EC,
A few days ago you said that you used EDT for you accesory exercises in you last cycle. Could you give an example of how you incorprated it into the res of the workout (like did you do it for all the accesory work, or just a couple exercises)?
Thanks
Makes me wonder if your mindset might be part of the problem. If you go into the gym expecting to get injured, chances are that you’re going to get injured. Kind of like being a training hypochondriac, if you get what I mean. Just a thought; be positive!
[quote]savo wrote:
Brilliant.
Thanks for your help.
I’ll try all the stretches tonight.
I’m unconvinced as to whether my back is capable of doing proper deadlifts.
Every single time I’ve injured it, I’ve had bent legs and have been leaning forward to rack the weight (good mornings) or place it back on the floor (deadlifts).
Considering most 180lb men wouldn’t even waste their time warming up with only 70kgs, I think it’s an injury waiting to happen (again).[/quote]
Actually, it wasn’t anything special; I just did it for some direct arm work.
My AC joint has been giving me trouble this training cycle, and my bench benefit from a little extra size on my forearms and biceps. Basically, it allowed me to get a good training effect relative to one of my needs without doing anything that was going to upset my AC joint. It was basically just a 15-minute PR zone with an extension or pressdown alternated with some form of curl. I did it for six of the 12 weeks.
My other assistance work was more “normal.”
[quote]buckeye75 wrote:
EC,
A few days ago you said that you used EDT for you accesory exercises in you last cycle. Could you give an example of how you incorprated it into the res of the workout (like did you do it for all the accesory work, or just a couple exercises)?
Thanks[/quote]
Okay, I’m out for a few days for academic quarantine. I’ll be on Monday night, so feel free to keep posting questions and I’ll get to them ASAP. Hopefully, I’ll get a few spare minutes this weekend, too. 
Hey Eric I’m curious if you have any contacts or recommendations of someone in North Carolina to help me with my shoulder. If not a performance coach a recommendation of a quality sports minded chiropractor or physical therapist would be tremendously helpful. I’d love to work with you, but the commute would be killer:) Thanks for all your help
[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Makes me wonder if your mindset might be part of the problem. If you go into the gym expecting to get injured, chances are that you’re going to get injured. Kind of like being a training hypochondriac, if you get what I mean. Just a thought; be positive!
[/quote]
I wish it were this simple
Unfortunately, the last two back injuries (numbers 9 & 10) both came after a good period of gradually increasing deadlift weights.
I did have a slipped disc about 10 years ago which may play some part in the injuries.
I think I’ll leave deadlifts, romanian deadlifts and squats out of my routine until I can get an expert to look at my back - it’s not worth another injury.
There are actually two great guys on this forum:
ckeller14
Geoff Neupert
I’m not sure how close you are to them, but it’s worth a shot.
[quote]matticus wrote:
Hey Eric I’m curious if you have any contacts or recommendations of someone in North Carolina to help me with my shoulder. If not a performance coach a recommendation of a quality sports minded chiropractor or physical therapist would be tremendously helpful. I’d love to work with you, but the commute would be killer:) Thanks for all your help
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Eric,
Need an informed opinion here. A kid I know (17 years old) has dislocated his shoulder fairly seriously. He’s been to four different doctors, and they all agree that it was dislocated (it’s back in now). However, all four have recommended differing treatments: rehab only, operation whenever, OPERATE NOW OR DIE, and laser treatment with (gaining strength - not sure of translation. Probably rehab).
Basically want to know two things -
1. For people who do dislocate their shoulder, do they find that they eventually need the operation? His talking to friends and acquaintances seems to be saying yes.
2. And more to the point, after said operation, realistically what’s he looking at regarding full, “elite level” use of the shoulder? He does martial arts and wants to become a fireman in the future so full functionality would be rather handy, especially in passing the initial physical tests for firemen here. The Spanners love to fail people in entrance exams.
Not trying to be an e-Doctor here, just supply a lot more quality and impartial information, especially from our T-Nation “You Should Be Able To Do More Than Sit On A Couch” mentality. While I’m sure the doctors and everyone know their stuff, I’m also certain they’re working to fix an average person, which he certainly is not. I simply want to arm him and point him the right direction.
Thanks.
I’ll be on tonight for three hours; anybody got some good stuff to keep me busy?
And, for those who are interested, I’m absolutely dominating in my fantasy football match-up this week with Marvin Harrison still to go tonight.
Hey Eric,
Quick question. How do you feel about a slight bounce at the bottom of a squat-specifically a high bar, narrow stance squat to full depth?
As a side note, my shoulders are both feeling better after a few weeks of rowing and external rotation, so thank you. Not 100%, but better. I’ll send you an email in a couple of weeks with a better progress report.
Thanks and take
Collin
Congrats on your football league thingy wotsit. Bump to my question right above your post.
Incidentally, you gave me some advice a while back about getting into deadlift depth - it worked, thanks!
[quote]flynniec6 wrote:
Basically want to know two things -
1. For people who do dislocate their shoulder, do they find that they eventually need the operation? His talking to friends and acquaintances seems to be saying yes.[/quote]
Assuming you’re talking about AC joint separations, it depends on the degree of the separation. Grades 1 and 2 are conservative treatment, grade 3 may need surgery, grades 4 and 6 requires closed reduction and possibly surgery, and grade 5 is a definite surgery. Grade 3 separations are definitely the most debated issue.
