[quote]Pinto wrote:
I watched Matt’s DB rows and I’m here to say that his set should have been redlighted by the duly appointed gym accessory lift judges at Matt’s gym. I don’t blame the lifters, but I do blame the judges for allowing the great sport of gym accessory lifting to be run into the ground. I mean- when I see a triceps pushdown, I want to see an upright torso, a good lockout, and correct hand positioning on the cable attachments.
Between the loose judging and all this bullshit cheat-gear like tapered Valeo cinch belts and wrist straps, gym accessory lifting just ain’t what it used to be. Christ, how do we expect accessory gym lifts to get into the Olympics?[/quote]
[quote]Pinto wrote:
I watched Matt’s DB rows and I’m here to say that his set should have been redlighted by the duly appointed gym accessory lift judges at Matt’s gym. I don’t blame the lifters, but I do blame the judges for allowing the great sport of gym accessory lifting to be run into the ground. I mean- when I see a triceps pushdown, I want to see an upright torso, a good lockout, and correct hand positioning on the cable attachments.
Between the loose judging and all this bullshit cheat-gear like tapered Valeo cinch belts and wrist straps, gym accessory lifting just ain’t what it used to be. Christ, how do we expect accessory gym lifts to get into the Olympics?[/quote]
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
I dont remember the last time I saw a post this good. Forget it, post of the year, no others need apply
[quote]Max Thunder wrote:
You also can’t have as much ROM. I think the scapula retractors just can’t get as strong as the lats/biceps. With heavier weight, the first 75% of the ROM is so much more easier than that last 25%. You’re seriously limiting yourself if you want to keep doing that 25%. You could add some very strict rowing on machine or with a barbell, focusing on that 25%, squeezing the back for a second or 2 at the end.[/quote]
That’s confusing though. Isn’t the whole point of doing rows to work that last 25% and strengthen the scapula retractors… the back muscles… which the row is done to target?
If you just want to work lats/biceps why not do chinups or something?
[quote]tyciol wrote:
Max Thunder wrote:
You also can’t have as much ROM. I think the scapula retractors just can’t get as strong as the lats/biceps. With heavier weight, the first 75% of the ROM is so much more easier than that last 25%. You’re seriously limiting yourself if you want to keep doing that 25%. You could add some very strict rowing on machine or with a barbell, focusing on that 25%, squeezing the back for a second or 2 at the end.
That’s confusing though. Isn’t the whole point of doing rows to work that last 25% and strengthen the scapula retractors… the back muscles… which the row is done to target?
If you just want to work lats/biceps why not do chinups or something?[/quote]
Different exercises serve different purposes for different people. Can I be any more ambiguous?
The point is that Matt does these to increase his deadlift…and it has. After being stuck for 2 years it brought his deadlift up by 50lbs.
As far as the technical breakdown, I’d say he’s working more lats and lower back than rhomboids and the other scap retractors.
In powerlifing, if its not helping the bench, squat, or deadlift then it doesn’t matter. I’m sure he does plenty of work that helps his scap retractors but this is not an exercise that he does for that purpose.
Also, think of it this way. If his deadlift jumped up because of this exercise, then wouldn’t that additional weight handled on the deadlift build his scap retractors when performing the deadlift?
So even if this exercise is not primarily focused on the scap retractors, they are indirectly strengthened by increasing the amount of weight that he is able to pull.
I can see where youre coming from about the scap retractors. I’ve used them as a rehab movement from my physio before, and I still use them from time to time.
But i also use them as a lat exercise too. Different exercises can be used to target different points with very subtle form changes. It doesn’t mean you’re doing it wrong tho.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
I can see where youre coming from about the scap retractors. I’ve used them as a rehab movement from my physio before, and I still use them from time to time.
But i also use them as a lat exercise too. Different exercises can be used to target different points with very subtle form changes. It doesn’t mean you’re doing it wrong tho.[/quote]
There’s also no reason you can’t retract your scapula early in the movement (not saying that’s his focus). The first thing I do on any row is start the movement by retract my scapula.
…I’m still looking forward to seeing what he can do with the (thicker grip) 200lbs!
