x2 ^ lots of gains. Ryan, how’d you get your delts to look like that?
deadlifts have helped my spinal erectors a ton obviously, but apart from that I you can get that thickness much better from shrugs and rows
Thanks guys. Helped i was so scrawny to strart and so damn lankyJust been plugging away. Changed up training bastardized JM training quite a bit. Very high volume. Stopped focusing on weight but will move up when needed and back off when it’s too heavy. I never used to do that. I just push as hard as I can everyday. It’s a fun journey. Long ways to go. Though I would train as hard even without physique benefits.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
faaark Ryan you’ve been doing some growing!
Looking awesome man, well done[/quote]
Ya looking good for sure.I remember reading you went off to school,hope that’s going good as well.I miss reading about your training,and even more so your food intake and nutrition experiments,haha.
[quote]jppage wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
faaark Ryan you’ve been doing some growing!
Looking awesome man, well done[/quote]
Ya looking good for sure.I remember reading you went off to school,hope that’s going good as well.I miss reading about your training,and even more so your food intake and nutrition experiments,haha.[/quote]
Lol food intake is still insane. Matches the training and activity. Finishing up med school year one. Been fun. Cranking. Up the intensity ever block of exams. Next year will be even harder. Doing research this summer
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]jppage wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
faaark Ryan you’ve been doing some growing!
Looking awesome man, well done[/quote]
Ya looking good for sure.I remember reading you went off to school,hope that’s going good as well.I miss reading about your training,and even more so your food intake and nutrition experiments,haha.[/quote]
Lol food intake is still insane. Matches the training and activity. Finishing up med school year one. Been fun. Cranking. Up the intensity ever block of exams. Next year will be even harder. Doing research this summer [/quote]
Good to hear,and you are one of the few people I’ve herd of being able to beat me in how much food consumed in a single setting.haha.
[quote]jppage wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]jppage wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
faaark Ryan you’ve been doing some growing!
Looking awesome man, well done[/quote]
Ya looking good for sure.I remember reading you went off to school,hope that’s going good as well.I miss reading about your training,and even more so your food intake and nutrition experiments,haha.[/quote]
Lol food intake is still insane. Matches the training and activity. Finishing up med school year one. Been fun. Cranking. Up the intensity ever block of exams. Next year will be even harder. Doing research this summer [/quote]
Good to hear,and you are one of the few people I’ve herd of being able to beat me in how much food consumed in a single setting.haha.[/quote]
Lol my appetite is stupid I actually hate it.
Some people need to rethink the principle of progressive overload when specific muscle hypertrophy is the focus. It’s not necessarily about adding weight to the bar. It’s about adding to the amount of work that the muscle has to do (either through increased tension produced and/or increased time under tension). This actually makes the goal of adding weight to the bar work against you.
Why? Well, think about what a powerlifter does when they want to add weight to their lifts… They shift their biomechanics in order to reduce the amount of tension placed on any one particular muscle and also reduce the ROM. Also, muscles don’t ‘care’ about weights. They care about torques or joint moments which depend on leverages.
My point is that just because 500 lbs is on the bar doesn’t mean that a particular muscle group is going to get more stimulus than if there were 400. It depends on the manner in which you execute the movement.
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
Point being, at some point, your gains will slow, then stop, heavier weight is introduced. No matter how you structure your workout. You simply have not reached that point yet.
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I 100% disagree with this, sry
[quote]coolusername wrote:
Some people need to rethink the principle of progressive overload when specific muscle hypertrophy is the focus. It’s not necessarily about adding weight to the bar. It’s about adding to the amount of work that the muscle has to do (either through increased tension produced and/or increased time under tension). This actually makes the goal of adding weight to the bar work against you. Why? Well, think about what a powerlifter does when they want to add weight to their lifts… They shift their biomechanics in order to reduce the amount of tension placed on any one particular muscle and also reduce the ROM. Also, muscles don’t ‘care’ about weights. They care about torques or joint moments which depend on leverages.
My point is that just because 500 lbs is on the bar doesn’t mean that a particular muscle group is going to get more stimulus than if there were 400. It depends on the manner in which you execute the movement.
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thx
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
I don’t care what anyone says about rep schemes and TUT and all these different fancy methods, if your can consistently increase your lifts, particularly those big compound ones, you WILL grow. You have to in order to accommodate the increasing loads you’re moving.[/quote]
That would be true if size of the muscle were the only component that contributed to strength. You’re forgetting neuromuscular efficiency–the nervous system becoming more effective at firing more motor units in less time. That can absolutely be achieved without forcing the muscle to grow (especially when there’s not a caloric surplus). Look at Eric Cressey who deadlift 660 at like 160lb. [/quote]
You make a good point but even gains that are just pure neuromuscular efficiency will be followed by size at some point. You can’t get stronger for months or years on end without gaining size. I think this is what Ironmanzvw means.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]ironmanzvw wrote:
I don’t care what anyone says about rep schemes and TUT and all these different fancy methods, if your can consistently increase your lifts, particularly those big compound ones, you WILL grow. You have to in order to accommodate the increasing loads you’re moving.[/quote]
That would be true if size of the muscle were the only component that contributed to strength. You’re forgetting neuromuscular efficiency–the nervous system becoming more effective at firing more motor units in less time. That can absolutely be achieved without forcing the muscle to grow (especially when there’s not a caloric surplus). Look at Eric Cressey who deadlift 660 at like 160lb. [/quote]
You make a good point but even gains that are just pure neuromuscular efficiency will be followed by size at some point. You can’t get stronger for months or years on end without gaining size. I think this is what Ironmanzvw means.[/quote]
Yep. I think we sorted things and e-hugged it out up there somewhere =/
subsiquent question: When Deadlifting primarily for back, what is better, traditional or trap bar deads?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
subsiquent question: When Deadlifting primarily for back, what is better, traditional or trap bar deads? [/quote]
I would say that there would be some individual variation but generally:
Conventional deadlift will work more erectors and lats* than the trap bar (which is more of a squat movement)
*In order to really work the lats with the deadlift you need to make sure that you are always trying to pull the bar towards your hips with your lats (when you hinge over the bar will tend to want to drift forward. use your lats to prevent this) otherwise it will just be passive tension on your traps. Watch Jay Cutler do deadlifts to get an idea of how he makes it a real back exercise. Also note that he rarely goes above 3 plates.
Deal lift on dead lift day!!!
I can do rack pulls last… but not deadlift (on back day). I just dont have enough energy by that point. Although, I do agree with jskrabrac and zraw.
Don’t understand the question. Everyday is back day.
For targeting the entire back without hitting much much else, my favorite DL variation is a snatch grip pull from just below the knees with straps.
For just the erectors, then double overhand with straps from knee height.
Either way, make sure you’re shins are parallel to the ground so that you don’t squat the weight up.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
For targeting the entire back without hitting much much else, my favorite DL variation is a snatch grip pull from just below the knees with straps.
For just the erectors, then double overhand with straps from knee height.
Either way, make sure you’re shins are parallel to the ground so that you don’t squat the weight up. [/quote]
shins parallel to the ground? I’m confused…
lol, I meant perpendicular but… that would be entertaining to watch someone try 
Man, keep in mind this is coming from a guy who in the past had a raw 495 dead at 170 back in my PLish days. Did high rep, dead stop deads last night with a nice lat squeeze at the top after my back workout for the first time(my back workouts tend to be pretty high volume). 225 was all it took to completely destroy me. Think I will deadlifting after back workouts for the time being. Feel like i got hit with a bus this morning.