I was just wondering. Is it wrong to deadlift 275x1 while only being able to do a 95x1 goodmorning? It sounds really wierd, but I have that problem.
There’s no “wrong” or “right” necessarily. Everyone’s GM will be proportionately different from their deadlift and squat and for some people, there will be carryover, and for some there won’t be.
If you post a video of your form on both deadlift and good mornings it’ll give a better idea of what could use improvement.
But a lot of it depends on your form for good mornings, like if you arch or round the back, how strict you are with knee bend, etc. And it also would depend on your style of deadlift.
So the answer is…it depends. 
Get up some vids for a better idea.
-Matt
The question is, are you more concerned about your deadlift or GM going up? If you’re only concerned about your DL going up, then work on the GMs and see if they help. If not, find something better.
Is it wrong of me to drink my own urine? Maybe, but its sterile and I like the taste.
Moral of the story, neither of your lifts are strong, so keep on getting stronger.
IMHO GMs are a squat assistance exercise with the exception of chain suspended GMs. Just keep working at them though and see if they help YOUR dl.
jack
Is it wrong of me to drink my own urine? Maybe, but its sterile and I like the taste.
oh my god
i was laughing so hard i sharted. i was in the library. thank you.
Do most people do 1 Rep Max tests on good mornings? I could be wrong but always thought of those as an assistant exercise like jack said.
[quote]Matt McG wrote:
There’s no “wrong” or “right” necessarily. Everyone’s GM will be proportionately different from their deadlift and squat and for some people, there will be carryover, and for some there won’t be.
If you post a video of your form on both deadlift and good mornings it’ll give a better idea of what could use improvement.
But a lot of it depends on your form for good mornings, like if you arch or round the back, how strict you are with knee bend, etc. And it also would depend on your style of deadlift.
So the answer is…it depends.
Get up some vids for a better idea.
-Matt[/quote]
True, the last few times I’ve hurt my lower back it was with good mornings, particularly the suspended type for a heavy lift.
So I don’t do them and can deadlift higher than ever. I haven’t done a good morning for over two years, I think and now I’m deadlifting in the high 500s.
[quote]BFSWarrior wrote:
Do most people do 1 Rep Max tests on good mornings? I could be wrong but always thought of those as an assistant exercise like jack said. [/quote]
Lifters at Westside barbell often use Good Mornings as the ME lower exercise.
I wish I had a vidcam to post some vids. In any case, I want to increase my GM because I can barely support and stabilize a huge weight on my back during back squats. I could zercher squat 210x1, but I can only manage a 185x1 back squat. In essence, I want to increase my GM to increase my back squat.
It’s kinda weird because I can calf machine shrug 400x12 and rack pull 315x3, but once my hips are flexed (like in squats), my back loses its strength.
[quote]DoubleSidedTape wrote:
BFSWarrior wrote:
Do most people do 1 Rep Max tests on good mornings? I could be wrong but always thought of those as an assistant exercise like jack said.
Lifters at Westside barbell often use Good Mornings as the ME lower exercise.[/quote]
Yup. There’s someone at Westside who can GM 700.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
I could zercher squat 210x1, but I can only manage a 185x1 back squat. In essence, I want to increase my GM to increase my back squat.
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That’s kind of strange. I’ve never done a Zercher squat, but I find it A LOT harder to stabilize my lower back on a front squat than on a back squat.
[quote]rmexico wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
I could zercher squat 210x1, but I can only manage a 185x1 back squat. In essence, I want to increase my GM to increase my back squat.
That’s kind of strange. I’ve never done a Zercher squat, but I find it A LOT harder to stabilize my lower back on a front squat than on a back squat.[/quote]
Well, yeah. I can front squat less than I can back squat. My back has a problem with squatting with a high center of gravity.
[quote]jackreape wrote:
IMHO GMs are a squat assistance exercise with the exception of chain suspended GMs. Just keep working at them though and see if they help YOUR dl.
jack[/quote]
Are you inferring that suspended GM’s are more of a deadlift assistance? Just curious, because my training partner and I just started using these for ME.
sounds to me like you’ve got some issues to clean up with hamstring flexibility and getting your lower back tight
I would bet stretching your hamstrings by maintaining a good tight back and trying to touch your toes would help, a good way to do this while you’re working out would be doing stiff leg DL or RDL, which im betting you could use heavier weights then a GM because of balance and the general nature of the excersize.
RDL would be your best bet in my opinion. Since you are starting from the top, you can employ your good old stretch reflexes (much like the back squat) to use heavy weights and maintain a tight back, which will help your back squats not to mention you’ll be stretching your hamstrings to oppose the back tightness
[quote]lbh110 wrote:
sounds to me like you’ve got some issues to clean up with hamstring flexibility and getting your lower back tight
I would bet stretching your hamstrings by maintaining a good tight back and trying to touch your toes would help, a good way to do this while you’re working out would be doing stiff leg DL or RDL, which im betting you could use heavier weights then a GM because of balance and the general nature of the excersize.
RDL would be your best bet in my opinion. Since you are starting from the top, you can employ your good old stretch reflexes (much like the back squat) to use heavy weights and maintain a tight back, which will help your back squats not to mention you’ll be stretching your hamstrings to oppose the back tightness[/quote]
Yeah, I think my hammies are a bit tight and weak as well. RDLs would be a good idea, but I have another problem, which is being weak off the floor during deadlifts, and RDLs wouldn’t help. RDLs also won’t teach me to handle weight on my back.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
I wish I had a vidcam to post some vids. In any case, I want to increase my GM because I can barely support and stabilize a huge weight on my back during back squats. I could zercher squat 210x1, but I can only manage a 185x1 back squat. In essence, I want to increase my GM to increase my back squat.
It’s kinda weird because I can calf machine shrug 400x12 and rack pull 315x3, but once my hips are flexed (like in squats), my back loses its strength.[/quote]
Zercher squat are rarely done below parallel just because your arms get in your own way, which could explain the difference in poundages.
Either way, if you’re only squatting 185, everything is a weakpoint and needs to be brought up.
You don’t need as many “special exercises” as you may think…just stick to squatting, vary the reps and sets and get stronger.
-Matt
Good advice, squat…bench…deadlift, rest, repeat.
Rippetoe’s Starting Strength says to do Good-Mornings with 35% of your Max Squat for 8-10 reps. He also says that if 35% of your Max Squat is 95lbs or less, there’s no reason to do Good-Mornings. While Some people may disagree with the whole 35% thing, I don’t think anyone would disagree with the fact that you should not be doing Good-Mornings with anything less than 135 and that 135 should be pretty easy.
If the bar doesn’t pass your toes, it’s not a good morning. It’s just a really bad squat.
You should do your Good Mornings with form that mimics your deadlift. If you Deadlift Sumo, most of your Good-Mornings will be done with a squat stance. If you Deadlift conventional, most of your Good-Mornings will be done with the stance that you do Deadlifts and Cleans from.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Yeah, I think my hammies are a bit tight and weak as well. RDLs would be a good idea, but I have another problem, which is being weak off the floor during deadlifts, and RDLs wouldn’t help. RDLs also won’t teach me to handle weight on my back.[/quote]
how are you weak off the floor? do your hips shoot up and your chest does not rise? If so we’re looking at weak hamstrings/glutes, in which case i would again argue for RDLs… or does your lower back round?
Try getting into position by keeping your back tight from the top and stretch the hammies to get to the bar, and be sure to ‘cue’ the lats to pull all of the back tight and keep the bar close to your shins.
as far as keeping the weight on your back, that is probably just a matter of time, based on your activity on these boards im sure you’ll get there