Darkly Dreaming Florelius.

Hi florelius, I noticed earlier that you mentioned your sleeping problems as a disorder, but later it sounds more like you develped bad sleeping habits. Is your sleep pattern an illness? If it is I’d aggressivly seek a doctor, but otherwise I really hope you alter your habit. Poor sleeping is so soul sucking for me.

If it’s any help I develop bad sleeping patterns myself at times. For a fix I’ll dedicate a day to changing that. Sometimes I’ll set a schedule for something important early morning on purpose such as work. At other times I’ve even scheduled early morning classes to force myself up. You might not be able to do that and often I can’t either so I get up early on my own if neccessary. That’s the easy part normally. The hard part is usually staying up until the evening. That’s why I use a full day for this. To stay alert and keep from the temptation of napping I must stay kinetic periodically through the day. No internet, t.v., study, etc. for me. Otherwise I slow down and get tired. I stand and cook all my meals this day over the stove, walk two or three times a day, go lift at the gym as a few examples. I wake up around 5 a.m. and by the time of 10 or 11 p.m. I’m ready for bed. You should be able to fall asleep easily and of course be able to wake up at a reasonable hour for now on. This has worked for me even if my sleeping has been terrible for monthes.

I have some other questions too. I’d estimate your daily protien count at about 130 grams? Does that sound right? That’s a good amount but what does your calorie and carb count look like? Is musli like oatmeal? Is that Wendler’s program your still doing? And how did you learn english so well???

It looks like your really trying to eat big/grow and it doesn’t look bad. The lifting routine is solid as well. To me that only leaves sleep quality. Try to work hard on the sleep thing. It will translate towards more than lifting as well I’m sure. I know you said your schedule is packed but can you sacrifice a single day? I don’t see it as a day lost. More like one step back and then three forward. :wink:

[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
Hi florelius, I noticed earlier that you mentioned your sleeping problems as a disorder, but later it sounds more like you develped bad sleeping habits. Is your sleep pattern an illness? If it is I’d aggressivly seek a doctor, but otherwise I really hope you alter your habit. Poor sleeping is so soul sucking for me.

If it’s any help I develop bad sleeping patterns myself at times. For a fix I’ll dedicate a day to changing that. Sometimes I’ll set a schedule for something important early morning on purpose such as work. At other times I’ve even scheduled early morning classes to force myself up. You might not be able to do that and often I can’t either so I get up early on my own if neccessary. That’s the easy part normally. The hard part is usually staying up until the evening. That’s why I use a full day for this. To stay alert and keep from the temptation of napping I must stay kinetic periodically through the day. No internet, t.v., study, etc. for me. Otherwise I slow down and get tired. I stand and cook all my meals this day over the stove, walk two or three times a day, go lift at the gym as a few examples. I wake up around 5 a.m. and by the time of 10 or 11 p.m. I’m ready for bed. You should be able to fall asleep easily and of course be able to wake up at a reasonable hour for now on. This has worked for me even if my sleeping has been terrible for monthes.

I have some other questions too. I’d estimate your daily protien count at about 130 grams? Does that sound right? That’s a good amount but what does your calorie and carb count look like? Is musli like oatmeal? Is that Wendler’s program your still doing? And how did you learn english so well???

It looks like your really trying to eat big/grow and it doesn’t look bad. The lifting routine is solid as well. To me that only leaves sleep quality. Try to work hard on the sleep thing. It will translate towards more than lifting as well I’m sure. I know you said your schedule is packed but can you sacrifice a single day? I don’t see it as a day lost. More like one step back and then three forward. ;)[/quote]

