be one- Bodybuilder, or the other- Powerlifter. There are some prety damn lean and well built power and olympic lifters out there. Damn strong bdybuilders, too. If conditioning your body to do these types of lifts isn’t bodybuilding, I don’t know what is.

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It makes you wonder why people are putting up boundaries as if they are trying to make bodybuilding look bad. That is where many of these terms come from, like “functional” or the few who seem to log on and bitch about gaining muscle as if everyone wants to look like Ronnie Coleman.

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Even the regular writers on the site address and support non-bodybuilding sports in their recommendations for training. Great articles on MMA strength training and others.

There are some truly huge, ripped guys on this site (props to Prof X) whom I have a great deal of respect. Personally, it’s not my goal to be 260 with 10% BF and able to do combined lifts over 1800 lbs. Due to my job and personal goals, getting to 215 with 10% BF with combined lifts of 1200 and able to run 5 miles in 40 min is my target.

Does that make me a “pussy”? The dietary discipline alone is something I’m unable (not unwilling) to adhere to perfectly due to frequent travel and austere work places. Not to mention the lack of ideal training facilities. Although, I am fortunate enough to have internet access to this website with some great ideas on strength and fitness.

I see no need for a “war”. I’ve already got plenty of that. How about recognizing there are different goals, not everybody is a pure bodybuilder, that those of us who lift hard and train hard will be hard? Those who aren’t willing to commit and get large, let them go, and don’t try to stop them. They just make us look even better and more disciplined.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

It makes you wonder why people are putting up boundaries as if they are trying to make bodybuilding look bad. That is where many of these terms come from, like “functional” or the few who seem to log on and bitch about gaining muscle as if everyone wants to look like Ronnie Coleman. [/quote]

Functional, relative,psssh. One I love to hear is “Damn that dude’s strong! He benches 450 easy!”

“Yeah, but look how big he is, yo. I can bench hella more pound-for-pound.”

So what? The big dude is still stronger than you. Not everyone may want to get huge, but most people generally want to get at least a little bigger; that’s one of the main reasons for lifting as far as most people are concerned. Even the some Eminem wannabes fall in there. They just don’t know what “big” is yet(poor delusional bastards).

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And for the guys who want to be thin, go to Crossfit. Less time in the gym for you (and less in our way) and you’ll get as thin as possible.

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[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
Its just harder for those of us who want to be as big as poss, to see the reasoning of just wanting abs or to bring the arms up to get into a bird’s knickers.

When you’ve spent years stuffing your face, putting up with sore legs, injuries, being fat, being bloated, being anxious as hell on stimulants, jabbing gear in yer ass (that bits optional) and general dedication, just wanting to get abs and biceps for the ladies is meaningless.[/quote]

I think this is the root of the perceived problem. There are a bunch of guys here who live this lifestyle. Some of us choose a different lifestyle. I’m in the military.

I am subject to random urinalysis. I can get court martialed and discharged for taking “gear”. I am also required to maintain a certain body composition. “being fat, being bloated” is not a good thing and can also get me kicked out. Being able to run fast is something all military folks get graded on. Hugeness won’t help there. Everyone has different goals in the weightroom. That doesn’t make anyone more or less dedicated simply because they don’t share your goals.

Also, at age 36, I’m not interested in gaining a lot of weight, getting fat and having constantly sore joints. I don’t want to be that huge old fat guy limping around the gym bragging about squatting 600lbs “back in the day” who has a bad back and blown out knees. The metabolism only slows down. If I don’t get lean and stay lean now it will be almost impossible later. When I was in my 20’s I was all about getting huge, took all kinds of supplements, did all kinds of crazy lifts. Now I have a torn disk in my back and a bad shoulder to show for it.

Different goals, that’s all.

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[quote]PGJ wrote:
Dr. Stig wrote:
Its just harder for those of us who want to be as big as poss, to see the reasoning of just wanting abs or to bring the arms up to get into a bird’s knickers.

When you’ve spent years stuffing your face, putting up with sore legs, injuries, being fat, being bloated, being anxious as hell on stimulants, jabbing gear in yer ass (that bits optional) and general dedication, just wanting to get abs and biceps for the ladies is meaningless.

I think this is the root of the perceived problem. There are a bunch of guys here who live this lifestyle. Some of us choose a different lifestyle. I’m in the military.

I am subject to random urinalysis. I can get court martialed and discharged for taking “gear”. I am also required to maintain a certain body composition. “being fat, being bloated” is not a good thing and can also get me kicked out. Being able to run fast is something all military folks get graded on. Hugeness won’t help there. Everyone has different goals in the weightroom. That doesn’t make anyone more or less dedicated simply because they don’t share your goals.

