[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
I hate when people drop the weight, they look like morons. Have some control over the weight. Pretend like there are eggs hanging from the bar from a string with a half inch of slack and you don’t want to break them. If you can’t lower it, you can’t lift it. Place it on the ground so gently that you can’t hear it. That’s more respectable than slamming it.[/quote]
You must be a trainer at a commercial gym.
I agree that you shouldn’t be dropping it, but putting it down so silently that “you can’t hear it” is just not feasible with heavy weight.
[quote]matias95 wrote:
Ok so I have a problem here.
I lift in a commercial gym, and when deadlifting the employees there get pissed, because of the noise when I put the bar back to the floor. They tell me if I don’t have a very good reason to not lower the bar gently without noises, I have to do so or I get banned.
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IT CAN FUCKING INJURE YOU. There’s their goddamn reason. Nothing pisses me off worse than this in the gym. These ignorant gym workers telling people to lower their deadlifts so slowly as to not make any noise in their library… oh I mean gym. Guess what? THAT’S FUCKING DANGEROUS! Safety is supposed to be their prime directive. You control the bar on the way down, but you don’t do a goddamn negative with the weight you just pulled unless you want to get injured. See what they say to that.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
I hate when people drop the weight, they look like morons. Have some control over the weight. Pretend like there are eggs hanging from the bar from a string with a half inch of slack and you don’t want to break them. If you can’t lower it, you can’t lift it. Place it on the ground so gently that you can’t hear it. That’s more respectable than slamming it.[/quote]
You must be a trainer at a commercial gym.
I agree that you shouldn’t be dropping it, but putting it down so silently that “you can’t hear it” is just not feasible with heavy weight.[/quote]
I am a trainer at a commercial gym, but not your typical one. I have thought this since long before I became a trainer.
This is a powerlifting forum. So it’s safe to assume that everyone is lifting to max at some point and many here compete as well. Consequently, attempting to return the weight to the floor silently is silly. I agree that dropping the weight is unnecessary. But a “controlled drop” (hands contacting and guiding the bar without actually doing the eccentric portion of the lift) makes a hell of a lot of sense AND a hell of a lot of noise. I do not understand why gyms would have a problem with the noise of weights. Personally, I love the sound.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
I hate when people drop the weight, they look like morons. Have some control over the weight. Pretend like there are eggs hanging from the bar from a string with a half inch of slack and you don’t want to break them. If you can’t lower it, you can’t lift it. Place it on the ground so gently that you can’t hear it. That’s more respectable than slamming it.[/quote]
You must be a trainer at a commercial gym.
I agree that you shouldn’t be dropping it, but putting it down so silently that “you can’t hear it” is just not feasible with heavy weight.[/quote]
I am a trainer at a commercial gym, but not your typical one. I have thought this since long before I became a trainer.[/quote]
Telling people to lower a heavy weight that slowly WILL get them injured.
A deadlift is not like other lifts. You are challenged differently in the eccentric vs. concentric phases. If the weight is light enough to lower THAT slowly, it is not heavy enough to be challenging on the concentric. Simply put, if you pick a weight that is light enough to lower “without a sound”, it will not be heavy enough to cause any adaptations or ellicit any training response in the body.
Maybe for a rank beginner, but not for anyone deadlifting 400+ lbs.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
I hate when people drop the weight, they look like morons. Have some control over the weight. Pretend like there are eggs hanging from the bar from a string with a half inch of slack and you don’t want to break them. If you can’t lower it, you can’t lift it. Place it on the ground so gently that you can’t hear it. That’s more respectable than slamming it.[/quote]
You must be a trainer at a commercial gym.
I agree that you shouldn’t be dropping it, but putting it down so silently that “you can’t hear it” is just not feasible with heavy weight.[/quote]
I am a trainer at a commercial gym, but not your typical one. I have thought this since long before I became a trainer.[/quote]
If I someone deadlift slike eggs are hanging from the bar and you don’t want to break them…I’d laugh at them hysterically. It would also to be safe to do this because they’re more than likely not very strong.