Hi mikemike87, thanks for popping in to my log :slight_smile:

about the sleeping pattern thing: I guess is more of a bad sleeping pattern than a disorder, but sometimes I wonder if its more than a bad habit haha, sorry to both of you for creating confusion about that. I have tried to keep me awake for 24+ hours to get tired enough to fall asleep before 12 at night. That experiment ended with me being awake for 48hours at most and sleeping 12hours minimum. In short my sleeping pattern got even more bad after this.
I can say that the last 6months have probably been the best for 5years when it comes to the subject of my sleeping pattern. I can add that I smoke and drink coffe and that this is probably a factor in this because both are neural stimulating. I did also have a starting drinking problem, but its under control know. I used to go out 3-4times a week an get drunk. now a days I drink maximum 4pints when out and I dont go out for real much anymore, only a beer after work or school 2-3times a week( probably not perfect, but its better than being shitface on scottish whisky 3times pr week ey haha ). My plan now to deal with my sleeping problems is to get up early with my girlfriend, not drinking coffe after 5 a clock and try to go to sleep before 12 at night. Hope that did cover the sleeping thing.

about food: before I tried to hit a specific number of grams in daily protein and carb intake, but it ended up in living on protein powders and carb powders:O. Found out that it was to stressfull to think about grams of this and that. Now I have a vague idea of hitting minimum 100grams of protein pr day and carbs I dont count, but I guess I get well above 200grams of carbs pr day. fat is in oats, eggs and milk etc so I dont think about it. I do try to make the habit of getting a tablespoon of fishoil at breakfeast, but I am forgetful when it comes to that. + drink alot of juice and limonades etc ( my teeth hate LOL ). ps. musli is a mix of grains( oats and others ) and dried fruits. I buy in cups with a mix of musli and yogurt for breakfest and lunch, I am most hungry in the evening and at night probably because of my sleep pattern. I feel my current diet is working, I just have to stick with it long turn and tweak it when it stops working, consistency is key and I have to work on that LOL.

Training: I dont follow wendlers 5/3/1 progression system anymore, but I am wery inspired by hes writings, I still cracks open his book, when I am at loss about training. My progression plan(or whatever you like to call it ) is wery simple. I start at a weight I can do 15-10reps on and ads 5pounds/2,5kg pr week untill I get to a weight I can do less than 5reps on, then I drop down 70% or 80% next session and works my way up. On the way up to my new 5rm I try to beat every weight that comes in my path. I just started it, but I think it is a plan that will wotk for someone like me. As you can see its inspired by 5/3/1 because hitting rep maxes is the name of the game. My goal is at the moment not to get huge, but bigger then I am now. ( I havent weighed myself for a long time, but I guess roughly 60kg).
I think that 75kg lean is my end goal for now, I am 175cm btw. As a sidenote I weighed 48kg when I started to train.( my goal than was a bodyweight of 60kg and being able to do reps with 60kg ). So I guess goals change for each step forward you make, so I cant say that my goals today are the same in two years.

And thanks for the compliment about my english:)

best regards from flo.

Hell yeah that’s cool. I’m not especially strict on macronutrients at this point myself, but if I’m changing gears towards another goal then I will get strict on intake of food again until I have a general idea of what I’m getting in daily. I agree about consistency. After diet changes it’s definatly neccessary to measure/progress body compisition changes, energy, and hunger since it takes time. The main thing is the food looks reasonably clean and nutritous and it looks like a fair amount at your size.

I think it’s good you’ve cut down on drinking. I don’t know it’s effect on bulking but I’ve cut out all drinking myself (trying to drop pounds). Drinking wasn’t kind to me.

Sleep still seems to me the weak link judging from eating and lifting. Tackle the problem however you see fit but tackle it hard. I fell your progress will accelerate if you sort it out.

Weight training idea sounds good. There’s not much to it but to do it. The beauty of simplicity. Truthfully I think at this point nearly any training program will work for you. A simple template like that focused on using effective lifts is most likly ideal. Keep working and I’ll keep following.

