[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yeah, you are correct on the raw vs RAW. And it was to you initially but meant for anyone to chime in.
Edit: and it was actually less about the standards themselves and more about the general trend that seems to hold true that the bigger someone gets the more the squat performance seems to resemble and then surpass the deadlift.[/quote]
The most significant thing I can think of is the fact that increased abdominal surface area is a blessing in the squat while a detriment in the deadlift. When you start getting really big, you’re going to traditionally be able to squat more and deadlift less. That said, guys like Bolton and Benni can still pull plenty big with a big midsection.[/quote]
Or this guy… That’s 1155lbs for anyone who hasn’t heard.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yeah, you are correct on the raw vs RAW. And it was to you initially but meant for anyone to chime in.
Edit: and it was actually less about the standards themselves and more about the general trend that seems to hold true that the bigger someone gets the more the squat performance seems to resemble and then surpass the deadlift.[/quote]
The most significant thing I can think of is the fact that increased abdominal surface area is a blessing in the squat while a detriment in the deadlift. When you start getting really big, you’re going to traditionally be able to squat more and deadlift less. That said, guys like Bolton and Benni can still pull plenty big with a big midsection.[/quote]
Or this guy… That’s 1155lbs for anyone who hasn’t heard.
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I would actually imagine the positioning on a silver dollar deadlift wouldn’t be as negatively impacted due to the height of the bar, but Z also has a very respectable conventional. Him and Shaw put on a great show in '13.
[quote]Claudan wrote:
I think it’s only fair that males engage in marriage once they are unable to get it up. [/quote]
Isn’t sex the lure for marriage. I love my wife but the first time I saw her I wasn’t thinking that’s the girl I want to start a life with and raise 4 men. It was just a hottie I wanted to show my stinger to that night.
Ow, and you do know they have med.s for that! lol
[quote]badboy132 wrote:
how it is possible that my deadlift is a lot heavier than my squat?
my deadlift is 210-220 lbs and my squat is 150
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Take a look at this thread:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strength/what_is_your_squat_of_your_deadlift
Most guys seem to be squatting anywhere from 70ish to 90ish% of their deadlift. You’re right around 70%, so I’d say you’re spot-on normal. Plus you’re still a beginner, so don’t sweat it.
For a more specific “why”, as I said, it’s totally normal to dead more than you squat, but it can depend a little bit on your structure (height, weight, general fat level, etc.). But to super-oversimplify it, the deadlift is almost-always a much shorter range of motion than a squat. That alone will be a significant factor in using more weight.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yeah, you are correct on the raw vs RAW. And it was to you initially but meant for anyone to chime in.
Edit: and it was actually less about the standards themselves and more about the general trend that seems to hold true that the bigger someone gets the more the squat performance seems to resemble and then surpass the deadlift.[/quote]
The most significant thing I can think of is the fact that increased abdominal surface area is a blessing in the squat while a detriment in the deadlift. When you start getting really big, you’re going to traditionally be able to squat more and deadlift less. That said, guys like Bolton and Benni can still pull plenty big with a big midsection.[/quote]
Or this guy… That’s 1155lbs for anyone who hasn’t heard.
[/quote]
I would actually imagine the positioning on a silver dollar deadlift wouldn’t be as negatively impacted due to the height of the bar, but Z also has a very respectable conventional. Him and Shaw put on a great show in '13.
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Yeah, that was at the Arnold this year. Shaw missed his at 1150. It actually came down to the Circus Dumbbell at the end between the two. If Shaw would have managed to lock out the next to last attempt or if he would have gotten credit for his last one he would have hit 5 and beaten Z but he just couldn’t quite get it.
[quote]staystrong wrote:
Leverages is the biggest one. And for your strength development that’s not really that large of a difference or that uncommon. Don’t worry about it. I’ve pulled 380 on a deadlift with a 335 squat at the time. Actually, it’s very likely the two lifts aren’t going to be the same[/quote]
We should be training partners! I hit a conventional DL PR today at 385 and will be attempting a 320 squat this week.
There was a topic on this site about squat to DL ratio. For many, it was 80-85%, including me.
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]badboy132 wrote:
how it is possible that my deadlift is a lot heavier than my squat?
my deadlift is 210-220 lbs and my squat is 150
[/quote]
Take a look at this thread:
Most guys seem to be squatting anywhere from 70ish to 90ish% of their deadlift. You’re right around 70%, so I’d say you’re spot-on normal. Plus you’re still a beginner, so don’t sweat it.
For a more specific “why”, as I said, it’s totally normal to dead more than you squat, but it can depend a little bit on your structure (height, weight, general fat level, etc.). But to super-oversimplify it, the deadlift is almost-always a much shorter range of motion than a squat. That alone will be a significant factor in using more weight.[/quote]
Thanks, Chris - I knew there was a topic on this somewhere on this site…