It’s my understanding that 85-90% of patients regain full ROM and non-restricted activity - usually within six months. I just did a little research for you, and Rockwood (1996) found that 90% of patients were satisfied with their outcomes regardless of treatment modality. Basically, conservative and surgery can both be effective.
[quote]CollinAshmore wrote:
Hey Eric,
Quick question. How do you feel about a slight bounce at the bottom of a squat-specifically a high bar, narrow stance squat to full depth?[/quote]
Well, I guess it depends on how significant “slight” is. Olympic lifters can get away with it, but that’s not to say that the Average Joe is prepared to as well. A little bounce won’t hurt you; that’s just the SSC working to help you out. Go too far with the bounce and you could be in for some problems, though.
[quote]As a side note, my shoulders are both feeling better after a few weeks of rowing and external rotation, so thank you. Not 100%, but better. I’ll send you an email in a couple of weeks with a better progress report.
[/quote]
Good stuff; glad to hear it.
What’s up, EC? Hope you are enjoying your newfound festival of pain at Southside.
I just started up the Westside template as of yesterday and plan on giving it a run for a good long while. Had a quick question for you on form for good mornings. Essentially, how far forward and I am looking for my torso to come? Should I be going to parallel? Also, is the focus in the lift more sticking your ass out vs. bending at the waist?
As always, your comments, tips, pointers and general joie de vivre appreciated.
Kuz
Eric,
Pop quiz, hot shot!
You need to complete a leg workout. You have no weights, and you can’t do a pistol past a toilet seat.
What do you do? What do you do?
Hey Kuz,
It really depends on who you ask. Personally, in light of how many lower back injuries I’ve helped to rehab (including a herniated disc of my own) and what I’ve ready from McGill, I’ll never recommend GMs with lumbar flexion (rounded back, in other words). Basically, I just encourage people to go as far as their flexibility allows without rounding. I can get to parallel, but a lot of people can only get to within 15-20 degrees. No big deal; a lot of the time, you’re doing GMs to improve your squat and deadlift, and neither of those movements require the torso to be parallel to the floor.
We’ll also do arched back GMs, which don’t even approach the horizontal torso position, but still offer a good training effect.
So, basically, push your butt back, keep a slight bend in the knees, and focus on keeping your head and chest up as you pull the bar down into your upper back. You’ll know when you’ve hit end-ROM.
Pick a Sunday morning and come down for a DE squat session. Friday nights are good for benching, too; just say the word and we’ll take care of you.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
What’s up, EC? Hope you are enjoying your newfound festival of pain at Southside.
I just started up the Westside template as of yesterday and plan on giving it a run for a good long while. Had a quick question for you on form for good mornings. Essentially, how far forward and I am looking for my torso to come? Should I be going to parallel? Also, is the focus in the lift more sticking your ass out vs. bending at the waist?
As always, your comments, tips, pointers and general joie de vivre appreciated.
Kuz[/quote]
Split squat iso holds the way they were meant to be done (maximally contracting the glutes, hams, and quad throughout the duration of the movement). I’ve seen athletes literally collapse when they do this right for the first time.
Natural GHRs and one-leg back extensions come to mind. You can do assisted pistols in a doorway or with a band as well. I’d definitely include some dynamic flexibility, too (everyone needs this).
[quote]general_lfl wrote:
Eric,
Pop quiz, hot shot!
You need to complete a leg workout. You have no weights, and you can’t do a pistol past a toilet seat.
What do you do? What do you do?[/quote]
[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Hey Kuz,
It really depends on who you ask. Personally, in light of how many lower back injuries I’ve helped to rehab (including a herniated disc of my own) and what I’ve ready from McGill, I’ll never recommend GMs with lumbar flexion (rounded back, in other words). Basically, I just encourage people to go as far as their flexibility allows without rounding. I can get to parallel, but a lot of people can only get to within 15-20 degrees. No big deal; a lot of the time, you’re doing GMs to improve your squat and deadlift, and neither of those movements require the torso to be parallel to the floor.
We’ll also do arched back GMs, which don’t even approach the horizontal torso position, but still offer a good training effect.
So, basically, push your butt back, keep a slight bend in the knees, and focus on keeping your head and chest up as you pull the bar down into your upper back. You’ll know when you’ve hit end-ROM.
Pick a Sunday morning and come down for a DE squat session. Friday nights are good for benching, too; just say the word and we’ll take care of you.
Kuz wrote:
What’s up, EC? Hope you are enjoying your newfound festival of pain at Southside.
I just started up the Westside template as of yesterday and plan on giving it a run for a good long while. Had a quick question for you on form for good mornings. Essentially, how far forward and I am looking for my torso to come? Should I be going to parallel? Also, is the focus in the lift more sticking your ass out vs. bending at the waist?
As always, your comments, tips, pointers and general joie de vivre appreciated.
Kuz
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Excellent. Thanks for the tips! It sounds like I am doing it right. I just did them heavy for the first time today and was surprised at the amount of weight I could do. Basically hit the form as you described - good back arch, slight bend at the knees and not really to parallel, but felt like they fried my hamstrings nonetheless.
I am absolutely taking you up on coming down to train at Southside. I am off of work all this week, so maybe even this weekend. I’ll shoot ya an e-mail.
Kuz
EC your thoughts on Jay Schober’s training methods and more importantly his Adam Areculate training video? Have you seen it?
Eric,
What is a split squat iso hold? What set/rep scheme would you recommend?