Deadlifting for Multiple Reps?

[Aragorn]

[quote]huey.ot wrote:
SWR-1240 wrote:
Thereal77 wrote:
Im 17 and in highschool i greatly raised my deadlift by not letting go i did the lift lower thing. I actually set a school record of 675 pounds

I remember back when I was in high school. All of my lifts were more than what I could really do too.

As much as I hate to admit this, I think I lied about my lifts when I was a kid. I think when I was 15 or 16, I said shit like I could bench 185 when I think 135 was a battle.[/quote]

I think we all did. Except me, I didn’t lift at all back then so I never thought about it. I was reading or video gaming :).

[J_W]

I find it mind boggling how huey.ot talks down to people on this forum. I notice how he likes to tell people to “grow up.”

Perhaps the person who flips out and insults people every time they disagree with him is the one who needs to grow up…

Oh well, I guess if you already know everything there is to know you don’t have to consider the opinions of others.

One good thing that has come from this discussion: It obviously doesn’t matter if you maintain your grip or reset it. The deadlift is such an awesome lift, you will benefit either way.

[jp_dubya]

[quote]J.W. wrote:
I find it mind boggling how huey.ot talks down to people on this forum. I notice how he likes to tell people to “grow up.”

Perhaps the person who flips out and insults people every time they disagree with him is the one who needs to grow up…

Oh well, I guess if you already know everything there is to know you don’t have to consider the opinions of others.

One good thing that has come from this discussion: It obviously doesn’t matter if you maintain your grip or reset it. The deadlift is such an awesome lift, you will benefit either way.[/quote]

What it clearly demonstrates is people take a side in an argument that is subjective. They then try to rally as many people into their camp as possible. Some use methods like belittling other people instead of ideas. Hell I get sucked in here at times too.

what I have to learn to remember is to preface things with “…it has been my experience that” or “what you may consider”. Easier to pull people into your camp then push them out of theirs and into another.

On heavy sets I prefer to reset and generate more force, create more tension throughout the entire set. I can’t see as much tension being created on the 5th or 6th rep of no rest set than on the 5th or 6 rep of a set when resetting after each rep. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, though.

[Dirty_Tiger]

Are multiple reps mandatory for bootybuilding?

Could you build mass/hypertrophy by doing singles?

I’m talking many single per workout 15-25, with short rest periods.

[huey_ot]

[quote]J.W. wrote:
I find it mind boggling how huey.ot talks down to people on this forum. I notice how he likes to tell people to “grow up.”

Perhaps the person who flips out and insults people every time they disagree with him is the one who needs to grow up…

Oh well, I guess if you already know everything there is to know you don’t have to consider the opinions of others.

One good thing that has come from this discussion: It obviously doesn’t matter if you maintain your grip or reset it. The deadlift is such an awesome lift, you will benefit either way.[/quote]

Who’s flipping out? I’m just taking issue with the OP for quoting Dave Tate out of context. Tate’s reasons for letting go of the bar are simply to trach proper form. I stated that if your form isn’t being compromised through the performance of several reps, then there’s no need to rest yourself.

The same logic that’s being quoted from Dave Tate can be said for ANY movement? “Only lift one rep when benching, then rack it and rest, that’ll teach you proper competitions technique”, etc.

This is the case of some noob trying to dis me by quoting a T-Nation author that, on face value, seems to contradict my statement. But it doesn’t. I’m here to contribute and share things I’ve learned over time, and when I get inexperienced little fucks trying to talk down to me in a bullshit attempt to ‘prove me wrong’, well, that’s annoying. And that lowers the quality of discussion.

I’m out.

[dez6485]

[quote]huey.ot wrote:
brushga wrote:
The only time I’ve ever hurt myself deadlifting has been when I did multiple reps without resetting. I actually hate resetting because of the added time it takes to finish a set, but I feel I have to do it to maintain proper form.

