Cro Cop Sux

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[quote]almostabb wrote:
PGJ wrote:
nikolo wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:
nikolo wrote:
My heart can not take much more of these upsets.

Does anyone know the condition of Cro Cop’s leg?

I was wondering that myself. It looks like he definitely could have some knee and ankle damage.

As he left the ring, he was not assisted, nor did he have a limp to speak of.

Being that he was out before his knee twisted under him, I am betting that the damage to his knee was minimal.

I hope you’re right. I know sometimes, when an injury first happens, it does not seem to be too serious. The next day usually tells the tale. His toes were pointing at his ass after all. Seeing that makes me shudder and yet I can’t stop watching.

Cro Cop doesn’t suck, but he definately didn’t seem to take this fight very seriously. Wasn’t very active.

Does this finally put the bed the idea that the K-1 guys would mop the floor with the UFC guys? Cro Cop was SUPPOSED to simply have his way with the UFC, decapitating each opponent with ease.

Now, Arlovski was a HUGE disappointment.

I don’t think K-1 guys could mop the floor with ufc guys at all. However, Pride is a different story, they got the best fighters in the world. But it seems to me Cro Cop is either not training very hard or not very interested in fighting at the moment.

In his previous fight he was also sluggish and looked like he was falling asleep. He was able to get away with it because he fought some noob, this time he wasn’t so lucky. [/quote]

Woops! Sorry, I meant Pride.

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[quote]lucasa wrote:
Donut62 wrote:

Brutal, brutal, brrrrutal KO.

Until I saw him sitting up, there was a little part of me that thought he might be dead.[/quote]

Me too. Or at least crippled from the neck down. The fact that he got up and walked out shows me that he is one hard Mo-Fo. I’m surprised Gonzales didn’t break his own ankle with that kick.

Ironically, the nastiest KO I’ve seen besides this one is when Cro Cop blasted “The Beast” Bob Sapp with a straight left to the eye that broke Sapps skull.

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“Interesting” thread. What I find interesting is that so many say, “Cro Cop is great!” without saying, well, what makes a fighter great. Sure, Cro Cop has won a lot of fights; but has he beaten a great fighter? If so, why was the fighter he beat great?

Sure, winning matters, as no one can be a great fighter if he has a losing record. (He can be a good fighter, but not great.) But if you are beating weak fighters, are you great?

If you can’t articulate what makes a fighter great, then you’re really no more educated on the subject than the guy who rarely watches MMA matches. All you can really say is, “I watch a lot of TV. Cro Cop wins when I watch him on TV.”

That does not make for a compelling argument.

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This thread needs another gif but this one focusing on the look of shock and horror on herb deans face before he gingerly reset cro cops horribly mangled leg from underneath him. You know someone got fucked up when the ref cant even look…

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WTF? Is his career done? Is he too small?

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Crocop fought in Japan’s Pride organization for years, and there are no laws or rules about steroids there. I suspect his natural T production has been ruined, as seen in his complete lack of aggression.

He might have a little bit of brain damage after over 50 fights and over a decade of training, too. His ring age is simply far beyond his natural age, but luckily, MMA requires so many skills, it will hopefully force damaged fighters to retire much earlier than in boxing, where you have your Alis and Quarrys.

He was a kickboxer before he did MMA, and has (er, had…) a very aggressive style, so I’m surprised he didn’t start slowing down much earlier in his career. Overall, the fact that he was a top 3 fighter just a single year ago points at the fact that he’s fighting in an organization that tests for drugs now. Besides aggression, he has lost a lot of muscle as well…

He will be a legend forever (like the 80’s Tyson), but today, Crocop is like the late career of Iron Mike: a shadow. The old Crocop will be sorely missed. The current Crocop deserves our upmost respect no matter how bad he does; the man has had an incredible life and I would definitely say he’s a role model for the T men out there.

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[quote]Higher Game wrote:
Crocop fought in Japan’s Pride organization for years, and there are no laws or rules about steroids there. I suspect his natural T production has been ruined, as seen in his complete lack of aggression.

He might have a little bit of brain damage after over 50 fights and over a decade of training, too. His ring age is simply far beyond his natural age, but luckily, MMA requires so many skills, it will hopefully force damaged fighters to retire much earlier than in boxing, where you have your Alis and Quarrys.

He was a kickboxer before he did MMA, and has (er, had…) a very aggressive style, so I’m surprised he didn’t start slowing down much earlier in his career. Overall, the fact that he was a top 3 fighter just a single year ago points at the fact that he’s fighting in an organization that tests for drugs now. Besides aggression, he has lost a lot of muscle as well…

He will be a legend forever (like the 80’s Tyson), but today, Crocop is like the late career of Iron Mike: a shadow. The old Crocop will be sorely missed. The current Crocop deserves our upmost respect no matter how bad he does; the man has had an incredible life and I would definitely say he’s a role model for the T men out there.[/quote]

Never thought of that angle but it is very plausible.

