[quote]Matias A. wrote:
looking big is different than looking good naked, dont mix them[/quote]
^ 110% True
Cutting is psychological brutal, especially if you pride your self on looking like you lift in a XL shirt.
Well my taste in ladies might not be yours.
I guess it might work both ways.
GO Paulie !
[quote]Professor X wrote:
5’6" is short. My ex-training partner was 5’7" and competed at 205lbs. He was usually 260+ walking around…and let me tell you, being that weight at 5’7" is fairly noticeable.[/quote]
wow 200+ stage weight @ 5’7 is HYOOGE.
Stage weight in terms of #s is deceptive. 5’6 and 170 in true contest weight is pretty damn big (Cordova is 5’6-5’7 and competes ~154-165). I kill myself to come in at like 175.5 to make weigh in under 176, then actually step onstage closer to 180. And while I’ve continually been told what a ‘damn big’ middleweight I am, there are other pros of similar #s who look about twice my size (and I’m talking clean competitors here, as PEDs change the curve considerably).
Dr. Joe Klemszewski wrote in a very old article how your weight can progress for several years, but then it may APPEAR to stall out via scale readings, but the physical/visual and thus true compositional changes continue, and that’s what many newer competitors, or misinformed people fail to realize.
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Stage weight in terms of #s is deceptive. 5’6 and 170 in true contest weight is pretty damn big (Cordova is 5’6-5’7 and competes ~154-165). I kill myself to come in at like 175.5 to make weigh in under 176, then actually step onstage closer to 180. And while I’ve continually been told what a ‘damn big’ middleweight I am, there are other pros of similar #s who look about twice my size (and I’m talking clean competitors here, as PEDs change the curve considerably).
Dr. Joe Klemszewski wrote in a very old article how your weight can progress for several years, but then it may APPEAR to stall out via scale readings, but the physical/visual and thus true compositional changes continue, and that’s what many newer competitors, or misinformed people fail to realize.
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S[/quote]
QFT
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Stage weight in terms of #s is deceptive. 5’6 and 170 in true contest weight is pretty damn big (Cordova is 5’6-5’7 and competes ~154-165). I kill myself to come in at like 175.5 to make weigh in under 176, then actually step onstage closer to 180. And while I’ve continually been told what a ‘damn big’ middleweight I am, there are other pros of similar #s who look about twice my size (and I’m talking clean competitors here, as PEDs change the curve considerably).
Dr. Joe Klemszewski wrote in a very old article how your weight can progress for several years, but then it may APPEAR to stall out via scale readings, but the physical/visual and thus true compositional changes continue, and that’s what many newer competitors, or misinformed people fail to realize.
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S[/quote]
I agree.
From what I have read here and elsewhere on the Net, it appears that only non-competitors make such a big deal out of stage / bw weight. All competitors and those that actually accomplish something seem to quickly learn the lesson that the only thing that actually matters is how you actually look. Stage weight only matters for picking the right class at the comp.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Stage weight in terms of #s is deceptive. 5’6 and 170 in true contest weight is pretty damn big (Cordova is 5’6-5’7 and competes ~154-165). I kill myself to come in at like 175.5 to make weigh in under 176, then actually step onstage closer to 180. And while I’ve continually been told what a ‘damn big’ middleweight I am, there are other pros of similar #s who look about twice my size (and I’m talking clean competitors here, as PEDs change the curve considerably).
Dr. Joe Klemszewski wrote in a very old article how your weight can progress for several years, but then it may APPEAR to stall out via scale readings, but the physical/visual and thus true compositional changes continue, and that’s what many newer competitors, or misinformed people fail to realize.
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S[/quote]
I agree.
From what I have read here and elsewhere on the Net, it appears that only non-competitors make such a big deal out of stage / bw weight. All competitors and those that actually accomplish something seem to quickly learn the lesson that the only thing that actually matters is how you actually look. Stage weight only matters for picking the right class at the comp.[/quote]
Your right in the fact that the ONLY thing that matters in bodybulding is the mirror and NOT the scale…granted this is a lot genetic pec shape, roundness of shoulders, bicep peak…but when it comes down to it you will look better 175@ single digit bf%, than 170 at the same bf%.
Generally speaking you get a sense of what ‘big’ is when you been around bodybulding…
5’8 205 singlt digit bf…is decent size
where as
6’2 210 single digit bf…is NOT so impressive…
Mirror > Scale, but the scale is also a key point of reference is respect to progress.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Stage weight in terms of #s is deceptive. 5’6 and 170 in true contest weight is pretty damn big (Cordova is 5’6-5’7 and competes ~154-165). I kill myself to come in at like 175.5 to make weigh in under 176, then actually step onstage closer to 180. And while I’ve continually been told what a ‘damn big’ middleweight I am, there are other pros of similar #s who look about twice my size (and I’m talking clean competitors here, as PEDs change the curve considerably).
Dr. Joe Klemszewski wrote in a very old article how your weight can progress for several years, but then it may APPEAR to stall out via scale readings, but the physical/visual and thus true compositional changes continue, and that’s what many newer competitors, or misinformed people fail to realize.