Also, at age 36, I’m not interested in gaining a lot of weight, getting fat and having constantly sore joints. I don’t want to be that huge old fat guy limping around the gym bragging about squatting 600lbs “back in the day” who has a bad back and blown out knees. The metabolism only slows down. If I don’t get lean and stay lean now it will be almost impossible later. When I was in my 20’s I was all about getting huge, took all kinds of supplements, did all kinds of crazy lifts. Now I have a torn disk in my back and a bad shoulder to show for it.

Different goals, that’s all.

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Are you done bicthing? There are people who compete in the IFBB who are in the military. There are people who compete in the NPC, NABF and WNBF who are also military. We understand that people have different goals, but please quit complaining like your life or job is what is preventing you from building any muscle.

You stated before that 220lbs at your height would make you look ridiculous. No, it wouldn’t. I have seen people your height at that size and they were just beginning to look in a way that most would even consider “big” and they were in shape. You do a shit load of stereotyping. The “huge old fat guy limping around the gym”? Who is talking about “getting fat”? Are you just making shit up as you go?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
There are people who compete in the IFBB who are in the military. There are people who compete in the NPC, NABF and WNBF who are also military.
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I’m interested in this. Have you got any names of any of these folks? I’ve seen pics of Navy Lt Debra Williams, but nobody else. I’d like to see some pics of more of them.

Thanks.

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[quote]Patrick Williams wrote:
Professor X wrote:
There are people who compete in the IFBB who are in the military. There are people who compete in the NPC, NABF and WNBF who are also military.

I’m interested in this. Have you got any names of any of these folks? I’ve seen pics of Navy Lt Debra Williams, but nobody else. I’d like to see some pics of more of them.

Thanks.

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I’ll look for what I can when I get home tonight. I know David Henry is Air Force and Leo Ingram is a petty officer in the Navy. Both of those guys are IFBB and their pictures are in the “Favorite bodybuilding picture” thread, I believe (if they aren’t there, they need to be). There are others who aren’t well known that I know of personally who compete in the WNBF.

Rob Wilkins is a Master Sergeant in the USAF and he acts as the Special assistant to the IFBB. He is the liaison between the U.S. Armed Forces and the IFBB.

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William Owens is also an officer in the Air Force.

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More on Owens.
http://www.defendamerica.mil/profiles/oct2002/pr101602a.html

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Prof,

I have never seen anyone even remotely close to competitive size in the military. Yes, of the millions who serve there may be a few that have achieved that kind of size. That’s not my goal. Do my goals have to match yours? Putting on fat is part of bulking, right? Tell me if I’m wrong, but if I wanted to gain 30lbs of LBM, I’d have to gain a lot more than that in total weight. YOU might think 210lbs on a 5’7" frame looks good. I don’t. Why is that a problem for you? I prefer being lean and muscular year-round. Big deal. I know my body, I’ve been lifting a lot longer than you, and I know what my personal goals are (and they have changed of the years). You want to be big, and at 270lbs you are big. Good for you. I’m not criticizing you. We have different goals. I’m not stereotyping. Over the course of about 20 years of lifting, I’ve personally met a lot of guys who used to lift big and now have bad joints and other health problems. I also know a lot of guys who were serious runners who have destroyed their knees and hips over the years trying to improve their health. If I’m a big puss because I don’t want to look like Lee Priest, so be it. Don’t force your goals on others. This is all about personal opinion. Rest your sphincter.

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Anway, sorry about the rant, I just hate seeing kids waste their time. Go fuggin eat and come back when you weigh more than 200 lbs.

Regards,
mp[/quote]

you have to remember not everyone wants to be big.

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Learn how to read “little bigmike”, its in the post several ones above your genious reply to me calling you out. I will give you a hint, it was in reply to an idiotic remark you made to the Prof.

If you want to learn from us like you say, then you are going about it the wrong way.

A lot of people call you bigmike? Are you kidding me? These must be same eminem wannabies you despise. This thread started out ok and I had some sypathy for your bitch rant, since that this thread and you in particular have become quite annoying.

Thanks for the screen name explanation by the way. That was really hard to figure out.

[quote]bigmike88 wrote:
what the fuck are you talking about amsterdamn? whos starting war? chill the fuck out…its an online forum, no need to get all emotional…by the way i can choose whatever fucking screenname i want. alot of people call me ‘bigmike’ and i was born in 1988, so i put the two together…deal with it…

i am here trying to gain knowledge from older more experienced lifters, like yourself and prof, so get a grip…if it wasnt for T-Nation i wouldnt have been able to gain 24 lbs while goin up in body fat only a couple points in the past 3 months…obviously a sign saying im trying to get BIGGER, but that doesnt mean i want to have to turn sideways to get in a door …[/quote]

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I wonderered why he wasn’t hissy fitting in the curl thread anymore.