Cycle Design Help - 16 yrs

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Hey. Gonna be transparent about my age here and then explain my reasons for making this post. I’ve been training for almost a year now, 8 months calisthenics before ever starting the gym (3 months ago). [Below are before and after photos/vids]

I’m 16, 6’1, 165-170lbs, around 13% Bf

Lifts: Bench PR: 200lbs, Squat PR: Literally don’t fucking know cus I don’t wanna die, Deadlift PR: 245lbs (probably like 320 rn tho)

My measurements are: Bideltoid Width: 19”, Waist Size: 28-29”, Hip Size: 30”

My diet: Plain Oatmeal with a shit load of cinnamon (for flavor/blood sugar control) + hella milk (for protein & bovine GH) | Rice + Eggs (protein/micronutrients) + olive oil/butter (hormone support) + a shit ton of cheese (protein)

I get a lot of my protein from dairy but yeah that’s all I eat. And that’s all I e been eating everyday straight for months.

Supplements I take:

  • 1000mg Tongkat Ali (test booster)
  • 1500mg Cistanche Tubulosa Extract (DHT boost)
  • 7.5mg Boron (decreases my SHBG)
  • 300mgs DIM (estrogen metabolism before bed)
  • 50mg Zinc (usually do this as a cruise dose, and then I cycle 100mgs of zinc for 3-4 weeks for androgen surge before it starts to downregulate 5a-reductase activity = lower DHT)
  • 10,000IUs Vitamin D3 (also a cruise dose, will do 20,000 for four weeks as well for testosterone boost before I start to accumulate calcification in my organs/arteries)
  • 800mgs Magnesium Glycinate (before bed/recovery)
  • DHEA (25mgs EOD for two weeks then I do two weeks off, and then after that do 50mgs ED for one week and then I take 6 weeks off for HPTA to recover)
  • 10g Creatine (lowk a shit responder so I need higher maintenance dose, 5g morning + 5g night before bed)

Goals?

Honestly, Just trying to find a compound that will Garner me the most results, while giving me minimal health side effects. It can be a steroid, SARM, SERM, anything. I know I’m sitting around 160lbs, so anything that’ll bring me up to about 190-195 (basically David laid at that point since we’re similar in height and insertions). I’ve talked to a lot of people over the months and they always tell me I look like David Laid and can ascend with 250mg Test E for 12 weeks, or just an MK677 only + Berberine cycle.

Even also looked into Enclomiphene + Proviron + Mk677 cycle. Just starting to look into Rad140 as one of my friends took it at a lower dose and then titrated up during the end of the cycle and then pcted with Enclomiphene. Also he used enclomiphene during the cycle as well to keep testosterone in tact and it lowk worked for him.

I’ve also thought about prohormones, Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals or Predator Nutrition (but they’re usually underdosed and expensive for unefficacious doses anyways). I’ve even seriously considered a Var only cycle. S

So right now I’m kinda in limbo and just need some guidance. I study biochemistry and pharmacology extensively so I know about drug pharmacokinetics (mechanisms of action) and how they affect different metabolic/health markers in the body. Basically, if I’m given an honest and thorough recommendation, I’ll likely look into it, see how it fits with my goals and my current regimen, then gauge if it’s a good fit with sourcing/PCT/dosing/ancillaries etc.

Honestly the reason why I haven’t pulled the trigger on anything yet is because I wanna be ONE HUNDRED FUCKING PERCENT sure on what I’m taking as a first cycle. Like I don’t wanna run something then. In the future wished I did something else instead.

So to any veterans or people willing to offer guidance to a young person like me (other than the “you’re too young, blah blah blah” bullshit I’ve been hit with over 100 times)

(Shit it won’t let me upload try PMing me and I can send my photos or look at “roid_freak_” on tiktok

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Everyone is going to tell you it’s a bad idea because it’s a bad idea.

Develop a full formed pre-frontal cortex before you dabble in manipulating your endocrine system.

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Food is what you need.
Learn how to eat and train. Contrary to popular belief drugs are a very small part of the equation.
You haven’t even been training 6 months.

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Most on here arent going to advise someone your age on this site on what you want to know.

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Poor thing…
Maybe pay your dues first.

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Yup. Honestly these posts should be locked by mods.

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My hope would be that enough people saying “this is a bad idea” would help the dude understand that this is a bad idea.

But yeah, if anyone tries to sell this kid drugs from here, it’s going to go poorly for all involved.

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Unfortunately “immediate gratification” is pretty strong anymore.

Glad to hear that.

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Unfortunately “immediate gratification” is pretty strong anymore.

Not a recent thing. We have ancient Greek parables warning us about it. But there is something to be said about the value of repetition.

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Don’t you believe that you are just too weak to be relying on AAS?

But second thought, if you are too afraid to squat, you probably have low T.

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I have learned how to eat and train it’s literally in my post

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Is there a reason you do not eat meat?

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No you haven’t. It takes Marie than few months to figure out your body and what works /doesnt. Your stats tell me otherwise.
A person your age has a ton of natty gains to make. Your body/brain are still developing. Taking gear at this stage is not a good idea. I didn’t start anything until I was in my forties.
This is not a sprint. Good quality muscle takes a long time to build. You have 0 base. Drugs will only rent you muscle. Then you will pct and lose it all. On top of that you’re taking a chance that your natty test levels will not return. You also risk your body not finishing its development properly.
I know you see all the online crap and think drugs are the answer but they are not. You’ve just been told by multiple people with much more experience that what you think on you wanna do is not a good idea. I think you should listen.

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If you are afraid to squat, you have at least one more lesson to learn about training.

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Why such a low weight at 6’1"?
Oh, that’s right. You are afraid to squat.

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Let’s suppose that you have good genetics for responding to AAS. If you have good results putting on muscle, you will likely become Mr. Stretch Marks.

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Down the road, in a gym far away
A young man was heard to say,
"No matter what I do, my legs won’t grow!
He tried leg extensions, leg curls, leg presses too.

Trying to cheat, these sissy workouts he’d do!
From the corner of the gym where the big guys train,
Through a cloud of chalk and the midst of pain,
Where the big iron rides high, and threaten lives,
Where the noise is made with big forty-fives,
A deep voice bellowed as he wrapped his knees,
A very big man with legs like trees,
Laughing as he snatched another plate from the stack,
Chalked his hands and monstrous back,
Said, "Boy, stop lying and don’t say you’ve forgotten!
Trouble with you is you ain’t been SQUATTIN’!

Jeff Madden, UNC

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God thats a classic… I remember reading that when I was the Ops age.

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I am willing to help you any way that I can. Ask a question that is not centered around AAS. Your height will be a challenge to have a symmetrical physique. I was 6’0" and 165lbs at 19 years old when I started lifting weights. Maybe my path would shed some light as how to achieve the results that you obviously greatly desire.

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At the top of the OP the kid says he’s between 165-170. Then later says he’s 160. What is it? If he is that obsessed about his weight he should know down to the 1/10th of a pound. And he doesn’t eat meat?! Lol!

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