[quote]yolo84 wrote:
As i have already said, it is indisputable that the vast majority of people who follow BB do not do step ups.[/quote]
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
[quote]MickyGee wrote:
Why the fuck are body weight pistols and weighted step-ups still being compared? [/quote]
Yolo - you should really answer this question.
You would have to be ignorant of those exercises to compare them, in which case anything you say about them is worthless.
FWIW to those using them for quads, unless you are rehabbing they will not build much. Maybe the effect of a quarter squat. On the other hand they are pretty intense for the glutes and hamstrings. For knee high it takes a hell of a lot of strength to go straight up without moving the knee over the toes, exploding off the back foot, or bending at the hip. It can be done though. If you are rehabbing an injury and patiently build up to that strength from short heights your knees will feel 10x better. IMO most PT’s incorrectly prescribe these to people who can’t do them. If you don’t have knee injuries it’s still a great exercise you just will have to use more weight and it probably helps to do them more explosively.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
As i have already said, it is indisputable that the vast majority of people who follow BB do not do step ups.[/quote]
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
[quote]MickyGee wrote:
Why the fuck are body weight pistols and weighted step-ups still being compared? [/quote]
Yolo - you should really answer this question.
You would have to be ignorant of those exercises to compare them, in which case anything you say about them is worthless.
FWIW to those using them for quads, unless you are rehabbing they will not build much. Maybe the effect of a quarter squat. On the other hand they are pretty intense for the glutes and hamstrings. For knee high it takes a hell of a lot of strength to go straight up without moving the knee over the toes, exploding off the back foot, or bending at the hip. It can be done though. If you are rehabbing an injury and patiently build up to that strength from short heights your knees will feel 10x better. IMO most PT’s incorrectly prescribe these to people who can’t do them. If you don’t have knee injuries it’s still a great exercise you just will have to use more weight and it probably helps to do them more explosively.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
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Go and find the ton of evidence which proves me wrong then cos I take it you easily can.
The BW pistol squats and Step Up comparison was because OP made a similar thread about pistol squats to this one.
you flap your gums so much on these forums, but yet I have not seen any photos of your MASSIVE physique.
Put up or shut up. I am sick of seeing you make stupid fucking judgements with NOTHING to back it. [/quote]
Stupid judgments?
You mean, like ignoring someone’s beginner status and recommending a movement you would need to be moving significant weight on as well as have experienced body mechanics to see the benefit of great hypertrophy on a bodybuilding forum?
Wait…how many of you are doing weighted step ups and have HUGE quads because of it or can list the benefit seen directly from it?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
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Go and find the ton of evidence which proves me wrong then cos I take it you easily can.
The BW pistol squats and Step Up comparison was because OP made a similar thread about pistol squats to this one. [/quote]
This is really the basis of the problem people have with the OP (whose posts I can’t actually see since I’m ignoring him). The pistol squat thread was ridiculous and hypothetical, his “only train muscles you can’t see” thread was similar, and now this. It’s anybody’s guess if he’s even doing step-ups, or just wants to ask questions about them, since he’s admitted that he doesn’t do all the things he’s asking about in his threads. OP doesn’t give a shit about actually working out. It sounds like he wants to write a revolutionary fitness book to change the world, without ever setting foot in a gym. I don’t think this thread would have gotten the response it has if alternate didn’t have this track record.
OP also said he can’t find pants that fit because pistol squats made his legs too big.
you flap your gums so much on these forums, but yet I have not seen any photos of your MASSIVE physique.
Put up or shut up. I am sick of seeing you make stupid fucking judgements with NOTHING to back it. [/quote]
I have NEVER claimed to have a MASSIVE physique so wtf you talking about?
Absolutely nowhere have I made “stupid fucking judgements” they are all based on facts and experience and EVIDENCE you idiot.
Go and post up dozens of videos of BB’s doing step ups and prove me wrong. What’s that? Exactly, YOU CAN’T. The reason is they are shit for BB in comparison to the other half dozen PROVEN lower body exercises.
In which case, why the fuck would a BEGINNER worry about his knee alignment on such a shit exercise when he would be better served doing STANDARD stuff. I am being HELPFUL by telling him this, and not just posting insulting shit like you are, you moron.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
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Go and find the ton of evidence which proves me wrong then cos I take it you easily can.
The BW pistol squats and Step Up comparison was because OP made a similar thread about pistol squats to this one. [/quote]
This is really the basis of the problem people have with the OP (whose posts I can’t actually see since I’m ignoring him). The pistol squat thread was ridiculous and hypothetical, his “only train muscles you can’t see” thread was similar, and now this. It’s anybody’s guess if he’s even doing step-ups, or just wants to ask questions about them, since he’s admitted that he doesn’t do all the things he’s asking about in his threads. OP doesn’t give a shit about actually working out. It sounds like he wants to write a revolutionary fitness book to change the world, without ever setting foot in a gym. I don’t think this thread would have gotten the response it has if alternate didn’t have this track record.
