[quote]HOV wrote:
Jesse Snadden wrote:
I got more video’s in my profile if you liked that one.
I checked out all the videos in your profile. I was impressed until I put a few things together and realized you’re 23 years old, then I was completely amazed.
You have achived a level of success already in your chosen endeavors that many never achieve in a lifetime. Hats off to you, amigo.
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Thank you, but I still have a long ways to go, I’m not at Worlds Strongest Man yet.
I was just reading this thread and have what may be considered a stupid question (although I hope not).
So many people talk about their body structure not being good for squats or ATG squats.
What do you consider to be bad body structure for squats?
Errr…sorry…I mean in addition to what has already been posted.
Sorry…brainfart moment…
I’m in a similar boat. 6’3". Very long legs. I also have weird hamstrings that wrap around the side of my knees, so when I go below parallel the tendon flicks over a bony ridge. Needless to say, this feels very bad with 120kgs on my back.
So I still squat, I just modify the technique so it feels safe to me. I come as low as I can before the tendon flicks, then I push through my heels to come up. I will never be able to go ATG, but I still reap some of the benefits.
I also extensively use lunges, leg press, deadlifts and romanian deadlifts.
So my advice is modify the exercise to you. It doesn’t matter if your technique is not textbook, if the load is on you muscles not your joints and you feel safe with a somewhat long ROM, then it’s a good exercise for you.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
I was just reading this thread and have what may be considered a stupid question (although I hope not).
So many people talk about their body structure not being good for squats or ATG squats.
What do you consider to be bad body structure for squats?
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TALL!
ECTO!
long legs and torso, long arm types
probably 5’10" and up is not a squatters body.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
I was just reading this thread and have what may be considered a stupid question (although I hope not).
So many people talk about their body structure not being good for squats or ATG squats.
What do you consider to be bad body structure for squats?
TALL!
ECTO!
long legs and torso, long arm types
probably 5’10" and up is not a squatters body.
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I disagree about that, if your taller, you can improve your leverages tremendously by gaining weight. I am 6’1 myself and I’ve done 725 without a suit.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
TALL!
ECTO!
long legs and torso, long arm types
probably 5’10" and up is not a squatters body.
We’re not talking levereges… that’s obvious, taller people have more leverege. I’m 6’
We’re talking damage and injury… why do you think you and I are giving up squats?
I believe this is on the money.
I’ll be back with the reasons why from the worlds most famous trainer “Vince Gironda”… as soon as i find some of his quotes.
I’ll edit in a bit.
Damn near every SHW PL I can think of who squats big is over 6’. Absolutely over 5’10.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
I was just reading this thread and have what may be considered a stupid question (although I hope not).
So many people talk about their body structure not being good for squats or ATG squats.
What do you consider to be bad body structure for squats?
TALL!
ECTO!
long legs and torso, long arm types
probably 5’10" and up is not a squatters body.
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Right on the money.
[quote]Jesse Snadden wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
I was just reading this thread and have what may be considered a stupid question (although I hope not).
So many people talk about their body structure not being good for squats or ATG squats.
What do you consider to be bad body structure for squats?
TALL!
ECTO!
long legs and torso, long arm types
probably 5’10" and up is not a squatters body.
I disagree about that, if your taller, you can improve your leverages tremendously by gaining weight. I am 6’1 myself and I’ve done 725 without a suit.[/quote]
this “squatting friendly structure” involved a naturally small waist and hip structure, a relatively long torso, and short legs. Gironda believed that the exercise was thus okay for them.
I guess shorter guys have a longer torso and short legs. I figured they had both short torso and legs. I was wrong about the torso thing.
Anyways long legs = big total… also big injury and difficult lift
Long legs are not squatter friendly. I believe Arnold & Dorian both talked about their long legs and how the squat wasn’t a particularly good exercise for them. Arnold had trouble developing his quads and Dorian preferred the leg press after several years of squatting. I myself prefer deadlifts for legs and I’ve been squating forever.
There you have it. Three professionals not diggin’ squats because of height and long legs… add me to that list.
What?!?
I didn’t understand a word you just said, boy.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
this “squatting friendly structure” involved a naturally small waist and hip structure, a relatively long torso, and short legs. Gironda believed that the exercise was thus okay for them.
I guess shorter guys have a longer torso and short legs. I figured they had both short torso and legs. I was wrong about the torso thing.
Anyways long legs = big total… also big injury and difficult lift
Long legs are not squatter friendly. I believe Arnold & Dorian both talked about their long legs and how the squat wasn’t a particularly good exercise for them. Arnold had trouble developing his quads and Dorian preferred the leg press after several years of squatting. I myself prefer deadlifts for legs and I’ve been squating forever.
There you have it. Three professionals not diggin’ squats because of height and long legs… add me to that list.[/quote]
I guess I should exit the Building a Better Body forum as you are using Gironda for your example.
We are speaking different languages.
Carry on.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
What?!?
I didn’t understand a word you just said, boy.
Go heavy fool wrote:
this “squatting friendly structure” involved a naturally small waist and hip structure, a relatively long torso, and short legs. Gironda believed that the exercise was thus okay for them.
I guess shorter guys have a longer torso and short legs. I figured they had both short torso and legs. I was wrong about the torso thing.
Anyways long legs = big total… also big injury and difficult lift
Long legs are not squatter friendly. I believe Arnold & Dorian both talked about their long legs and how the squat wasn’t a particularly good exercise for them. Arnold had trouble developing his quads and Dorian preferred the leg press after several years of squatting. I myself prefer deadlifts for legs and I’ve been squating forever.
