Crossfit Idea

Following from the heated muscle up conversation on this board, I thought I’d post my own appraoch to crossfit. Basically ,I wanted a way of maintaining and maybe even improving the strength I have earned over the past few months (using Waterbury and Thibaudeau workouts) while increasing my gpp levels and work capacity. I dabble in mma, (train about 3 times a week) and want something that will support this without burning me out.

I also wanted to keep the randomness of crossfit, as it has been scientifcally proven that change is as good as a holiday. So it’s like I’m on holiday every day.

Here is what I’ve come up with, please critique:

X-fit template

? 3 days on/one day off - this suits my work schedule very nicely
? 8 day cycles
? monthly testing
? use of crossfit ?girls? as fitness barometers
? use Dan John?s dice man protocol for randomness

General template
Day one ? ‘one lift a day’ upper body
Day two ? metabolic conditioning
Day three ? OLAD lower body
Day four ? rest
Day five ? metabolic conditioning
Day six ? OLAD total body
Day seven ? metabolic conditioning

Section One ? OLAD Groupings
Roll 1 = the exercise
Roll 2 = the workout

Roll Upper body Lower Body Total Body
1 Bench press Box squat Power clean
2 Push press Front squat Hang snatch
3 Floor press o-h squat Deadlift
4 Military press Back squat Any rack pull
5 Incline bench Good morning Clean and press
6 Weighted chin Olympic squat Thrusters

OLAD Workouts

1 4 x 6
2 10 x 3 Waterbury method
3 5,3,2,5,3,2 wave method
4 7x5
5 55 reps anyway
6 Escalating density style

Section Two ? Metabolic conditioning template
Roll 1 = the workout
Rolls 2 onwards = the exercises

1 5 rounds for time
2 3 rounds for time
3 20 mins of:
4 For time:
5 X rounds of 1 min each of:
6 Tabata something

Group One exercises ? aerobic emphasis
1 Row
2 Run
3 Rope jumping
4 Wall ball or thrusters
5 Burpees or mountain climbers
6 Row

Group two exercises ? muscular endurance
1 Db snatch or clean and press
2 Chins or hspu
3 Box jumps or squats
4 Dips or press ups
5 Db swings, clean and press or squats
6 Chins or hspu

Group three exercises ? gymnastic exercises
1 HSPU or chins
2 Pass throughs
3 Hanging leg raises
4 pistols
5 HSPU or chins
6 Glute ham raises

Section Three ? ?The Girls?
1 ?Helen? ? 3 x row 400, db swing x 21, chins x 12
2 ?Fran? ? 21-15-9 reps of bb thrusters, chins
3 ?Chelsea? ? 20 mins of 5 pull ups, 10 push ups, 15 sq?s
4 ?Lynne? ? 3 x bw bench, chins, max reps
5 ?Fight gone bad?
6 ?Diane? ? 21-15-9 reps of deadlift, chins

Once a month I will test my maxes on the 3 big lifts, a 5k run, and max reps of chins dips and hspu’s, (not on the same day obviously, as that would be spasticated).

Post workout I will spend 10 or so mins working on weaknesses - read: doing accessory work in a more conventional style.

Sounds complicated as shit. Sounds like you’re just like me and want to work every aspect of training at once. Try it out and post some results

Looks very good–let us know how that goes. I’m doing something similar.

To me, its seem like you’re trying to work too much at one time. I use to want to do something of the sort, because I did not want to have a lagging muscle group and etc…

Not having read some of the programs you’ve sighted I pose this. Why not use four week cycles while alternating between the programs (sounds vague). I have found this usefull in the fact that it allows me to use alot of the lifts and programs I want use without sacrificing hard earned gains and progress,

Just my opinion

  1. I don’t know if changing exercises weekly (in OLAD workout) is such a good idea. From what I understood (and tried), using the same exercise for the complete cycle is a key thing since you specialize on that exercise for a cycle.

  2. When/how do you plan do unload? The original cycle (7x5, 6x3, 532) presents a period of concentrated loading and must be followed by period of unloading.
    Maybe you don’t have to take a week off (although I Dan recommended it you probably should), but then you need to make a sharp decrease in volume and/or intensity.

For, more info, check Jack Reape’s articles here, and also on Pavel’s site (Dragon Door).

ok, that 1st post was a bitof a stream of consciousness type thing. I’ve since refined some of the ideas and come up with the following:

Weeks 1-3
day 1 - olad upper body
day 2 - one of the crossfit ‘girls’ to benchmark my progress against other cfers
day 3 - olad lower body
day 4 off
day 5 a crossfit workout
day 6 - olad total body
day 7 - a crossfit workout
day 8 - off

week 4
lower volume workouts, cease olad days

week 5
test week - test maxes on various compound lifts, test max reps on certain key bodyweight exercises, row or run something for time, (remember this is for al round conditioning, not just strength).
Test weeks will occur every second cycle.