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I think he’s just mentally burnt out…possible because he’s had a zillion fights between K-1,Pride.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Higher Game wrote:
Crocop fought in Japan’s Pride organization for years, and there are no laws or rules about steroids there. I suspect his natural T production has been ruined, as seen in his complete lack of aggression.

He might have a little bit of brain damage after over 50 fights and over a decade of training, too. His ring age is simply far beyond his natural age, but luckily, MMA requires so many skills, it will hopefully force damaged fighters to retire much earlier than in boxing, where you have your Alis and Quarrys.

He was a kickboxer before he did MMA, and has (er, had…) a very aggressive style, so I’m surprised he didn’t start slowing down much earlier in his career. Overall, the fact that he was a top 3 fighter just a single year ago points at the fact that he’s fighting in an organization that tests for drugs now. Besides aggression, he has lost a lot of muscle as well…

He will be a legend forever (like the 80’s Tyson), but today, Crocop is like the late career of Iron Mike: a shadow. The old Crocop will be sorely missed. The current Crocop deserves our upmost respect no matter how bad he does; the man has had an incredible life and I would definitely say he’s a role model for the T men out there.

Never thought of that angle but it is very plausible.[/quote]

I’m not saying steroids didn’t play a factor, I honestly don’t know one way or the other, but Mirko has lost a lot more than hormones.

He has always had these slumps that he would fall into, but none have lasted two fights. I think he didn’t see Gonzaga as any kind of threat. Why would he? Mirko has defeated Alexander Emlianenko, Wanderlei Silva, Barnett 3 times, Randleman, Coleman, and tons of other very tough opponents, what chance does this guy have?

No one else gave Gonzaga a snowball’s chance in hell, and honestly, I think Randy was saving face when he said he picked Gonzaga to win, but that’s a whole other thread. So, all of the sudden he gits ko’d by this guy and the realization sets in that he can lose to anyone. That has got to be hard to deal with. That’s where Tyson fell apart as well after his loss to Buster Douglas. I really don’t expect Mirko to fight after his contract is up. You can’t really even rank him in the top 10 heavyweights anymore, not after two losses to unranked guys.

I agree with Higher Game, the old CroCop will be missed.

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God,Im just depressed beyond words. Nobody remebered my B-day,Crocop might possibly quit fighting…Whats next? Igor croaking?

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Damn! He just wasn’t hungry (again). Maybe Mirko just has too much on his plate being a family man, member of parliment and a world class fighter. I had heard something also about him overtraining too, not leaving enough time for recovery. Anyways, fight was nowhere near as intense as the lighter weight classes. Still has my respect though.

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Remember that Cro Cop is still a very small heavyweight. In fact, due to weight cutting, there are many light heavyweights larger than Mirko! Cro Cop might have a few good fights left in him if he takes a year or so off and moves down to light heavyweight. He isn’t fighting in a ring anymore, where you can trap a bigger opponent in a corner; he’s in a cage, and his small size is a bigger factor to consider.

Fedor actually said he was upset Mirko didn’t take a year off after the Gonzaga knockout, due to the possibility of brain damage. A football concussion can mean suspension until the next season, and MMA should be the same way. I’m just happy Kongo went for heavy body kicks and knees, even the groin shots, instead of kicking Mirko’s head in again. He also wasn’t very aggressive, by Kongo standards. I think what he did was actually respectful to the legend, and I hope to see Kongo do well in his career.

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[quote]mr_slick wrote:
God,Im just depressed beyond words. Nobody remebered my B-day,Crocop might possibly quit fighting…Whats next? Igor croaking?[/quote]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

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[quote]Higher Game wrote:
Crocop fought in Japan’s Pride organization for years, and there are no laws or rules about steroids there. I suspect his natural T production has been ruined, as seen in his complete lack of aggression.

He might have a little bit of brain damage after over 50 fights and over a decade of training, too. His ring age is simply far beyond his natural age, but luckily, MMA requires so many skills, it will hopefully force damaged fighters to retire much earlier than in boxing, where you have your Alis and Quarrys.

He was a kickboxer before he did MMA, and has (er, had…) a very aggressive style, so I’m surprised he didn’t start slowing down much earlier in his career. Overall, the fact that he was a top 3 fighter just a single year ago points at the fact that he’s fighting in an organization that tests for drugs now. Besides aggression, he has lost a lot of muscle as well…

He will be a legend forever (like the 80’s Tyson), but today, Crocop is like the late career of Iron Mike: a shadow. The old Crocop will be sorely missed. The current Crocop deserves our upmost respect no matter how bad he does; the man has had an incredible life and I would definitely say he’s a role model for the T men out there.[/quote]

Good post.