[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
Hell yeah that’s cool. I’m not especially strict on macronutrients at this point myself, but if I’m changing gears towards another goal then I will get strict on intake of food again until I have a general idea of what I’m getting in daily. I agree about consistency. After diet changes it’s definatly neccessary to measure/progress body compisition changes, energy, and hunger since it takes time. The main thing is the food looks reasonably clean and nutritous and it looks like a fair amount at your size.

I think it’s good you’ve cut down on drinking. I don’t know it’s effect on bulking but I’ve cut out all drinking myself (trying to drop pounds). Drinking wasn’t kind to me.

Sleep still seems to me the weak link judging from eating and lifting. Tackle the problem however you see fit but tackle it hard. I fell your progress will accelerate if you sort it out.

Weight training idea sounds good. There’s not much to it but to do it. The beauty of simplicity. Truthfully I think at this point nearly any training program will work for you. A simple template like that focused on using effective lifts is most likly ideal. Keep working and I’ll keep following.

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drinking an bulking are not friends. Alcohol burns down the muscles as far as I know and when I used to be single, late nights with drinking, dancing and being away for the kitchen was not helping towards bigger lifts and a bigger body, it did hold me back.

anyway thanks for the kind words and I will keep on working hard and try to solve that sleeping bussines out.

ps. Are you planning on having a log of your own here at T-Nation?

There is potential that a log of my own may exist someday. If so I probably will include over a year’s worth of training and diet information that I’ve accumulated in my notebook for the last 15 months or so in my first post. In that period of time I began 5/3/1 and took a big step forward in clean eating. I’m satisfied with my hard copy log right now.

[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
There is potential that a log of my own may exist someday. If so I probably will include over a year’s worth of training and diet information that I’ve accumulated in my notebook for the last 15 months or so in my first post. In that period of time I began 5/3/1 and took a big step forward in clean eating. I’m satisfied with my hard copy log right now.[/quote]

sounds cool, hope I will be able to see that someday:)

ps. what is your best lifts if I may ask?

Some general background info…
Height: 5 ft. 8 in. (~173cm)
weight: 195 lbs. (~89kg) 15 monthes ago I was at 230 lbs. (~105kg)

I’m a much better power lifter than olympic lifter. In fact I haven’t done any olympic lifts since the university built a new gym over a year ago. In particular I squat well. My dead lift is catching up after suffering a painful back injury three years ago. In fact as I type this I expect my dead lift is almost exactly even with my squat and may soon pass it, but I won’t know until I redo my max for each lift. That’s a few monthes away I suspect.

Most current max lifts (three monthes ago roughly)…
Squat: 395 lbs. (~180kg)
Dead lift: 335 lbs. (~152kg)
Bench: 225 lbs. (~102kg)
OH press: 160 lbs. (~73kg)

Like I said before it’s hard to know my new maxes and I can’t plunge into maxing out in the middle of the program but the last week of work out can give us an idea where I’m at.

Squat: 1x5 @ 275 lbs. (125kg)
1x3 @ 310 lbs. (141kg)
1x8 @ 345 lbs. (157kg) final set. Got 8 reps with 345 lbs.

Dead: 1x5 @ 235 lbs. (107kg)
1x3 @ 265 lbs. (120kg)
1x10 @ 295 lbs. (134kg) final set. Got 10 reps with 295 lbs.

Bench: 1x5 @ 155 lbs. (70kg)
1x3 @ 175 lbs. (80kg)
1x14 @ 195 lbs. (89kg) final set. Got 14 reps with 195 lbs.

OH Press: 1x5 @ 110 lbs. (50kg)
1x3 @ 125 lbs. (57kg)
1x13 @ 140 lbs. (64kg) final set. Got 13 reps with 140 lbs.

Probably a lot more here than you care to read but maybe gives you a better general idea of myself. If there’s anymore you want to know just ask.