OP also said he can’t find pants that fit because pistol squats made his legs too big.[/quote]
i feel like its not hard at all to outgrow the skinny cut trend in merica these days :,/
you flap your gums so much on these forums, but yet I have not seen any photos of your MASSIVE physique.
Put up or shut up. I am sick of seeing you make stupid fucking judgements with NOTHING to back it. [/quote]
I have NEVER claimed to have a MASSIVE physique so wtf you talking about?
Absolutely nowhere have I made “stupid fucking judgements” they are all based on facts and experience and EVIDENCE you idiot.
Go and post up dozens of videos of BB’s doing step ups and prove me wrong. What’s that? Exactly, YOU CAN’T. The reason is they are shit for BB in comparison to the other half dozen PROVEN lower body exercises.
In which case, why the fuck would a BEGINNER worry about his knee alignment on such a shit exercise when he would be better served doing STANDARD stuff. I am being HELPFUL by telling him this, and not just posting insulting shit like you are, you moron.[/quote]
Lol. Maybe I shouldn’t be laughing, but that reaction was awesome.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
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Go and find the ton of evidence which proves me wrong then cos I take it you easily can.
The BW pistol squats and Step Up comparison was because OP made a similar thread about pistol squats to this one. [/quote]
This is really the basis of the problem people have with the OP (whose posts I can’t actually see since I’m ignoring him). The pistol squat thread was ridiculous and hypothetical, his “only train muscles you can’t see” thread was similar, and now this. It’s anybody’s guess if he’s even doing step-ups, or just wants to ask questions about them, since he’s admitted that he doesn’t do all the things he’s asking about in his threads. OP doesn’t give a shit about actually working out. It sounds like he wants to write a revolutionary fitness book to change the world, without ever setting foot in a gym. I don’t think this thread would have gotten the response it has if alternate didn’t have this track record.
OP also said he can’t find pants that fit because pistol squats made his legs too big.[/quote]
i feel like its not hard at all to outgrow the skinny cut trend in merica these days :,/
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I can’t wear skinny jeans, and I assume most of the guys on here can’t either. I pretty much can’t waer any jeans from places like H&M. But there are plenty of brands that still make jeans with thighs that are cut loose. You would have to be in the 30" range to truly have trouble finding jeans that you could wear. And if your thighs are that big, there’s a good chance you’re the running back for the Jacksonville Jaguars, and can afford to have your jeans made for you.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Complete and utter bullshit. YOU and PX don’t do step ups, that does not qualify as BBers don’t do step ups. YOU are not every bodybuilder in the world.
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Go and find the ton of evidence which proves me wrong then cos I take it you easily can.
The BW pistol squats and Step Up comparison was because OP made a similar thread about pistol squats to this one. [/quote]
This is really the basis of the problem people have with the OP (whose posts I can’t actually see since I’m ignoring him). The pistol squat thread was ridiculous and hypothetical, his “only train muscles you can’t see” thread was similar, and now this. It’s anybody’s guess if he’s even doing step-ups, or just wants to ask questions about them, since he’s admitted that he doesn’t do all the things he’s asking about in his threads. OP doesn’t give a shit about actually working out. It sounds like he wants to write a revolutionary fitness book to change the world, without ever setting foot in a gym. I don’t think this thread would have gotten the response it has if alternate didn’t have this track record.
OP also said he can’t find pants that fit because pistol squats made his legs too big.[/quote]
i feel like its not hard at all to outgrow the skinny cut trend in merica these days :,/
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I can’t wear skinny jeans, and I assume most of the guys on here can’t either. I pretty much can’t waer any jeans from places like H&M. But there are plenty of brands that still make jeans with thighs that are cut loose. You would have to be in the 30" range to truly have trouble finding jeans that you could wear. And if your thighs are that big, there’s a good chance you’re the running back for the Jacksonville Jaguars, and can afford to have your jeans made for you.[/quote]
i buy relaxed/loose cut jeans, im a 36 waist but i buy 38’s and the legs/ass are still skin tight but the waist is super loose.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
This thread has been posted by a complete beginner, chances are he should not be doing step ups for lower body hypertrophy as loading and progression are difficult and ROM is very poor.[/quote]
Given his lower back injury… i.e., no more spinal loading for the rest of his life… what would you recommend instead?[/quote]
Leg Press
Unilateral Leg Press
Leg Extensions
Leg Curls
If he is looking for bodybuilding hypertrophy, he should do standard bodybuilding hypertrophy exercises like everyone else does. Based on this and other threads he is far too concerned with mental masturbation than actual lifting. All of the theory and hypotheticals should be replaced with actual lifting, especially as a total beginner and not some elite level guy searching for the extra 1%.[/quote]
Great post. Getting to the heart of the matter beats discussing hypothetical scenarios all day just so there is more to argue about.[/quote]
leg presses have already been mentioned as no good for many with back injuries…why do you keep ignoring this?
