Welll…. That means one think doesn’t it?
Eat eat eat & train
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Bro you’ve only been training 8 months at least build a solid foundation before taking anything maybe 5 to 6 years
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Im guessing waiting that long isnt on the table for this guy … I got a feeling that this is about getting social media likes in a hurry and less about actually being into lifting and the process. I could be wrong.
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You don’t use PEDs before squatting 440 lbs for a strict 1RM. Period.
A rebuttal
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Indeed. But not exactly what the OP needs to hear/see. Considering PEDs while negating squats for no real reason, is in line with an undeveloped pre-frontal cortex…
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OP’s circle of friends have no real weight lifting experiences. A person can cling to ridiculous understanding of optimal lifting programs, and do so for decades regardless of his brain development. Example: When I started lifting weights it was a common held belief that weightlifting made you muscle bound. And that came from people with highly developed brains.
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It was the “period” that compelled me. As a not for real philosopher (but I play one on the internet), absolutes drive me to find exceptions.
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I wouldn’t be listening to this guy. Would be interesting to know how many IFBB pro’s squatted 200kg naturally before hopping on.
To the OP, I’ve looked at your tiktok and I see potential. I do think you need to not worry about putting on some fat along with muscle but I know that for someone your age you want to stay as lean as possible. I have a brother your age who is stubborn like that.
Some simple advice from someone who isn’t going to tell you to wait 10 years before starting the drugs:
Take a year to eat 3000/3500/4000/4500 calories per day, train 5/6 times per weak looking to progessively overload on each lift and session. Do not diet, that’s a waste of muscle building time, you are still so young. I think you could put on 50lbs and still have good shape and be relatively lean, then a short diet phase and you can think about the drugs then.
If he couldn’t squat 200kg natural, he very likely had no chance of being an IFBB pro bodybuilder. (Men’s Physique doesn’t count.)
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What makes you say that? Why does the weight he can squat correlate to having a top physique? Why would bodybuilders care about 1RM?
It’s funny you say mens physique doesn’t count when those guys are in better shape than the forum members too.
Simple percentages calculate your one rep max. You don’t need to do a max single to know what your likely capability is.
Pick a weight. See how many reps you can do. For those who don’t train for powerlifting it is about 2% for each rep you can do.
Example: If you can squat 400lbs for 10 reps, you can likely squat 500lbs for a single.
80% of 200kg (for 1 rep max) equates to 160kg for 10 reps.
That doesn’t explain why bodybuilders would care about their strength though. You can look like a bodybuilder without having to move heavy weights. There’s a “natural” bodybuilder I worked with from Australia who has crazy legs, yet he only got up to 160ish kilo squats. Trying to tell him that he needs to hit 200kg before thinking about gear is absolutely absurd.
Most Men’s Physique competitors don’t train their thighs intensely. The judges don’t judge anything below the top of their suit. It is far from bodybuilding by about 50%. Being in Men’ Physique shape says zero about their lower body strength.
Interesting you say that, whilst I agree to an extent, the IFBB pro’s do have good legs, obviously not on a par with the open guys, but certainly better than the majority here have. Going a bit away from the topic but telling them they needed to squat 200kg before hopping on gear seems a bit off no?
Strength is an indication of your muscle mass.
A bodybuilder who is only capable of squatting 160kg for reps is either an outlier or lower weight than most that make the pro’s. Most bodybuilders are much stronger than you must believe.
I believe that bodybuilders are strong, but they don’t require the same weights that powerlifters do to grow muscle.
Telling a 16 year old he must squat 200kg before using drugs is silly, because most top bodybuilders start drugs relatively young, before they may even have built the strength to squat that weight. The squatting of 200kg is irrelevent to their goals.
I am only saying that they have the genetic potential to easily squat 200kg naturally. I am not saying that they MUST squat 200kg before taking AAS.
It seems odd to me that anyone would ever question that.
Ah okay, well that’s what the guy said that I was disagreeing with.
How do you know they have the natural genetic potential to squat 200kg? I don’t understand your reasoning that if you want to turn pro then you will have had to have that base level of squat strength when it doesn’t directly correlate to how big you can grow your legs.