You can always lower a heavier weight than you can lift concentrically. I know just about everyone disagrees with the way I do it, but I still say it’s better. After practicing it this way for a long time, the eccentric has become easier. People just focus more on the concentric portion of a deadlift, so they are naturally better at it.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
You can always lower a heavier weight than you can lift concentrically. I know just about everyone disagrees with the way I do it, but I still say it’s better. After practicing it this way for a long time, the eccentric has become easier. People just focus more on the concentric portion of a deadlift, so they are naturally better at it.[/quote]
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
You can always lower a heavier weight than you can lift concentrically. I know just about everyone disagrees with the way I do it, but I still say it’s better. After practicing it this way for a long time, the eccentric has become easier. People just focus more on the concentric portion of a deadlift, so they are naturally better at it.[/quote]
I 110% in every way disagree with what you are advising. You probably don’t care and I am not looking for a arguement but, just no. So we will agree to disagree I suppose.
Lowering “slowly” is not dangerous. At least, no more than picking it up. The only issue there is where you put it down without keeping the bar close to your body and a tight lower back. In other words, lowering it like you lifted it.
Notice how benny lowers the weight here with 460kg. He said in an interview later that he does that coz he trains in an upstairs gym and the lower floor doesn’t like the crashing and banging.
Dat said, tell the gym that you are taking your money elsewhere. Go find a proper gym. They will probably charge less as well as have better gear.
[quote]Triceptaurus wrote:
Lowering “slowly” is not dangerous. At least, no more than picking it up. The only issue there is where you put it down without keeping the bar close to your body and a tight lower back. In other words, lowering it like you lifted it.
Notice how benny lowers the weight here with 460kg. He said in an interview later that he does that coz he trains in an upstairs gym and the lower floor doesn’t like the crashing and banging.
Dat said, tell the gym that you are taking your money elsewhere. Go find a proper gym. They will probably charge less as well as have better gear.
There is a big difference between doing what Benedict did in that video as opposed to lowering so slow “you don’t make a sound” or “not break an egg”
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
You can always lower a heavier weight than you can lift concentrically. I know just about everyone disagrees with the way I do it, but I still say it’s better. After practicing it this way for a long time, the eccentric has become easier. People just focus more on the concentric portion of a deadlift, so they are naturally better at it.[/quote]
How much do you deadlift?[/quote]
I don’t train for strength, but I’ve done 385 raw at 160 and 365 raw at 155. Perfect form, placed it on the ground gently. I’m 170 now and more muscular all over, but I’m not as strong on it. I’ve just been lifting in the high 200’s lately, although I don’t pull from the floor much these days. Usually I do mid 300’s to low 400’s from above the knee, good for lats.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
You can always lower a heavier weight than you can lift concentrically. I know just about everyone disagrees with the way I do it, but I still say it’s better. After practicing it this way for a long time, the eccentric has become easier. People just focus more on the concentric portion of a deadlift, so they are naturally better at it.[/quote]
How much do you deadlift?[/quote]
I don’t train for strength, but I’ve done 385 raw at 160 and 365 raw at 155. Perfect form, placed it on the ground gently. I’m 170 now and more muscular all over, but I’m not as strong on it. I’ve just been lifting in the high 200’s lately, although I don’t pull from the floor much these days. Usually I do mid 300’s to low 400’s from above the knee, good for lats.[/quote]
I do not feel you are in a good position to give advice on deadlifting.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
My advice on deadlifting goes as far as being injury free, building the hamstrings, and building the back.[/quote]
This is the powerlifting forum. The concern with training the deadlift here is building the deadlift, and the approach you have utilized is not ideal for that situation.
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
My advice on deadlifting goes as far as being injury free, building the hamstrings, and building the back.[/quote]
This is the powerlifting forum. The concern with training the deadlift here is building the deadlift, and the approach you have utilized is not ideal for that situation.[/quote]
Agreed. Please take your advice regarding deadlifting elsewhere.