Sometimes its easy to forget that although he hasn’t had loads of mma fights (quite a lot though), he has had a LOT of fights overall in MMA and K-1.

It’s just really disappointing that we haven’t seen the best Cro Cop in the UFC.

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I disagree with Higher Game.

Why Steroids? Some guys here overestimate the juice-factor. Ring agressivness doesn’t have to have something to do with T-Levels.
Was Crocop so much bigger as a Kickboxer? He weighed in at 220, which is totally OK. He seemed even more cut as usual. To me, he doesn’t seem to have lost much (if any) muscle, but please go ahead and prove me wrong.

That said, the last paragraph is accurate: The old Crocop is gone, perhaps. His biggest fights will be remembered.

What has changed: Instead of aggressively destroying the opponent, he did rather chase him unintelligently, totally focusing on his headkick. Kongo was everything but amazing, he won (rightfully) through being the more active guy, though none of his actions seemed a real threat for Crocop to me.

I was so upset after the fight I couldn’t fully appreciate Hendo’s title shot. Great bout- and I disagree with the judges who gave Jackson too many rounds.

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He looks completely mind fucked, and I think he no longer wants to be fighting. Too many fights too young. Mirko has stepped into the ring over a 100 times by age 33, I just thing he’s burned out on it all.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I disagree with Higher Game.

Why Steroids? Some guys here overestimate the juice-factor. Ring agressivness doesn’t have to have something to do with T-Levels.
Was Crocop so much bigger as a Kickboxer? He weighed in at 220, which is totally OK. He seemed even more cut as usual. To me, he doesn’t seem to have lost much (if any) muscle, but please go ahead and prove me wrong.

That said, the last paragraph is accurate: The old Crocop is gone, perhaps. His biggest fights will be remembered.

What has changed: Instead of aggressively destroying the opponent, he did rather chase him unintelligently, totally focusing on his headkick. Kongo was everything but amazing, he won (rightfully) through being the more active guy, though none of his actions seemed a real threat for Crocop to me.

I was so upset after the fight I couldn’t fully appreciate Hendo’s title shot. Great bout- and I disagree with the judges who gave Jackson too many rounds.

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I think it is less ring aggressivness than it is ability to train harder, recover faster etc.

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[quote]Donut62 wrote:
He looks completely mind fucked, and I think he no longer wants to be fighting. Too many fights too young. Mirko has stepped into the ring over a 100 times by age 33, I just thing he’s burned out on it all.[/quote]

Most people don’t understand “ring” age. Its just not about age. At 29, I’ve had people tell me its “too late” for me to think about actually fighting…but my “ring” age is still young. I’ve got a while before I burn out.

If Randy Couture had fought 100 fights,its very likely he would of retired a long time ago…and stayed retired(nothing against Randy). Also trying to adjust to the UFC could be the biggest factor for CroCop getting burnt out. Its hard as hell to re-train somebody’s fighting style that has worked for him in most of his 100 something fights. Thats a lot of pressure to train under at his “ring” age and could cause him to burn out also.

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[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
mr_slick wrote:
God,Im just depressed beyond words. Nobody remebered my B-day,Crocop might possibly quit fighting…Whats next? Igor croaking?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!![/quote]

Thanks dude,that means alot…but that doesnt change the fact that our Crocop is gone and is probally never coming back…

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
He looks completely mind fucked, and I think he no longer wants to be fighting. Too many fights too young. Mirko has stepped into the ring over a 100 times by age 33, I just thing he’s burned out on it all.

Most people don’t understand “ring” age. Its just not about age. At 29, I’ve had people tell me its “too late” for me to think about actually fighting…but my “ring” age is still young. I’ve got a while before I burn out.

If Randy Couture had fought 100 fights,its very likely he would of retired a long time ago…and stayed retired(nothing against Randy). Also trying to adjust to the UFC could be the biggest factor for CroCop getting burnt out. Its hard as hell to re-train somebody’s fighting style that has worked for him in most of his 100 something fights. Thats a lot of pressure to train under at his “ring” age and could cause him to burn out also.[/quote]

Completely agreed. He’s kind of like Yuki Kondo or Igor Vovchanchyn, great fighters in their time who peaked just before they had their chance to truly become mega-stars. Randy is 44 but he’s only fought 24 times, the fact is when he was Mirko’s age he hadn’t even stepped into the MMA ring yet.