[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
Some general background info…
Height: 5 ft. 8 in. (~173cm)
weight: 195 lbs. (~89kg) 15 monthes ago I was at 230 lbs. (~105kg)

I’m a much better power lifter than olympic lifter. In fact I haven’t done any olympic lifts since the university built a new gym over a year ago. In particular I squat well. My dead lift is catching up after suffering a painful back injury three years ago. In fact as I type this I expect my dead lift is almost exactly even with my squat and may soon pass it, but I won’t know until I redo my max for each lift. That’s a few monthes away I suspect.

Most current max lifts (three monthes ago roughly)…
Squat: 395 lbs. (~180kg)
Dead lift: 335 lbs. (~152kg)
Bench: 225 lbs. (~102kg)
OH press: 160 lbs. (~73kg)

Like I said before it’s hard to know my new maxes and I can’t plunge into maxing out in the middle of the program but the last week of work out can give us an idea where I’m at.

Squat: 1x5 @ 275 lbs. (125kg)
1x3 @ 310 lbs. (141kg)
1x8 @ 345 lbs. (157kg) final set. Got 8 reps with 345 lbs.

Dead: 1x5 @ 235 lbs. (107kg)
1x3 @ 265 lbs. (120kg)
1x10 @ 295 lbs. (134kg) final set. Got 10 reps with 295 lbs.

Bench: 1x5 @ 155 lbs. (70kg)
1x3 @ 175 lbs. (80kg)
1x14 @ 195 lbs. (89kg) final set. Got 14 reps with 195 lbs.

OH Press: 1x5 @ 110 lbs. (50kg)
1x3 @ 125 lbs. (57kg)
1x13 @ 140 lbs. (64kg) final set. Got 13 reps with 140 lbs.

Probably a lot more here than you care to read but maybe gives you a better general idea of myself. If there’s anymore you want to know just ask.
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you are a strong man, if I had your numbers in squat and bench I would be happy :slight_smile:

If you care to know here is my best lifts and my starting lifts:

benchpress:

6x40kg in 2004. ( bw: 48kg )

10x60kg and 4x70kg in 2010. ( bw: 60kg )

militarypress:

4x40kg in 2005 or 2006, its along time ago hehe so dont really remember when I started this movement. ( bw: 55-58kg )

10x40kg and 3x50kg in the summer of 2010. ( bw: 60kg )

deadlift:

1x70kg in 2006. ( bw: 55-58kg )

3x100kg in the summer of 2009 ( bw: 58kg ), and 7x90kg in the summer of 2010. ( bw: 60kg.

squat:

6x40kg in 2006. ( bw: 55-58kg )

I suck at this movement btw: 5x60kg in 2010. ( bw: 60kg )

As you can see my maximum strenght are not wery good, but my relativ strenght are better, but it can also improve offcourse :P.
ps. I dont test 1rms because I train alone.

training 03.02.2011.

after warmup.

benchpress:
5x32,5kg.
5x42,5kg.
13x52,5kg.

one arm DBrow:
10x12,5kg pr arm.
10x17,5kg pr arm.
12x22,5kg pr arm.

legcurl:
3x10.

back raises:
3x10reps.

sit ups:
3x10reps.

comment: not a great workout, but not a bad one either. just a totally ok workout:)

Yes I’ve noticed squats are a weak point for you. Looking at your numbers and how they related to each other leads me to think maybe your proportions are similar to my training partner’s. His legs seem kind of long for his body. Do you feel this is how you are? In the past his bench numbers were dangerously close to his squat numbers. From the information you posted it looks like you can bench more than you squat.

If your interested my friend began to overcome this by aggressivly pursuing the leg press and planks consistantly. I see you’ve worked these two exercises but it doesn’t look consistant enough to benefit a lagging squat. We always worked leg press on squat day but save planks until dead lift day. Also I think you’ve posted that you have only done side planks. We normally work side planks but also do front planks (with your stomach pointed and lifted from the floor using your elbows and forearms). I was skeptical of planks in the past but I’ve really warmed up to them. In fact I had believed any ab work whenever you are dedicated to squat and deadlift was unnecessary, but my numbers have only gone up while incorporating planks so I do them now. Well that and also nearly every bodaciously bad ass squater and dead lifter at the gym seems to swear by planks. Sit ups, crunches, leg raises etc. seem to fall from favor.

