Cressey also has long arms and a short torso. His deadlifts are going to resemble stiff leg dl’s more than someone with short arms and a long torso.
beef
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I would have been more impressed if he did it one handed.[/quote]
Always a smartass;)
Perhaps if Eric increased his protein to 1.9 grams/kb bodyweight from 1.7 and carefully checked his glute hamstring tie in to verify his bodyfat level, while really going for the mind muscle connection during his leg extension warmups, he could make sure his neurological firing patterns were up to the judges standards.
Eric needs to stop attacking heavy weights, go for the sinewy lower back development, and maybe use the smith machine more.
Amazing…
[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
DS 007 wrote:
this is the same attitude that has reduced united states (olympic) weightlifting - USAW - to little more than a joke internationally. the sport is filled, almost exclusively, with coaches who focus on FORM rather than on the task of developing the physical strength required to move loads on par with top lifters from china, greece, former soviet-bloc nations, iran, etc.
this change in philosophy began in the mid-70’s and USAW has never recovered.
i see this attitude at meet after meet after meet. a lifter will pop a big PR or even a winning lift, hell, i’ve even seen american record lifts inspire comments from coaches like, “sloppy” or “his form was BAD!” or “seemed a bit out front…” insane. in short: every coach now residing at the USOC should be FIRED. every one of them.
don’t let this attitude creep into powerlifting. you’ll never recover if you do. o-lifting and powerlifting have one thing in common: they have officials NOT judges.
they ensure that the lifts are completed within the parameters established by the existing rules. they don’t award style points or judge how technically sound the lift is. it ain’t figure skating folks. the guys who lift the most weight win.
you heard wrong…
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glenn pendlay is making a fair point, but the original poster also has a point. i recently watched part of the collegiate nationals broadcasted online through cstv and right now i am currently watching the european championships. lifts that got 3 red lights in the USA are getting 3 white lights internationally. we are overanalyzing technique. sure if its a press out in the jerk then its a not lift, but the FACT that an inch or less of movement in the elbow in the bottom position of a snatch warrants a no lift in the USA is absurd. the judges must figure since we dont have the strongest lifters we might as well be hardasses and make sure they have the best form. it is, without a doubt, a hindrance to olympic weightlifting in the usa.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
would you consider the deadlift on Cressey’s article to be considered good form. Yes the weight is great but our his hips and glutes firing properly?[/quote]
Yes and yes. This has already been stated but his lower back isn’t rounding.
I have my athletes max out on variations of squats and deadlifts because at some point, almost everyone’s form breaks down, which will help you determine their weak point.
Maxing out is the best way to determine if you need to stengthen your quadriceps, adductors/abductors, posterior chain or core strength.
If you never approach your 1RM and are overfocused on using “perfect form,” you might never pinpoint your weak link and you will fail to improve your strength over time, which is what powerlifting is all about.
[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
Cressey also has long arms and a short torso. His deadlifts are going to resemble stiff leg dl’s more than someone with short arms and a long torso.
beef
[/quote]
This is completely backwards. The longer your arms the less of a need there is to raise the hips and/or slump the shoulders to gain reach on the bar. Think about it, a gorilla (no offense, Eric) would hardly have to bend over at all in order to reach the bar. A long torso and short arms is the ideal combination for a shitty deadlift.
[quote]bretc wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
would you consider the deadlift on Cressey’s article to be considered good form. Yes the weight is great but our his hips and glutes firing properly?
Yes and yes. This has already been stated but his lower back isn’t rounding.
I have my athletes max out on variations of squats and deadlifts because at some point, almost everyone’s form breaks down, which will help you determine their weak point.
Maxing out is the best way to determine if you need to stengthen your quadriceps, adductors/abductors, posterior chain or core strength.
If you never approach your 1RM and are overfocused on using “perfect form,” you might never pinpoint your weak link and you will fail to improve your strength over time, which is what powerlifting is all about.[/quote]
You seem to contradict yourself. You begin by stating that Eric’s form was good, then talk about how form inevitably breaks down on max attempts, which allows you to identify weak points. I agree with everything in your post after you said, “Yes and yes.”
Maybe I need to rephrase what I’m saying:
Was Eric’s lift impressive?
Yes.
Was it respectable form for someone trying to move as much weight as possible at the lowest bodyweight possible?
Yes.
Would I consider this a shining example of textbook form that I’d show to the average gym rat?
No. This was the OP’s original question as I interpreted it and one that EC seemed to concede himself in an earlier post.
Have we all spent WAY too much time on this issue and, in so doing, arguably diverted attention away from the impressiveness of the accomplishment?
Yes.
Cressey’s form is quite simply poetry in motion.
It allows for maximum weight on the bar, is smooth and is extremely safe.
Would I use the same professional techniques in regular practice. Answer no,reasoning
1 I am not a competitive powerlifter
2 I have not practiced these advanced techniques
3 I would receive little or no additional physiological stimulation
[quote]BigRagoo wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I would have been more impressed if he did it one handed.
Always a smartass;)[/quote]
Someone has to be. I cannot believe anyone would expect perfect textbook form on a triple bodyweight lift!
He is not lifing pink dumbbells here.
This has got to be one of the stupidest threads on this site.
When do we get to start arguing about deadlift suits and other gear? I can’t wait.