There you have it. Three professionals not diggin’ squats because of height and long legs… add me to that list.
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Boy?
Does my arm look like it belongs to a boy. Post a pic of your arm up there and if yours is bigger than mine… you can call me whatever you want. until then… shut the fuck up. this is gonna get get ugly and i don’t argue with trolls. whatever you say is fine by me. I was doing doing 545lb squats today… what were you doing? I think I know my own physique and whether or not squats are a good exercise from me. If you don’t like Gironda’s or CT’s training… just stop posting, I’m not responding to an idiot troll with no physique.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
What?!?
I didn’t understand a word you just said, boy.
Go heavy fool wrote:
this “squatting friendly structure” involved a naturally small waist and hip structure, a relatively long torso, and short legs. Gironda believed that the exercise was thus okay for them.
I guess shorter guys have a longer torso and short legs. I figured they had both short torso and legs. I was wrong about the torso thing.
Anyways long legs = big total… also big injury and difficult lift
Long legs are not squatter friendly. I believe Arnold & Dorian both talked about their long legs and how the squat wasn’t a particularly good exercise for them. Arnold had trouble developing his quads and Dorian preferred the leg press after several years of squatting. I myself prefer deadlifts for legs and I’ve been squating forever.
There you have it. Three professionals not diggin’ squats because of height and long legs… add me to that list.
[/quote] You’re a 5’7" midget and trying to talk like you know something about long legged squatting. Go away! before I get anygry and spank your bottom blue little boy. Excuse me, Mr. 5’7" MAN!
I don’t really do traditional barbell back squats due to a short torso and long legs and I don’t think it has negatively impacted me at all. I am satisfied with my leg development and carryover to my chosen sport despite the extent of my back squatting being one 10 RM day where I worked up to 185 x 10 having never seriously done the movement before. My favorite leg exercises are deadlifts, Bulgarian squats, and Zercher Squats off pins, where I have done 300 x 3.
Oh brother. Another internet warrior.
This site is going downhill fast.
It’s all yours, toughguy.
Nice work there Jesse, hope you keep finding time to post and fill us in on your WSM journey.
With regards to a substitute for deadlifts and squats, I’d advise doing some heavy pull throughs. It will fry the hamstrings and hit the lower back and keep it burning for days. Read a lot about it on Dave Tate’s site.
Very similar to good mornings only the load isn’t on your back, it’s between your legs.
For squats, I’d advise checking out Ironmind’s site and picking up their super squats hip belt that takes up to 3500 pounds.
You can be doing hip squats off some blocks with weights between your legs. Take a wide stance. You can train your legs and hips, but there’s no pressure on your back.
A lot of IM’s material have strongmen using the super squats hip belt in their training. I use it and as they say, ‘it’s very humbling’.
From their site:
Anyone who’s ever squatted can tell you that the lift is hard on your back. Of course, it’s all that back involvement that is part of the reason why squats are such a great lift for building size and strength. On the other hand, there are people who because of their back–whether it’s their spine or their lower back–simply cannot squat, and even for those who can, there are times when they would just like a change. But how do you reap the benefits of squats if you can’t do them?
Enter the hip belt squat, with zero back involvement because the load is supported not on your shoulders, but on your hips. Because of this shift in support and because of their dramatic effect on the quads, hip belt squats are sometimes called leg squats and IRONMANs Steve Holman dubbed them the “Quad Torch.” Clip the weight in front and back while straddling a barbell, and you’ll find the movement particularly humbling; clip in the weight just in the front, and the groove is more like a back squat, but still for the legs only–no lumbar pain, no spinal load.
The SUPER SQUATS Hip Belt is also the answer for anyone looking for an extremely safe squatting system (the weight is always under you); in addition, you can use the belt for weighted chins and dips, as well as for a variety of calf exercises. And for powerlifters or all-rounders who are interested in hip lifts, there’s no need to worry about whether this belt is strong enough–it holds 3,500 pounds with ease! These belts are adjustable within about a six-inch range, so please include your waist size so we can give you the best-fitting belt. Comes with a pair of Daisy Chains and two large carabiners. (Bar not included.)
Two people have mentioned hip squats.
I have not tried them but if you can perform a quad dominant deadlift, what is the point? Just asking!
I agree. My quad dominant deadlift is just to simply pick the bar up behind your feet instead of in front and push with your legs. That exercise is almost all quads. I call them Rear Deadlifts, I’m not sure what others would call them.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
What?!?
I didn’t understand a word you just said, boy.
Go heavy fool wrote:
this “squatting friendly structure” involved a naturally small waist and hip structure, a relatively long torso, and short legs. Gironda believed that the exercise was thus okay for them.
I guess shorter guys have a longer torso and short legs. I figured they had both short torso and legs. I was wrong about the torso thing.
Anyways long legs = big total… also big injury and difficult lift
Long legs are not squatter friendly. I believe Arnold & Dorian both talked about their long legs and how the squat wasn’t a particularly good exercise for them. Arnold had trouble developing his quads and Dorian preferred the leg press after several years of squatting. I myself prefer deadlifts for legs and I’ve been squating forever.
There you have it. Three professionals not diggin’ squats because of height and long legs… add me to that list.
You’re a 5’7" midget and trying to talk like you know something about long legged squatting. Go away! before I get anygry and spank your bottom blue little boy. Excuse me, Mr. 5’7" MAN!
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A fellas height does not make them any more or less of a man.