Are you telling us that you peform deadlift workouts in that mega-high range of repetitions (15-20)?
I used to perform them this way as a method of bulletproofing, or mashing a weak point in the lift into submission. I did bottom end deadlifts with the safety pins in the power rack at my stopping point. Also great if you use isometric pulls for the last 2 or 3. I think they worked great. Got the idea from an elitefts article. I don’t usually do them anymore, but I’ll still throw them in from time to time.
Don’t diss it till you try it.[/quote]\
Cool. But that is a partial-range deadlift. Would you perform full-range deadlifts in the 15-20 rep-range?
Doesn’t seem like a good idea. I find it hard to believe that someone could be so well-conditioned throughout all muscle involved in the deadlift to be able to perform 15-20 reps with good form. But then again, nothing’s impossible.
Are you telling us that you peform deadlift workouts in that mega-high range of repetitions (15-20)?
I used to perform them this way as a method of bulletproofing, or mashing a weak point in the lift into submission. I did bottom end deadlifts with the safety pins in the power rack at my stopping point. Also great if you use isometric pulls for the last 2 or 3. I think they worked great. Got the idea from an elitefts article. I don’t usually do them anymore, but I’ll still throw them in from time to time.
Don’t diss it till you try it.\
Cool. But that is a partial-range deadlift. Would you perform full-range deadlifts in the 15-20 rep-range?
Doesn’t seem like a good idea. I find it hard to believe that someone could be so well-conditioned throughout all muscle involved in the deadlift to be able to perform 15-20 reps with good form. But then again, nothing’s impossible.
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Most of my reps are less than 5 but at times do go for 20 rep sets, they are real ball busters. It’s like 20 rep squats, in fact i find them harder mentally at times that my 5 reps or less sessions. At the end of the 20 reps I am finished sometimes.
I do agree with you it is hard to keep your form as you are grinding past your 13th rep but again this higher rep training pushs you both physically and mentally to the edge, try it and see how you go.
my favorite way to do deadlifts is in the 5x5 manner…use one lighter set to warm up, than load the bar with what would usually be your 3 rep max…do the first rep, set the bar down, stay down - reset your grip and take a couple deep breaths, than do the next rep(similar to breathing squats)…you do this for five sets and your goal is to get 5 reps in each…
…if you reached your goal, next workout you slightly add more weight and do the same thing…if you didn’t, than you try to get at least one more rep 'til you reach 5x5…
I train with those damned hex plates. So I just barely let one of the “ends” of the plate touch the ground, and I’m right back up. If I lead the weight go dead, I’d have to readjust the bar, etc.
[quote]Thereal77 wrote:
Im 17 and in highschool i greatly raised my deadlift by not letting go i did the lift lower thing. I actually set a school record of 675 pounds[/quote]
I remember back when I was in high school. All of my lifts were more than what I could really do too.
[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Thereal77 wrote:
Im 17 and in highschool i greatly raised my deadlift by not letting go i did the lift lower thing. I actually set a school record of 675 pounds
I remember back when I was in high school. All of my lifts were more than what I could really do too. ;)[/quote]
As much as I hate to admit this, I think I lied about my lifts when I was a kid. I think when I was 15 or 16, I said shit like I could bench 185 when I think 135 was a battle.
On DE days I perform snatch-grip deadlifts with continuous reps, usually about 60% of my 1RM. This is probably the approach you’ll use for a bodybuilding physique. I can’t see the need to reset your stance with this kind of weight. It would probably expend more energy doing so since you’re going to be doing more than 8 repetitions (unless your breaks between reps are long).
On ME days (typically 3-4 rep sets after testing my 1RM) I perform alternated-grip deadlifts and resetting after each rep. I’ve found that since I’ve done this I can usually crank out another rep. You do this style enough and you can grip and rip the same style as the first rep without problems.
I think that not letting go is best for bodybuilding purposes. After the first rep, I lower the weight until the plates clank, and then lift again. I’m not letting the weight rest, but I’m not bouncing it either.
My deadlift routine looks like this:
set 1- warm up with 1 plate
set 2- warm up with 2 plates
set 3- warm up with 3 plates
set 4- working weight for 3 reps
set 5- same weight as set 5 for 2 or 3 reps
set 6- reduce weight for 1 set of 5 reps
I’ve pretty much stuck to this for about a year and a half, and have added some serious mass. I use sumo stance, so I saw a lot of mass appear in my hams, ass, and all over my back.
My dead also went from 135 to 430 (and still rising).
[quote]huey.ot wrote:
As much as I respect Dave Tate, there are countless champions out there who lift with multiple reps and do NOT let go of the bar and stand up in between reps. You can’t prove me wrong by simply quoting a T-Nation author.