Lunges
Split squats
one legged leg press maybe
extension
curls
that would be better. [/quote]
I have herniated my lower back twice during back squats so I don’t do them anymore but I still keep leg press and front squats just fine, the thing with leg press is that I do a lot of volume with moderate weight and don’t lower the weight so low that my butt comes off the seat.
[quote]bignate wrote:
i buy relaxed/loose cut jeans, im a 36 waist but i buy 38’s and the legs/ass are still skin tight but the waist is super loose.
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[quote]bignate wrote:
i buy relaxed/loose cut jeans, im a 36 waist but i buy 38’s and the legs/ass are still skin tight but the waist is super loose.
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Same measurements and same problem with me lol
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You try to kill every debate, claiming it’s useless ‘mental masturbation.’ You try to act like you’re the authority on what is a BB exercise and what isn’t. You claim that people need to earn their curiosity by being big, when the people that need to be the most curious are those who need to work around injuries or abnormal body structure. And who cares who YOU think deserves to ask questions or not anyway?
What do you think is the point of there being a tnation forum? What is the point of tnation articles? Every single piece of advice and every single article would just be: squat, deadlift, bench. Those three words could just as well be the answer to EVERY question in strength training.
Do you tell Ben Bruno (who is full of good ideas and has built his physique using ‘unconventional’ exercises) what a mentally masturbating retard he is at every opportunity?
Yeh, my ‘wheels’ are not massive, but what muscle is on there is entirely attributable to bodyweight pistol squatting. If pistols can build some muscle, they are not a BB exercise?
You, apparently have not even posted a pic. Normally I wouldn’t even care about this because I try to find fault with the argument, not the man, but since you try to speak as an authority on a bunch of different things, you need to show us why we should give you the respect you seem to think you deserve.
you flap your gums so much on these forums, but yet I have not seen any photos of your MASSIVE physique.
Put up or shut up. I am sick of seeing you make stupid fucking judgements with NOTHING to back it. [/quote]
Stupid judgments?
You mean, like ignoring someone’s beginner status and recommending a movement you would need to be moving significant weight on as well as have experienced body mechanics to see the benefit of great hypertrophy on a bodybuilding forum?
Wait…how many of you are doing weighted step ups and have HUGE quads because of it or can list the benefit seen directly from it?[/quote]
When I was training for football (basically back squat, power clean, bench) we did step ups as a accessory lift and I don’t think I would have ever had a 550 lb max on back squat if I didn’t have them. If you do them explosively they really teach you how to gun it out of the hole while squatting. Never measured my thighs back then but they were big. Sadly back squat, step ups, and vertamax for 4 years really developed a turnip shaped thigh on my body. I had huge upper legs, hips and ass with almost no lower or middle quad muscle in comparison. I’m still trying to even out this difference even after a two year break where my legs got back towards a more normal proportion. 25" quads cold relaxed atm
[quote]alternate wrote:
you need to show us why we should give you the respect you seem to think you deserve.[/quote]
Stop making out I am painting myself as the Oracle of Bodybuilding.
I am not saying anything controversial. I am stating an EXTREMELY popular and commonly held viewpoint. My evidence is that I have never heard of a BBer doing weight steps ups for hypertrophy. NEVER. If you oh wise one can prove me wrong, please post the EVIDENCE.
Most of the posts disagreeing with me in this thread are doing so PURELY just to argue, not to actually be constructive.
I will put you on ignore, so I no longer have to read all of your masturbation threads.
[quote]alternate wrote:
yolo, even I have posted a pic.
Yeh, my ‘wheels’ are not massive, but what muscle is on there is entirely attributable to bodyweight pistol squatting. If pistols can build some muscle, they are not a BB exercise?
You, apparently have not even posted a pic. Normally I wouldn’t even care about this because I try to find fault with the argument, not the man, but since you try to speak as an authority on a bunch of different things, you need to show us why we should give you the respect you seem to think you deserve.[/quote]
You are right being sarcastic, and bitter is the right way to teach a beginner if step-ups are good or not. You and Professor X should have a fucking pity party back in the “golden age” of bodybuilding. Since you guys know it all, and have COMPETED (wait, what?) I would say that you do not even need to post here anymore because your sponsors are taking care of your MASSIVE MASSIVE legs.
You side stepped the message of my post, for someone with such a vast knowledge of EXPERIENCE, and EVIDENCE you sure have not backed it up. AT ALL.
As for my opinion on step-ups in building the quads… They did nothing to help me. But they might help you, GIVE THEM A SHOT FOR A COUPLE MONTHS AND DEEM FOR YOURSELF IF THEY ARE A WORTHWHILE MOVEMENT.
As for my physique, it is shitty. Difference between you and I… I know it is, and work on it. While you and X seem to think you are already top level. Humble yourself bitch, quit thinking you know everything.
but the waist is super loose.