nice work ruining the thread. Who advocated ADDING fast food into the diet? Just because someone does not advocate AGAINST not being averse to adding fast food occassionally does not mean one adviocates adding fast food into the diet.
There is a difference, youngblood. Don;t let eating clean be your excuse against adding enough calories to grow. Nobody guves a shit how clean you ate if you look the same year after year.
And no, no one says you have to be at 15% bodyfat to make gains, but if thats what you need to be at, then so be it. Point is that don;t let a single number rule you to the point of limiting your mass and strength gains and let that become your excuse for not putting on sufficient mass and strength (Well, EXCUSE ME for not gaining more than X pounds of muscle, I was trying to stay below 12%) If you can gain at 12%, awesome.
If you can gain mass at 9%, awesome. if your bf gets close to 20% but youre adding mass and strength, well, thats the game. But if you feel your bf rising disproportionately, take a step back and re-assess. Don;t be ruled by a number.
You know, whats the fucking point of it all? One weedy kid walks in and ruins the thread.
[quote]coloradosteve2 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
coloradosteve2 wrote:
My only gripe about this whole thread are people advocating fast food. While I can understand consuming 4000 cals per day eating steak, chicken, pork, and fish, to achieve whatever goal, I see the idea of 4000 calories as just 4000 calories being ridiculous. Nobody should be advocating putting fast food into anybodies diet, ever.
You miss the point…the most important one being the pursuit of results and not simply following an agenda regardless of what the results are.
You, specifically, advocate including fast food into the diet of people looking to achieve their desired bodybuilding goals, in particular, those that were of very low weight and low bodyfat%. So, no, I didn’t miss anything. You have also advocated that to increase your results, you need to be at a bf of about 15% or so. Well, I imagine if your agenda includes fast food, than, yes, it would take a higher % of bodyfat to make any gains in anyway.
Yes, I follow “agendas” to include being a devout Poliquin follower. I follow Vince Giranda’s “agenda” diet ideas along with CT’s “agenda” diet to some degree but he hates saturated fat for whatever reason. These “agendas” have produced results that have made me a happy camper.
To some degree we must all follow somebodies "agenda" as I'm sure we don't have an a priori knowledge of what weightlifting method to use or what weightlifting is, and it is self-evident we all believe we are searching for the best results. I am for certain, though, if some has found the path to "perfect results", I know they are full of shit.
Do I have goals, of course, I want to max out 300 in the incline bench press, and a 450 lb deadlift without having to be at 15% bodyfat. Hmmm, what "agendas" would work for me. Not yours, obviously. Should I try some of Ian King's 234234234 waves that got me a bench press max of 325? [/quote]