I also look at strengh as a ratio of body weight vs. the weight of the lift. Or more simply how many times body weight you can lift. You certianly have more than body weight bench and looks like maybe a double body weight dead lift. The military press looks body weight as well. These are definitley not beginner type numbers. In fact they look solid but that squat needs a boost. I believe if you figure out the squat then a you’ll see a surprising spurt of progress everywhere else as well. Don’t be afraid to make squat day special if you need to. Good luck pal.

hey mikemike87.

I dont think my legs are long compared to the rest of my body, but I am not shure.
When it comes why I suck at squats, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I am a pussy LOL.
I train alone and with a rack that doesnt have any form of safety stuff. As an example, when I did 60kg
I where in another gym with a friend that spotted me.

So I think it has alot to do with fear and also the
fact that I havent trained it as consistently as the other big lifts. The good news is that I am starting
to like to squat, so my plan is to stay consistent with it and try to increase the weight with 2,5kg pr session untill I get to my true 5rm. ps. I do planks as a part of my warmup on all my days.

ps. I just quitted legpress because they are causing pain in the lowerback.

about the other thing: thank you, rarely someone calls my numbers solid haha. ps. I havent trained mp and deads for a while, so I think they are a bit lower at the moment, but I guess I get back there fast and hopefully beyond.

take care man:)

training 07.02.2011.

after warmup.

sumo-deadlift:
3x5x70kg. ( felt easy and good, maybe I try 80kg next deadlift session ).

pull ups:
5reps.
5reps.
6reps.

push ups:
10reps.
10reps.
21reps.

back raises:
3x10reps.

sit ups:
3x10reps.

comment:
Good session today :smiley:

training 10.02.2011.

after warmup.

militarypress:
5x25kg.
5x30kg.
6x35kg.
2x3x30kg.

chest supported machin row:
10x30kg.
10x40kg.
20x50kg.

DB lunges:
3x10x12,5kg pr DB.

comment:
Not very happy with the militarypress, I will try to beat that number next mp day.
row where great, I guess I can progress on that for a long time:)
lunges where ok.

Do you do military presses standing or sitting? And do you perform them in front of your head or behind?

[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
Do you do military presses standing or sitting? And do you perform them in front of your head or behind?[/quote]

standing with the bar in front of my body. If I had done them sitting or behind the head, It
wouldt have been militarypresses any more.

why do you ask?

It was bothering me wondering if you did the real thing or not. I’ve dropped the term military press from my vocab since too many people seem to think military press is anything pushing the bar overhead. In particular people like to call sitting at the smith machine and pressing over head indiscriminatly a military press.

[quote]mikemike87 wrote:
It was bothering me wondering if you did the real thing or not. I’ve dropped the term military press from my vocab since too many people seem to think military press is anything pushing the bar overhead. In particular people like to call sitting at the smith machine and pressing over head indiscriminatly a military press.[/quote]

Ok. I am bothered to ( to some extent, doesnt cry myself to sleep over it ) with peolple calling shoulderpresses a militarypress, or people calling
partial squats, full squats etc.

Agreed. I also miss the days when I could say “Squat” and not have to answer the follow up question “oh, front or back?”

[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
Agreed. I also miss the days when I could say “Squat” and not have to answer the follow up question “oh, front or back?”[/quote]

hahaha… I see your point, but where I come from we have two different names
for back and front squat. back squat is in norwegian: kneboey( kneebend ) and
front squat is: frontboey ( frontbend ), but I often use to just say boey and nobody
are confused, they know I meen back squats. what bothers me is people calling chestpress
in a nautilus machin a benchpress or brag about theire max in deadlift when what they really
are doing is rackpulls with straps LOL.

lol wow yea that IS frustrating!