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Actually, I already have, because you said there was no reason to let go of the bar between reps. Read the first paragraph of the Tate quote, and THAT was not for newbies.
But Huey, hey, if you prefer to hold onto the bar for all of your reps, that’s cool. But you are trying to come across as an expert on deadlifting form when you clearly still have a lot to learn yourself.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I train with those damned hex plates. So I just barely let one of the “ends” of the plate touch the ground, and I’m right back up. If I lead the weight go dead, I’d have to readjust the bar, etc.[/quote]
I really hate those plates. It’s like the manfacturers thought they were doing us lifters a favor by making sure that we wouldn’t have to worry about loaded barbells rolling away from us. Thankfully my gym doesn’t have that.
[quote]brushga wrote:
The only time I’ve ever hurt myself deadlifting has been when I did multiple reps without resetting. I actually hate resetting because of the added time it takes to finish a set, but I feel I have to do it to maintain proper form.[/quote]
Actually, I already have, because you said there was no reason to let go of the bar between reps. Read the first paragraph of the Tate quote, and THAT was not for newbies.
But Huey, hey, if you prefer to hold onto the bar for all of your reps, that’s cool. But you are trying to come across as an expert on deadlifting form when you clearly still have a lot to learn yourself.[/quote]
Well, Dave Tate’s reasoning for letting go of the bar is clearly stated: He believes that letting go of the bar will teach lifters proper technique and get them accustomed to competition lifting.
Guess what? You don’t need to let go of the bar to know how to deadlift properly. So it doesn’t matter what you quoted from Dave Tate, if your technique is good and your grip and positioning is staying proper after lowering the weight, then there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO LET GO OF THE BAR.
Do you seriously intend to argue this point?
Dave Tate says: let go of the bar in between reps, it’ll teach you proper technique.
Me (and thousands of other lifters): hold onto the bar and only readjust if the bar has slipped in your hands or you need to change your set-up.
Bottom line: I’m not contradicting Dave Tate. If your form is good, you don’t need to let go to reset yourself.
What do you want me to do? Link you to Youtube videos showing elite lifters training with multiple reps and not letting go? Grow up.
In the case of Dave Tate vs. Internet Guru, I vote Tate. You said there was no reason at all to let go between reps except for grip. Tate was quoted describing the benefits of regripping to practice for competition. That is a different reason.
[quote]MetalMikeXVI wrote:
In the case of Dave Tate vs. Internet Guru, I vote Tate. You said there was no reason at all to let go between reps except for grip. Tate was quoted describing the benefits of regripping to practice for competition. That is a different reason.[/quote]
You’re misquoting me. I specifically said that there’s no reason to let go of the bar if your technique hasn’t been compromised by the previous repetition.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I train with those damned hex plates. So I just barely let one of the “ends” of the plate touch the ground, and I’m right back up. If I lead the weight go dead, I’d have to readjust the bar, etc.[/quote]
[quote]huey.ot wrote:
MetalMikeXVI wrote:
You’re misquoting me. I specifically said that there’s no reason to let go of the bar if your technique hasn’t been compromised by the previous repetition.
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Any specific reason or extra benefit to holding onto the bar?
This discussion is mainly a list of personal preferences, isn’t it?
Are you telling us that you peform deadlift workouts in that mega-high range of repetitions (15-20)?
I used to perform them this way as a method of bulletproofing, or mashing a weak point in the lift into submission. I did bottom end deadlifts with the safety pins in the power rack at my stopping point. Also great if you use isometric pulls for the last 2 or 3. I think they worked great. Got the idea from an elitefts article. I don’t usually do them anymore, but I’ll still throw them in from time to time.
Don’t diss it till you try it.\
Cool. But that is a partial-range deadlift. Would you perform full-range deadlifts in the 15-20 rep-range?
Doesn’t seem like a good idea. I find it hard to believe that someone could be so well-conditioned throughout all muscle involved in the deadlift to be able to perform 15-20 reps with good form. But then again, nothing’s impossible.
Most of my reps are less than 5 but at times do go for 20 rep sets, they are real ball busters. It’s like 20 rep squats, in fact i find them harder mentally at times that my 5 reps or less sessions. At the end of the 20 reps I am finished sometimes.
I do agree with you it is hard to keep your form as you are grinding past your 13th rep but again this higher rep training pushs you both physically and mentally to the edge, try it and see how you go.
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Totally agree aussie. I was just remembering the first time I tried them. The first thought I had after “The Pain!! The Pain!!” Was “man, that was harder than my 20 rep squat set”. I was done.
Oh, and for the record, I’ve done both partial and full deadlifts this way. Nothing quite like it, for better or worse.