This reinforces what I’m trying to get at, unless your form is being compromised by not resetting, it makes zero sense to intentionally reset yourself and lose concentration and focus.

If you’re pulling and the bars slipping, or you feel like you didn’t set up properly, by all means don’t do another rep without resetting yourself.

I am not sure why Tate recommended that, by the same token you could say the same thing about squats and bench presses… in competition you only do one rep, so why ever do more than one rep? Again, I think his advice is oriented towards newbs. Also, deadlifting is just one of those exercises that is difficult to maintain good form on with high percentages at multiple reps when comparing to benching and squatting. So I see where he’s coming from.[/quote]

huey-

im not arguing with you, so dont even start with me.

but, youve ignored something very important with regards to deads vs. bench and squat. both of them have the eccentric portion before the concentric. the deadlift is very different in that regard and as such, should not be compared to the bench and squat where the muscles are basically primed to explode up from the lowering phase.

as far as whether or not to let go of the bar, id tend to say thats individual, and for some, doesnt really matter. ive done both personally. i do find that if i let go of the bar and completely stand up, i end up taking probably more time than i want between reps. if i hold onto the bar between reps (3-5 rep sets), i will usually keep my hips/butt high before going down to explode back up.

meaning, more important than whether or not you let go of the bar, i think sitting in the bottom position between reps is a huge mistake, good way to hurt something and a good way to lose power.

[MetalMikeXVI]

[quote]huey.ot wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
In the case of Dave Tate vs. Internet Guru, I vote Tate. You said there was no reason at all to let go between reps except for grip. Tate was quoted describing the benefits of regripping to practice for competition. That is a different reason.

You’re misquoting me. I specifically said that there’s no reason to let go of the bar if your technique hasn’t been compromised by the previous repetition.
[/quote]

"It makes absolutely no sense to let go of the bar in between repetitions, no matter what your goals are.

Unless the bar is slipping in your hands due to poor grip strength or slippery hands, there is absolutely no reason to waste time letting go and then regripping"

Word.

[huey_ot]

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
huey.ot wrote:
brushga wrote:
The only time I’ve ever hurt myself deadlifting has been when I did multiple reps without resetting. I actually hate resetting because of the added time it takes to finish a set, but I feel I have to do it to maintain proper form.

This reinforces what I’m trying to get at, unless your form is being compromised by not resetting, it makes zero sense to intentionally reset yourself and lose concentration and focus.

If you’re pulling and the bars slipping, or you feel like you didn’t set up properly, by all means don’t do another rep without resetting yourself.

I am not sure why Tate recommended that, by the same token you could say the same thing about squats and bench presses… in competition you only do one rep, so why ever do more than one rep? Again, I think his advice is oriented towards newbs. Also, deadlifting is just one of those exercises that is difficult to maintain good form on with high percentages at multiple reps when comparing to benching and squatting. So I see where he’s coming from.

huey-

im not arguing with you, so dont even start with me.

but, youve ignored something very important with regards to deads vs. bench and squat. both of them have the eccentric portion before the concentric. the deadlift is very different in that regard and as such, should not be compared to the bench and squat where the muscles are basically primed to explode up from the lowering phase.

as far as whether or not to let go of the bar, id tend to say thats individual, and for some, doesnt really matter. ive done both personally. i do find that if i let go of the bar and completely stand up, i end up taking probably more time than i want between reps. if i hold onto the bar between reps (3-5 rep sets), i will usually keep my hips/butt high before going down to explode back up.

meaning, more important than whether or not you let go of the bar, i think sitting in the bottom position between reps is a huge mistake, good way to hurt something and a good way to lose power.[/quote]

I won’t disagree with any of that. And the way I look at deadlifting, you want to keep your butt as high as possible, while maintaining proper posture, before lifting the bar an inch. You’ll never catch me sitting low in between reps.

After reflecting on this thread, though, I think it’d be cool to let go of the bar in between repetitions and reset, so I think this thread may have converted me!