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S[/quote]
Wow, I still have much to learn. I didn’t realize as a natural you could still make significant visual changes in composition without increasing your weight.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
you think you’ll ever compete Paulie?[/quote]
Really this all depends on how I look when I’m done leaning out, (mostly seeing how dense and vascular I am and what my weaknesses are). Regardless I feel like I’m about two years from being ready for a show.
But yes I would love to in the future do physique or bodybuilding atleast once 100% natural.
EDIT:
Not to mention I don’t want to be some guy who competes at like 175, I want to be like 190 shredded at 5’8 on stage. [/quote]
I think you should man, you’ve got some good size already. You’ve got good broad shoulders too[/quote]
ha, thanks man. We will see, I fear that when I get lean my legs are going to be a huge weakness. But I definitely plan on working on any of these weaknesses I may have and preping for a show.
Cool tats. How bad did the one at the top of your forearm hurt?
[quote]RonSwanson wrote:
Cool tats. How bad did the one at the top of your forearm hurt?[/quote]
Things you guys don’t know.
The tattoo on my left shoulder says FUCK SHIT. I got it in the army when I was drunk and 19.
but to answer your question the tattoo on my forearm/elbow crease didn’t really hurt much until the last 20 minutes or so as it on fire and being rubbed raw.
I hate this tattoo so much oh the dumb things we do when we are young. I can’t wait to get it covered up with something else I will regret in 2 years.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Stage weight in terms of #s is deceptive. 5’6 and 170 in true contest weight is pretty damn big (Cordova is 5’6-5’7 and competes ~154-165). I kill myself to come in at like 175.5 to make weigh in under 176, then actually step onstage closer to 180. And while I’ve continually been told what a ‘damn big’ middleweight I am, there are other pros of similar #s who look about twice my size (and I’m talking clean competitors here, as PEDs change the curve considerably).
Dr. Joe Klemszewski wrote in a very old article how your weight can progress for several years, but then it may APPEAR to stall out via scale readings, but the physical/visual and thus true compositional changes continue, and that’s what many newer competitors, or misinformed people fail to realize.
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S[/quote]
This is what I’m trying to do. I’m possibly a hair over 5’8 and that was with a late growth spurt. I’m currently 170 down from about 190 this time last year and I’ve still got a way to go before I look great.
I considered going to maintenance for a few months and see if I can just put on a few extra pounds of muscle if I train my ass off and have sleep etc down because I expected to look much better than this at this weight initially.
Also Paulie man you’re doing great nice to see a well grounded guy on here with a sensible head on his shoulders! Good work bro!
[quote]Lolkema wrote:
This is what I’m trying to do. I’m possibly a hair over 5’8 and that was with a late growth spurt. I’m currently 170 down from about 190 this time last year and I’ve still got a way to go before I look great.
I considered going to maintenance for a few months and see if I can just put on a few extra pounds of muscle if I train my ass off and have sleep etc down because I expected to look much better than this at this weight initially.
[/quote]
Lol, everyone guessing somewhat incorrectly about just how much they’ll weigh to be ‘ripped’. I thought I’d step onstage for my first contest weighing 190 (I was pretty lean starting out at 205). Needless to say, that’s why you’ll hear every successful competitor talk about how their perspective changes after that very first diet.
No clue if being competitive is even in the back of your mind, but best of luck either way.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
If you’re 5’8 (same height as me), and you get anywhere from 170-180 in single digit bodyfat, trust me, you’re gonna look seriously impressive!
S[/quote]
it’s refreshing to hear someone say this
First proper cut i did i got past the weight i thought i’d be and was like “i’m actually rather small”! Going from a big in shirts at 195 to less than 170 and old clothes hanging off you sucks!
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Needless to say, that’s why you’ll hear every successful competitor talk about how their perspective changes after that very first diet.
S[/quote]
While I never competed or got to a true stage condition, my first serious cut with Shelby taught me exactly what you mean. Talk about eye-opening and soul-crushing. ha
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Needless to say, that’s why you’ll hear every successful competitor talk about how their perspective changes after that very first diet.
S[/quote]
While I never competed or got to a true stage condition, my first serious cut with Shelby taught me exactly what you mean. Talk about eye-opening and soul-crushing. ha
[/quote]
do you have any before and after pics from working with Shelby? If you don’t want to post them then it’s cool
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Needless to say, that’s why you’ll hear every successful competitor talk about how their perspective changes after that very first diet.
S[/quote]
While I never competed or got to a true stage condition, my first serious cut with Shelby taught me exactly what you mean. Talk about eye-opening and soul-crushing. ha
[/quote]
What do you guys think contributes to this?
Even though I’m not very lean yet I’ve noticed over the close to 40lbs I’ve lost that I never look anywhere near how I thought I would at the beginning of the cut.
For instance assuming I’m around 18% bodyfat (give or take) my estimated LBM would be roughly 177ish lbs.
But it’s becoming very clear that if I were to diet down to contest condition I could definitely weigh under 177.
Is it a lost of muscle, or change of fluid retention (since water is technically LBM) or just simply that most people over estimate how much muscle they actually have?
I think it’s just wishful thinking. We like to think we’ve more muscle/less fat than we do
I think it’s just wishful thinking. We like to think we’ve more muscle/less fat than we do