CSCS Question - Push Press

This is a frustrating question for me, it’s taken directly from the CSCS test. I’ve asked several colleagues, friends, etc. and everyone seems to have a problem with it.

Q: During the upward movement phase of the push press exercise the:

I. knees and hips remain fully extended
II. quadriceps muscles are agonists
III. triceps brachii and anterior deltoids are agonists
IV. shoulder joints are initially hyperextended

A. I and III only
B. II and III only
C. I and IV only
D. II and IV only

The NSCA book “The Essentials of Strength and Conditioning” says about the push press:

  1. “the bar is ‘pressed out’ to the overhead position, with the hips and knees remaining fully extended after the thrust”
  2. “Upward Movement Phase: Dip
    Slightly flex the hips and knees…”
  3. “Upward Movement Phase: Drive
    Forcefully and quickly extend the hips and knees”
  4. Major muscles involved: “…vastus lateralis, vastus intermedius, rectus femoris…”

I know that III is correct, but I think that I and II are right too. WTF? Anyone?

The dont REMAIN fully extended…they are forcefully extended…

I isn’t right because the knees and hips “flex” as opposed to remain fully extended. In a strict military press the knees and hips would remain fully extended. I’d say. Because during the upward phase there is flexion. It’s after that they remain extended.

Goddammit i hate the content in this shit. Esp the ones that imply you know shit about American football. I know a bit but fuck that. Why should i have to know what all the positions of american foot ball do?

You get this off the sample exams? Im gunna buy those today how do you like them?

-chris

II is more correct than I. The knees and hips do not start the upward movement phase fully extended, but the quads are most definitely agonists.

The CSCS exam is full of BS questions like this, where they try to trick you with the wording of the question. I’m not a fan.

I. is wrong because:
-Question is about “the upward movement phase”
-You just quoted the book as saying that during “the the upward movement phase” you flex the hips and knees. Thus, they do not remain fully extended.

Wow I just cant wait to sit this test in 3 weeks.

-chris

It depends on how the upward phase is defined. Upward meaning the bar only, or the momentum created by the lower body plus the motion of the bar.

My answer would be B.

[quote]jjphenomenon wrote:
This is a frustrating question for me, it’s taken directly from the CSCS test. I’ve asked several colleagues, friends, etc. and everyone seems to have a problem with it.

Q: During the upward movement phase of the push press exercise the:

I. knees and hips remain fully extended
[/quote]
The portion of the push press involving force application combines active knee and hip extension, but when the bar really starts to move off the clavicles the knees are generally in complete extension and the hips are in moderate extension, but not what I would call full. It seems to me that the semantics of what ‘fully’ means in this question is key in deciding whether I. is true or not.[quote]
II. quadriceps muscles are agonists
[/quote]If the upward movement phase, as defined by the NSCA, includes all actions after the ‘dip’ to initiate the myotatic stretch reflex, then this would be true. Active knee extension to produce force would qualify the quadriceps as agonistic muscles.[quote]
III. triceps brachii and anterior deltoids are agonists
[/quote]This has to be the case.[quote]
IV. shoulder joints are initially hyperextended
[/quote]I wouldn’t say this is the case. Glenohumeral extension, taken from the anatomical position, involves extending the humerus posteriorly in the sagittal plane. Hyper infers “extreme” extension, and it is clear that the glenohumeral joint is in moderate flexion to initiate the push press in my concept of the ‘upward phase of the movement’.[quote]

A. I and III only
B. II and III only
C. I and IV only
D. II and IV only

The NSCA book “The Essentials of Strength and Conditioning” says about the push press:

  1. “the bar is ‘pressed out’ to the overhead position, with the hips and knees remaining fully extended after the thrust”
  2. “Upward Movement Phase: Dip
    Slightly flex the hips and knees…”
  3. “Upward Movement Phase: Drive
    Forcefully and quickly extend the hips and knees”
  4. Major muscles involved: “…vastus lateralis, vastus intermedius, rectus femoris…”

I know that III is correct, but I think that I and II are right too. WTF? Anyone?
[/quote]

This is an example of poor test writing. It is very common, to be honest. They should have explicitly described which portion of the movement is what they describe as the ‘upward movement phase’. This is a necessary qualification for the learner to make an educated response. The ‘upward movement phase’ could include the path of the bar off of the shoulders, which would occur after active knee and hip extension, and, depending on form, ankle plantarflexion. Alternatively, the upward movement phase could include the path of the barbell off of the shoulders, and exclude the portion of the movement where the barbell is on the shoulder.

This may seem like over-analysis. In a way, it is. But the point of this post is that everyone thinks differently. The semantics of a question must be considered in proper test making, and, as we see here, it is common for the test-writer to assume that the learner thinks exactly the same as they do.

To be honest, jjphenomenon, it seems to me that the answer would be ‘B’.

Good luck, man.

To be honest, we all have to pay our dues and deal with bullshit questions like this. The great thing is that when you have your CSCS, you have the credibility to tell other people what’s up instead of sitting around nodding your head like I have to do for another year.