Look why don’t you just go out and do the following:

“Five rounds for time of:
Run 400 meters
30 box jump, 24 inch box
30 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball”

That should build more muscle than any program ever created, with the exception of Bodybuilders on steroids of course :slight_smile:

he didn’t say he wanted to build muscle. He said he wants to improve his work capacity and GPP. I am not a follower of Crossfit but it will get you in shape. Probably better fitness in terms of stamina and work capacity than most programs on this site. Build more muscle? No way. But I guess all you need for fitness is pullups right?

Brad:

As I have stated on numerous occasions crossfit will get you in great cardio shape!

My comment was directed toward the insistance by some crossfitters, including their Coach that crossfit will build more muscle than anything with the exception of bodybuilders (on a standard bodybuilding routine) doing steroids, that’s ridiculous! Don’t you agree?

As far as your Pull-up comment, have I ever made the claim that Pull-ups are the only movement that you need? In fact, I have made many claims that multi-joint movements are the most beneficial to building muscle. See (more recently) “William Boone’s Training” thread, among others that I have contributed to or begun.

Actually, I remember about a month (or more) ago where you stated something on the order of Pull-ups and Dips being a staple in your own program. Were they good then, but not so good now? I think Somehow you felt threatened by my comment regarding crossfit so you attempted to belittle me.

Have you ever done the crossfit routine for any length of time? Just wondering what your own results were.

Take care.

I am not threatened. And I do think pulllups are one of the best exercises there is. I mentioned them to mirror your own post which was a cheap shot at Crossfit for no reason. You agree that it gets you into shape. That is what the original poster was saying he wanted. He didn’t mention building muscle. I completely agree that it isn’t the best way to build muscle. But I did do it for a few months and it got me into amazing shape. I probably lost size on it. My point is that your post was simply there to belittle Crossfit and in turn the guys workout. I think you are the one who is threatened. You seem pretty sensitive to alternatives. Relax.

Bleh, I personally feel you can train cardio and weighlifting on different days or in different sessions on the same day. To do then both together is bleh…

BradS.

You think exposing crossfits false claim warrants an attempt to belittle me?

I’m sorry Brad, I would have to disagree with you there. However, no hard feelings on my end.

Their claims of building size had nothing to do with the post or topic. Again, the original poster was talking about getting in shape. Your ‘exposure’ came out of left field. I didn’t belittle you in any case. The pullup comment was sarcasm. I am glad you have no hard feelings, neither do I.

[quote]BradS wrote:
I am not threatened. And I do think pulllups are one of the best exercises there is. I mentioned them to mirror your own post which was a cheap shot at Crossfit for no reason. You agree that it gets you into shape. That is what the original poster was saying he wanted. He didn’t mention building muscle. I completely agree that it isn’t the best way to build muscle. But I did do it for a few months and it got me into amazing shape. I probably lost size on it. My point is that your post was simply there to belittle Crossfit and in turn the guys workout. I think you are the one who is threatened. You seem pretty sensitive to alternatives. Relax. [/quote]

Well said.

[quote]Ross Hunt wrote:
BradS wrote:
I am not threatened. And I do think pulllups are one of the best exercises there is. I mentioned them to mirror your own post which was a cheap shot at Crossfit for no reason. You agree that it gets you into shape. That is what the original poster was saying he wanted. He didn’t mention building muscle. I completely agree that it isn’t the best way to build muscle. But I did do it for a few months and it got me into amazing shape. I probably lost size on it. My point is that your post was simply there to belittle Crossfit and in turn the guys workout. I think you are the one who is threatened. You seem pretty sensitive to alternatives. Relax.

Well said.[/quote]

LOL :slight_smile:

There was a claim that doing CrossFit WODs increases size of muscles to the likeness of hypertrophy workouts found here on T-Nation?

Or is this a matter of interpreting what is “building muscle”.

Based on possibly different interpretations of what is considered “building muscle”, CrossFit’s claim isn’t false and neither claims of a hypertrophy or strength specific program found here or elsewhere. The difference is what POV reads into it. A bodybuilding hypertrophy POV or plain hypertrophy POV and an overall conditioning POV where it isn’t always believed that big muscles equates to strong, powerful, agile, etc.

The claim of “building muscle” isn’t the main concern or prime motivation behind the WODs either, so it sounds like the use of “builing muscle” is a mere filler used in the early months of CrossFit. In other words to attempt to appeal to a size-increase obsessed group of people. Losing needed size and strength hasn’t been a problem for me when doing CrossFit. You figure with all that high rep work it would, but it’s not the same for everybody.

One thing that critics of CrossFit tend to forget when arguing about it is that it’s not closed-minded as a training program. It’s a member attitude of close-mindedness in CrossFit. It takes the individual member to defuse such retardation of physical growth. ZEB got that right about some members praising that CrossFit is all there is. While that does irritate people, it’s something so small that it’s insignificant. Why bother, just train.