[quote]eic wrote:
beefcakemdphd wrote:
Cressey also has long arms and a short torso. His deadlifts are going to resemble stiff leg dl’s more than someone with short arms and a long torso.
beef
This is completely backwards. The longer your arms the less of a need there is to raise the hips and/or slump the shoulders to gain reach on the bar. Think about it, a gorilla (no offense, Eric) would hardly have to bend over at all in order to reach the bar. A long torso and short arms is the ideal combination for a shitty deadlift. [/quote]
No. It’s not.
I assume you’re suggesting he bends at the knees and not the hips in that case??
[quote]malonetd wrote:
This has got to be one of the stupidest threads on this site.
When do we get to start arguing about deadlift suits and other gear? I can’t wait.[/quote]
I am surprised no one brought ths up earlier.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
malonetd wrote:
This has got to be one of the stupidest threads on this site.
When do we get to start arguing about deadlift suits and other gear? I can’t wait.
I am surprised no one brought ths up earlier. [/quote]
ditto that
[quote]eic wrote:
bretc wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
would you consider the deadlift on Cressey’s article to be considered good form. Yes the weight is great but our his hips and glutes firing properly?
Yes and yes. This has already been stated but his lower back isn’t rounding.
I have my athletes max out on variations of squats and deadlifts because at some point, almost everyone’s form breaks down, which will help you determine their weak point.
Maxing out is the best way to determine if you need to stengthen your quadriceps, adductors/abductors, posterior chain or core strength.
If you never approach your 1RM and are overfocused on using “perfect form,” you might never pinpoint your weak link and you will fail to improve your strength over time, which is what powerlifting is all about.
You seem to contradict yourself. You begin by stating that Eric’s form was good, then talk about how form inevitably breaks down on max attempts, which allows you to identify weak points. I agree with everything in your post after you said, “Yes and yes.”
Maybe I need to rephrase what I’m saying:
Was Eric’s lift impressive?
Yes.
Was it respectable form for someone trying to move as much weight as possible at the lowest bodyweight possible?
Yes.
Would I consider this a shining example of textbook form that I’d show to the average gym rat?
No. This was the OP’s original question as I interpreted it and one that EC seemed to concede himself in an earlier post.
Have we all spent WAY too much time on this issue and, in so doing, arguably diverted attention away from the impressiveness of the accomplishment?
Yes. [/quote]
I understand your point completely.
One of the OP’s questions was asking if Eric’s glutes were firing properly. They are. Because Eric’s form doesn’t break down much, it’s hard to determine his weak link.
He didn’t slump over and round his low back (weak glutes and hammies), he didn’t start shaking excessively (weak core) and he didn’t start hitching or slowing down with his lockout(weak glutes). I see these insufficiencies all the time with beginning lifters.
There is perfect form and then there is maxing out. I was just trying to convince the OP that there is a good reason to go super heavy every once in a while and possibly allow your form to break down to some degree in order to pinpoint your weaknesses.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
No. It’s not.
I assume you’re suggesting he bends at the knees and not the hips in that case??
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Ideally you’d bend at both. I guess all I’m saying is that someone with longer arms and a short torso can keep a flat back with more ease than someone with short arms. Whereas short limbs are an advantage in squatting or benching, they are definitely not an advantage in deadlifting.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BigRagoo wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I would have been more impressed if he did it one handed.
Always a smartass;)
Someone has to be. I cannot believe anyone would expect perfect textbook form on a triple bodyweight lift!
He is not lifing pink dumbbells here.[/quote]
Haha, which is why I’m keeping quiet. Watching that humbled me.
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
would you consider the deadlift on Cressey’s article to be considered good form. Yes the weight is great but our his hips and glutes firing properly?[/quote]
Yes, I would consider it good form. You’re really going to tell one of the best 165 lb pullers that their form is off? Especially when that 165lber has a degree in biomechanics and exercise physiology and has been one of the foremost promoters of hip, glute, and thoracic function and alignment? I’m not.
You guys crack me up. Hundreds of posts on a stupid topic - I’ll add one more. Eric knows what he’s doing. I thought guys I saw in the gym were strong - then I started training with him and began to understand what real, functional strength is all about.
I’m so glad I’m getting an education from Mr. Cressey and not wasting my time (and energy) in a commercial gym. I wish more of you had the opportunity - you’d be too busy lifting heavy stuff to engage in this B.S.
Well, back to foam rolling.
[quote]UConnMike wrote:
You guys crack me up. Hundreds of posts on a stupid topic - I’ll add one more. Eric knows what he’s doing. I thought guys I saw in the gym were strong - then I started training with him and began to understand what real, functional strength is all about.
I’m so glad I’m getting an education from Mr. Cressey and not wasting my time (and energy) in a commercial gym. I wish more of you had the opportunity - you’d be too busy lifting heavy stuff to engage in this B.S.
Well, back to foam rolling.[/quote]
So true, Eric is just fine.
EIC,
a gorilla has short legs in addition to long arms. Cressey has short torso + long arms and legs. You are correct in saying that a longs limbs + a short torso is an advantage versus having a long torso + short limbs.
However, individuals built like so look like they are bent over more. The advantage is in the short lever arm (torso). I will try to find a video or picture to illustrate what I mean.
beef