BTW, I was a paid intern for an IT company for some time. Analyzing, rewriting, and creating CourseWare is something I love to do. Hence the preceding shenanigans.

Again, good luck :slight_smile:

[quote]Avocado wrote:
You get this off the sample exams? Im gunna buy those today how do you like them?

-chris[/quote]

I got the sample tests and videos from the head strength coach and a trainer at the school where I work. I think you’ve gotta have them. You start with a good base of knowledge from working in the field, read the book, think you have a good grasp of the information, then you read the questions and realize that you better study a little more in depth.

It’s good to have an idea of what kind of questions are on the test so you don’t get thrown when you’re taking it. Questions about H-zones, m-lines, tropomyosin, hematocrit, 2nd class levers…Nasty. Some of them have really tricky wording, like they’re deliberately trying to screw you.

B.
What problem do you have with it?

How could I. be right? a push press involves the legs. Your knees and hips could not be fully extended through the movement if they are moving. Maybe the wording got you?

[quote]Flow wrote:
jjphenomenon wrote:
This is a frustrating question for me, it’s taken directly from the CSCS test. I’ve asked several colleagues, friends, etc. and everyone seems to have a problem with it.

Q: During the upward movement phase of the push press exercise the:

I. knees and hips remain fully extended

The portion of the push press involving force application combines active knee and hip extension, but when the bar really starts to move off the clavicles the knees are generally in complete extension and the hips are in moderate extension, but not what I would call full. It seems to me that the semantics of what ‘fully’ means in this question is key in deciding whether I. is true or not.
[/quote]

I disagree I feel like most people push press at the same time. rather than extend the legs then push withthe shoulders. If you do it that way it kind of kills the momentum from the legs.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Flow wrote:
jjphenomenon wrote:
This is a frustrating question for me, it’s taken directly from the CSCS test. I’ve asked several colleagues, friends, etc. and everyone seems to have a problem with it.

Q: During the upward movement phase of the push press exercise the:

I. knees and hips remain fully extended

The portion of the push press involving force application combines active knee and hip extension, but when the bar really starts to move off the clavicles the knees are generally in complete extension and the hips are in moderate extension, but not what I would call full. It seems to me that the semantics of what ‘fully’ means in this question is key in deciding whether I. is true or not.

I disagree I feel like most people push press at the same time. rather than extend the legs then push withthe shoulders. If you do it that way it kind of kills the momentum from the legs.
[/quote]

On second thought, you’re right.

Even so, I think it would be important to know what they mean by ‘fully’ in the context of that question.

Hip extension has up to 15 degrees of motion past the anatomical position in most cases. During a pushpress there is a maximum distance you’d want to extend the hips, but I don’t think it’d be fully extended in an anatomical sense.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
B.
What problem do you have with it?

How could I. be right? a push press involves the legs. Your knees and hips could not be fully extended through the movement if they are moving. Maybe the wording got you?[/quote]

This is the problem I have with it:
The NSCA book “The Essentials of Strength and Conditioning” says about the push press:

  1. “the bar is ‘pressed out’ to the overhead position, with the hips and knees remaining fully extended after the thrust”

Probably the wording.

very poor test writing.

my answer is B.

get ready for alot of these types of questions. eliminate the obvious incorrect answers and widdle it down from there. try to over analyze and spend too much time on one question.

good luck!

[quote]jjphenomenon wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
B.
What problem do you have with it?

How could I. be right? a push press involves the legs. Your knees and hips could not be fully extended through the movement if they are moving. Maybe the wording got you?

This is the problem I have with it:
The NSCA book “The Essentials of Strength and Conditioning” says about the push press:

  1. “the bar is ‘pressed out’ to the overhead position, with the hips and knees remaining fully extended after the thrust”

Probably the wording.[/quote]

If that’s what they say, then it is best to go with it.

However, just as Airtruth corrected me on, the knees and hips are not actually fully extended for the entire ‘thrust’ of the movement. They are actually in slightly flexed positions when the force is applied to the bar and it begins its ‘upward movement phase’.

[quote]jjphenomenon wrote:
Avocado wrote:
You get this off the sample exams? Im gunna buy those today how do you like them?

-chris

I got the sample tests and videos from the head strength coach and a trainer at the school where I work. I think you’ve gotta have them. You start with a good base of knowledge from working in the field, read the book, think you have a good grasp of the information, then you read the questions and realize that you better study a little more in depth.

It’s good to have an idea of what kind of questions are on the test so you don’t get thrown when you’re taking it. Questions about H-zones, m-lines, tropomyosin, hematocrit, 2nd class levers…Nasty. Some of them have really tricky wording, like they’re deliberately trying to screw you. [/quote]

Yeah there are some tricks. Ideally speaking It will be workable using test-taking skills as well as raw knowledge.

And the thing is sometimes their questions are totally normal but I forget what kinda ideology they are coming from and cant remember if they think bench or leg press is a better test for a football O linemans strength [example]. Both are shitty answers.

-chris