[quote]csulli wrote:
Doesn’t matter. He pulled 985 from the floor in the gym.[/quote]
Absolutely true, he is a strong man. My point is that his choice of deadlifting style is going to be more influenced by his sport compared to the powerlifters that you mentioned. In the other cases, those folks were given the choice between sumo and conventional and they picked the latter because they could pull more weight that way. In the case of Shaw, him being a better sumo puller would be immaterial, because he HAS to pull conventional, so he would be inclined to become a strong conventional puller.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Doesn’t matter. He pulled 985 from the floor in the gym.[/quote]
Absolutely true, he is a strong man. My point is that his choice of deadlifting style is going to be more influenced by his sport compared to the powerlifters that you mentioned. In the other cases, those folks were given the choice between sumo and conventional and they picked the latter because they could pull more weight that way. In the case of Shaw, him being a better sumo puller would be immaterial, because he HAS to pull conventional, so he would be inclined to become a strong conventional puller.
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You’re missing the forest for the trees really hard right now.
[quote]csulli wrote:
You’re missing the forest for the trees really hard right now.[/quote]
Apparently I am. I’ll explain what I thought you were saying and you can correct me.
When you said
“Oh shit, has anyone told Benni Magnusson about this? Does Brian Shaw know? Does Jesse Norris know about how much easier it would be if he pulled sumo? What about Richard Hawthorne and Eric Lilliebridge? We need to get the word out to all these morons!”
I thought your implication was that these people pull conventionally because they are stronger with that movement than sumo, which was demonstrating that sumo actually is not always easier/resulting in being able to lift more weight. Did you mean this to be taken in a different way?
[quote]aspengc8 wrote:
sumo is not a ‘real’ deadlift? I’m not a fan of bouncing the weight up like in the vid, but calling sumo not real is just straight ignorant. [/quote]
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sumo is way more technical than conventional, I still do not know why people consider sumo easier than conventional.
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Because Sumo Deadlifts are far less ROM than conventional. Certain people are built better for Sumo than Conventional, but there’s no point denying that one is considerably far less Range of motion and therefore easier.[/quote]
Easier? Not necessarily. Nevertheless, performing a deadlift (or any of the powerlifts) is partially about optimizing leverages and shortening ROM. This wasn’t an ATG squat or a close-grip bench press test, but rather a deadlift test, and he performed 40 completely legitimate 405-lb deadlifts in 60 seconds.
[quote]Captain Wheels wrote:
considerably far less Range of motion and therefore easier.[/quote]
Oh shit, has anyone told Benni Magnusson about this? Does Brian Shaw know? Does Jesse Norris know about how much easier it would be if he pulled sumo? What about Richard Hawthorne and Eric Lilliebridge? We need to get the word out to all these morons![/quote]
In the context of this thread about Chris pulling 405 for 40 reps in 60 seconds (pulling extremely high reps with less than 45% of his 1RM), I think it’s legitimate to point out that the shorter range of motion allowed by pulling sumo could make the feat easier, i.e. work = force x distance; less distance per rep = less work, assuming that the force (mass x acceleration) applied per rep is the same for sumo vs. conventional.
Sumo is not easier than conventional… Each have their merits and each individual can perform better at one versus the other. Please stop with this unfathomably retarded debate.
In the case of repping out a low % for time (which has nothing to do with easyness seeing how all that matters is the 1RM), it is reasonable to postulate that sumo is advantageous because of the decreased ROM. Given that Chris is moving the bar ridiculously fast already, if he had to move it 20% further, he would have to move the bar 20% faster to even be able to match this mark and frankly moving the bar much faster is unreasonable.
Only on the internet would someone actually find a way to try and discredit this feat. Who gives a fuck if it’s sumo or not majority of people here wouldn’t even have the conditioning to do a set of 40 rep deadlifts. Like pointed out here if sumo was so easy then why do the worlds best pullers pretty much all pull conventional.
I would also like to point out that this man has squated 520lb for 20 reps. He is the definition of a fucking beast!
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
Only on the internet would someone actually find a way to try and discredit this feat. Who gives a fuck if it’s sumo or not majority of people here wouldn’t even have the conditioning to do a set of 40 rep deadlifts. Like pointed out here if sumo was so easy then why do the worlds best pullers pretty much all pull conventional.
I would also like to point out that this man has squated 520lb for 20 reps. He is the definition of a fucking beast!
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I do wish he would compete in real Feds though…
I love when people heckle guys for ‘speed’ repping, or performing really fast and shortened range of motions on lifts. The video as an obvious example. He’s bouncing 405 vigorously, and his ROM is diminutive, but find somebody you know who can handle 405 on deadlift (sumo OR conventional) the way Chris Duffin did. He’s standing up with it faster than most people can probably sit up from the toilet and his form is hardly breaking. Kind of like good old Ronald Coleman front squatting like 495 for a set of 10 doing half reps. I’m pretty sure that’s god status achieved to just bounce in and out of the hole with such control to just deliberately choose how far up and down you go with 500lbs on your chest.
Enough to deem half-reps in the aforementioned context valid and a very impressive feat of strenf!
